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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q15,90

Reversedragon — Fri, 07 Aug 2026 00:33:01 GMT

Yang Yuzhe

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	== Main entry ==		== Main entry ==
	{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean ~~field_ML~~">		{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}"><!-- active: field_horror -->
	<!-- ~~{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/LR\|tradition=\|Q=46,91\|Q2=4691}}~~ -->

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" value~~="1590~~"><cite>~~The Taming of the Shrew~~</cite>~~ (c. 1590) -> Shakespeare play. comedy. notable for "abstract amoral world containing blatant misogyny" structure. trying to explain Dragon Ball made me remember it because I swear this is at least two characters' character arcs		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=15,90\|Q2=1590}}{{book\|The Taming of the Shrew}} (c. 1590) -> Shakespeare play. comedy. notable for "abstract amoral world containing blatant misogyny" structure. trying to explain Dragon Ball made me remember it because I swear this is at least two characters' character arcs

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

	== Related ==		== Related ==
	<ol class="hue clean ~~field_ML~~">		<ol class="hue clean {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}">

	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}}) -> so, I opened up this page to copy from just because it was a page I'd been editing recently, but... honestly you can make an argument he counts as a historical figure that got ""shrewed"".		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/DFy\|Q=12,1,18\|Q2=12118}}{{book\|Chouette}} (2021) / ({{9k\|RD/Q12,1,18}}) -> theme appears in this book.

			{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}}) -> so, I opened up this page to copy from just because it was a page I'd been editing recently, but... honestly you can make an argument he counts as a historical figure that got ""shrewed"".

			{{li\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Yang Yuzhe ([[EC:9k/RD/Q70,92\|Ironblood setting]]) -> fictional violet-Marxist theorist who I explain in my notes was {{em\|very}} inspired by {{book\|The Taming of the Shrew}} and the theme of whether Trotskyists have been unfairly 'shrewed'.

	{{li\|I=Z1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}César Millán / Cesar Millan (no accent marks) -> has been accused of "shrewing" dogs.		{{li\|I=Z1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}César Millán / Cesar Millan (no accent marks) -> has been accused of "shrewing" dogs.
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	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==
	<ol class="hue clean terse ~~field_ML~~">		<ol class="hue clean terse {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}">
	{{li\|start=y		{{li\|start=y
	\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|HAS\|Hass}} / literature		\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|HAS\|Hass}} / literature
			{{li\|I=Z1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|HAS\|Hass}} / Shakespeare plays
			{{li\|I=S1/Fy \|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|Fy\|Fiction}} / comedy (classical literature)
			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|Fy\|Fiction}} / dark comedy
	</li></ol>		</li></ol>
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Reversedragon — Fri, 07 Aug 2026 00:12:02 GMT

classname

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q15,90

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 23:56:25 GMT

Nikolai Bukharin, César Millán

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	== Related ==		== Related ==
	~~<!--~~
	<ol class="hue clean field_ML">		<ol class="hue clean field_ML">
	</li></ol~~> --~~>
			{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}}) -> so, I opened up this page to copy from just because it was a page I'd been editing recently, but... honestly you can make an argument he counts as a historical figure that got ""shrewed"".

			{{li\|I=Z1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}César Millán / Cesar Millan (no accent marks) -> has been accused of "shrewing" dogs.

			</li></ol>

	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q1590

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 23:55:52 GMT

Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q1590 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q15,90 Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

New page

{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=Taming of the Shrew|E=1590|User=RD|Contents=y}}
== Main entry ==
{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean field_ML">


</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="1590"><cite>The Taming of the Shrew</cite> (c. 1590) -> Shakespeare play. comedy. notable for "abstract amoral world containing blatant misogyny" structure. trying to explain Dragon Ball made me remember it because I swear this is at least two characters' character arcs

</li></ol>

== Related ==


== Ideologies or fields ==
<ol class="hue clean terse field_ML">
{{li|start=y
|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|HAS|Hass}} / literature
</li></ol>


== Subpages or related scraps ==


[[Category:Next nine thousand (RD)]]

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q1590

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 23:55:38 GMT

copy markup from Q49,57

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Research:Main Page

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 23:16:31 GMT

title / proofread / "Recent Changes page" fixed

Research:MDem/5.4r/0999 north-letter

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 11:46:31 GMT

intro; networkism / proofread

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User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/proposed-4

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 03:54:28 GMT

Power in the hands of Stalinists does not immediately create a workers' state

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	<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean reset">		<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean reset">

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Power in the hands of Stalinists does not immediately create a workers' state (Cannon) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/cannon/works/1955/chinese-revolution.htm] -> interesting. my main objection to that is a very superficial objection of, {{i\|well what do we call it then??}} I honestly just default to 'Marxism' and 'workers' state' because I don't know of better words to use. now that Deng Xiaoping has existed I guess we can strictly distinguish some countries from Bolshevism by calling them Dengisms. I just don't know if that covers every case of a strawberry Marxism / semi-benign fake Marxism.

	{{li\|I=Z1/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Art as the Cognition of Life}} (Aleksandr Voronsky) [https://mehring.com/product/art-as-the-cognition-of-life/] -> this book was apparently published in a censored form because it had too much Trotskyism in it even for the Khruschevites. you know it has to be a really interesting book if the revisionist Marxists can't stand it		{{li\|I=Z1/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Art as the Cognition of Life}} (Aleksandr Voronsky) [https://mehring.com/product/art-as-the-cognition-of-life/] -> this book was apparently published in a censored form because it had too much Trotskyism in it even for the Khruschevites. you know it has to be a really interesting book if the revisionist Marxists can't stand it

Template:CharaUndertale

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:36:59 GMT

additional templates

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	=== Deltarune ===		=== Deltarune ===
	~~<!--~~
	Welcome to {{AngelDeltarune\|caps=y}}Town!		Welcome to {{AngelDeltarune\|caps=y}}Town!
	~~-->~~
	~~Welcome to <del class="thingamabob caps player-name-utdr player-name-deltarune" title="name player enters in Deltarune / The Angel"><span class="default">Angel</span></del>Town!~~

	=== Auldernet (Deltarune AU by RD) ===		=== Auldernet (Deltarune AU by RD) ===
	~~<!--~~
	You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of {{UnterbergAuldernet}} themself.		You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of {{UnterbergAuldernet}} themself.
	~~-->~~
	You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of <del class="thingamabob player-name-utdr player-name-auldernet" title="name player enters in Auldernet if it were hypothetically a game"><span class="default">Unterberg</span></del> themself.

	== Description ==		== Description ==

Template:AngelDeltarune

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:33:41 GMT

typo

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	<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps\|}}}\|caps}} player-name-utdr player-name-deltarune" title=name player enters in Deltarune / The Angel"><span class="default">~~Chara~~</span></del></onlyinclude></includeonly><!--		<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps\|}}}\|caps}} player-name-utdr player-name-deltarune" title="name player enters in Deltarune / The Angel"><span class="default">Angel</span></del></onlyinclude></includeonly><!--
	-->		-->
	== Demo ==		== Demo ==
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	== Description ==		== Description ==

	This is a gimmick template to actually turn the player name in ~~Undertale~~ into a "mad lib" where the user can customize the name. To edit the name, you'll need [[MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css\|a user stylesheet that looks something like the one below]]: <small>(You can click that link to install one)</small>		This is a gimmick template to actually turn the player name in Deltarune into a "mad lib" where the user can customize the name. To edit the name, you'll need [[MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css\|a user stylesheet that looks something like the one below]]: <small>(You can click that link to install one)</small>

	<pre>.player-name-~~undertale~~:after {		<pre>.player-name-deltarune:after {
	content: "PlayerNameHere";		content: "PlayerNameHere";
	}</pre>		}</pre>


	[[Category:Templates for markup]] {{ArticleTitle\|NoContents=y}}		[[Category:Templates for markup]] {{ArticleTitle\|NoContents=y}}

Template:UnterbergAuldernet

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:31:54 GMT

Auldernet demo

New page

<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps|}}}|caps}} player-name-utdr player-name-auldernet" title="name player enters in Auldernet if it were hypothetically a game">Unterberg</del></onlyinclude></includeonly>
== Demo ==

You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of {{UnterbergAuldernet}} themself.

== Description ==

This is a gimmick template to actually turn the player name in Undertale [or in this case, in [[:Category:Auldernet (RD)|Auldernet]]] into a "mad lib" where the user can customize the name. To edit the name, you'll need [[MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css|a user stylesheet that looks something like the one below]]: (You can click that link to install one)

<pre>.player-name-auldernet:after {
content: "PlayerNameHere";
}</pre>

[[Category:Templates for markup]] [[Category:Auldernet (RD)]] {{ArticleTitle|NoContents=y}}

Template:AngelDeltarune

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:28:04 GMT

Deltarune demo

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<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps|}}}|caps}} player-name-utdr player-name-deltarune" title=name player enters in Deltarune / The Angel">Chara</del></onlyinclude></includeonly>
== Demo ==

Welcome to {{AngelDeltarune|caps=y}}Town!

== Description ==

This is a gimmick template to actually turn the player name in Undertale into a "mad lib" where the user can customize the name. To edit the name, you'll need [[MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css|a user stylesheet that looks something like the one below]]: (You can click that link to install one)

<pre>.player-name-undertale:after {
content: "PlayerNameHere";
}</pre>

[[Category:Templates for markup]] {{ArticleTitle|NoContents=y}}

Template:CharaUndertale

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:26:42 GMT

Auldernet demo

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	<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps\|}}}\|caps}} player-name-undertale" title="name player enters in Undertale / the fallen human"><span class="default">Chara</span></del></onlyinclude></includeonly><!--		<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps\|}}}\|caps}} player-name-utdr player-name-undertale" title="name player enters in Undertale / the fallen human"><span class="default">Chara</span></del></onlyinclude></includeonly><!--
	-->		-->
	== Demo ==		== Demo ==

			=== Undertale ===
	Do you know why I'm doing this, {{CharaUndertale}}?		Do you know why I'm doing this, {{CharaUndertale}}?

			=== Deltarune ===
			<!--
			Welcome to {{AngelDeltarune\|caps=y}}Town!
			-->
			Welcome to <del class="thingamabob caps player-name-utdr player-name-deltarune" title="name player enters in Deltarune / The Angel"><span class="default">Angel</span></del>Town!

			=== Auldernet (Deltarune AU by RD) ===
			<!--
			You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of {{UnterbergAuldernet}} themself.
			-->
			You are a bright young spark, Ezra, worthy of <del class="thingamabob player-name-utdr player-name-auldernet" title="name player enters in Auldernet if it were hypothetically a game"><span class="default">Unterberg</span></del> themself.

	== Description ==		== Description ==

MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 01:24:15 GMT

demo currently working

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	@name "Chara" demo		@name "Chara" demo
	@description Customize Undertale player name		@description Customize Undertale player name
	@version 0.0.1		@version 1.0.0
	@author ApricotSpark		@author ApricotSpark
	@namespace github.com/openstyles/stylus		@namespace github.com/openstyles/stylus
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	https://research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?action=raw&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css */		https://research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?action=raw&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css */

	.player-name-undertale:after {		.player-name-utdr .default { display: none; } /* delete default name - leave this line alone */
	content: "PlayerNameHere"; /* Edit this line only. Put your desired player name in the quotes */
	}		.player-name-undertale:after, .player-name-deltarune:after, .player-name-auldernet:after
			{ content: "PlayerNameHere"; } /* Edit this line only. Put your desired player name in the quotes */

			/* uncomment this line (make it look like the block above) to give the Angel a different name */
			/* .player-name-deltarune:after { content: "PlayerNameHere"; } */
			/* uncomment this line to give Auldernet's player character "Unterberg" a different name */
			/* .player-name-auldernet:after { content: "PlayerNameHere"; } */


	/* [[Category:Hue configuration Gadgets]] [[Category:Skins for use on AO3]] */		/* [[Category:Hue configuration Gadgets]] [[Category:Skins for use on AO3]] */

Template:CharaUndertale

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 00:47:12 GMT

demo

New page

<includeonly><onlyinclude><del class="thingamabob {{#if:{{{caps|}}}|caps}} player-name-undertale" title="name player enters in Undertale / the fallen human">Chara</del></onlyinclude></includeonly>
== Demo ==

Do you know why I'm doing this, {{CharaUndertale}}?

== Description ==

This is a gimmick template to actually turn the player name in Undertale into a "mad lib" where the user can customize the name. To edit the name, you'll need [[MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css|a user stylesheet that looks something like the one below]]: (You can click that link to install one)

<pre>.player-name-undertale:after {
content: "PlayerNameHere";
}</pre>

[[Category:Templates for markup]] {{ArticleTitle|NoContents=y}}

Category:Skins for use on AO3

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 00:42:36 GMT

MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css

Reversedragon — Thu, 06 Aug 2026 00:40:15 GMT

create style for testing

New page

/* ==UserStyle==
@name "Chara" demo
@description Customize Undertale player name
@version 0.0.1
@author ApricotSpark
@namespace github.com/openstyles/stylus
==/UserStyle== */

/* For this style to actually do anything, you'll need a user styles add-on. Install the style with this URL, then edit it:
https://research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?action=raw&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-chara.user.css */

.player-name-undertale:after {
content: "PlayerNameHere"; /* Edit this line only. Put your desired player name in the quotes */
}

/* [[Category:Hue configuration Gadgets]] [[Category:Skins for use on AO3]] */

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q49,57

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:35:36 GMT

a vast black vacuity ; archived 2023-12-11T14:03:46Z

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Zv\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|ニコライ・ブハーリン}} [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ニコライ・ブハーリン] -> he quit, but there's not a better range to put him in		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Zv\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|ニコライ・ブハーリン}} [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ニコライ・ブハーリン] -> he quit, but there's not a better range to put him in

	{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin		{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin -> he arguably died a Stalinist, when you see the quotes below.

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

	== ~~Related~~ ==		== The hope of the world ==
			<ol class="hue clean field_ML">

			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}he is the hope of the world / Stalin was the hope of the world / I must say that Feuchtwanger did not get at the core of the matter. He stopped half way, not everything was clear to him; when, as a matter of fact, everything is clear. ... you cannot do what Feuchtwanger does in relation to Trotsky in particular, when he places him on the same plane as Stalin. ... For in reality the whole country stands behind Stalin; he is the hope of the world; he is a creator. (Bukharin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1938/trial/3.htm]

			{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}All the people lined up behind Stalin (Krupskaya) [https://geopoliticaloutlook.blogspot.com/2019/04/why-is-second-international-defending.html]

			</li></ol>

			== A vast black quagmire ==
	<ol class="hue clean field_ML">		<ol class="hue clean field_ML">

	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,93\|Q2=4693}}why would that masochist let himself be broken / the specifically modern malady which makes such repentant intellectuals radically change their opinions and renounce in a masochistic and exhibitionist manner their own testimony, becoming champions of a cause quite contrary to that which they began serving with great fanfare (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html]<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ML\|Q=46,97\|Q2=4697\|rem=Spamton had one of these in his own way}}a vast black vacuity / For three months I refused to say anything. Then I began to testify. Why? Because ... when you ask yourself: "lf you must die, what are you dying for?" — an absolutely black vacuity suddenly rises before you with startling vividness. There was nothing to die for, if one wanted to die unrepented. ... And when you ask yourself: "Very well, suppose you do not die; suppose by some miracle you remain alive, again what for? Isolated from everybody, an enemy of the people, in an inhuman position, completely isolated from everything that constitutes the essence of life..." ... everything personal, till the personal incrustation, all the rancour, pride, and a number of other things, fall away, disappear. ... The logic of this struggle led us step by step into the blackest quagmire. And it has once more been proved that departure from the position of Bolshevism means siding with political counter-revolutionary banditry. (Bukharin)<br/>
			Nikolai Bukharin + Trotskyism could never be true = a vast black vacuity.

			{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,93\|Q2=4693}}why would that masochist let himself be broken / the specifically modern malady which makes such repentant intellectuals radically change their opinions and renounce in a masochistic and exhibitionist manner their own testimony, becoming champions of a cause quite contrary to that which they began serving with great fanfare (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html]<br/>
	<s>Nikolai Bukharin + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.</s><br/>		<s>Nikolai Bukharin + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.</s><br/>
	a vast black vacuity + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.		a vast black vacuity + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.

	{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=46,97\|Q2=~~4697~~\|~~rem=Spamton had one~~ of ~~these~~ in ~~his own~~ way}}a ~~vast black vacuity<br/>~~		{{li\|I=S1/MX\|Q=46,93\|Q2=4693}}why would that masochist let himself be broken -> an important thing to note here is that Breton never had to endure the harsh conditions of a Third World country that result in consequences for {{em\|all a country's citizens}} if the government doesn't make them all do exactly what the First World wants (generally, using up the world's resources and churning out wealth in order to prevent war and all actions against the law). today, Dengism commits "atrocities" mostly to appease the First World, so it follows that some unclear fraction of the things Stalin's government did happened for the same reasons. and Stalin was definitely preferable to Deng, because he actually believed in developing Soviet civilization through skipping over capitalism to the era of socialism rather than just treating transition to capitalism as the goal of Marxism. it's all too easy to be "anti-Stalinist" because you don't actually believe in skipping capitalism and are fine with letting capitalism run free over the earth so countries can dominate each other and treat each other as superior and inferior races, all to make getting to Trotskyism easier. so if you're going to take a stance against Stalin what you have to do is recognize that the world's populations are plural and in physical contradiction almost trying to kill each other just because they're populations of living breathing organisms, and then you have to find a way that the {{em\|necessarily plural}} populations of the world can come together into a greater object without breaking down their defenses against each other {{em\|or}} creating an elite center of theorists that has to exert control over everyone else just to manage that baseline state of plural populations competing against each other. crack that problem and Trotskyism actually starts to look credible.
	~~Nikolai Bukharin +~~ Trotskyism ~~could never be true = a vast black vacuity~~.

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

			== Related ==
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			<ol class="hue clean field_ML">
			</li></ol> -->

	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==
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	{{li\|I=S1/Zv\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|Zv\|Ziv}} / Trotskyist secret operations		{{li\|I=S1/Zv\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|Zv\|Ziv}} / Trotskyist secret operations
	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

			== Wavebuilder combinations ==
			<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">

			{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/ML\| -- }} \| -- \| -- }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? ?? -->

			</dl>

	== Subpages or related scraps ==		== Subpages or related scraps ==

Research:MDem/5.4r/0999 north-letter

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 13:34:46 GMT

wavemachine logic / "why defending Trotsky" / proofread

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User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/5000

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 10:24:48 GMT

Liberal-republicanism

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	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-tradition="ES onto~~ LR~~" data-qid~~="55,76~~" value~~="5576~~" data~~-dimension="S">liberal democracy (motif) / democratization of human life through becoming more modern and getting good modern values that cause people within some country to build constitutions and codify long lists of human rights and throw out ideas such as the idea of attempting to rule people as a king, the idea of government acting as an organ for Catholics or Protestants to ban each other's representatives or churches or publications, and the idea of codifying chattel slavery instead of giving everyone the right to have legislators and cast a ballot for president / ([[User:RD/9k/Q55,76\|9k]])		{{li\|I=Z1/LR\|Q=55,76\|Q2=5576}}Liberal-republicanism

	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="55,77" value="5577" data-dimension="S">forced free choice / forcing someone to freely choose something / forcing consent -> this + misogyny = Ella Enchanted		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="55,77" value="5577" data-dimension="S">forced free choice / forcing someone to freely choose something / forcing consent -> this + misogyny = Ella Enchanted
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			{{li\|I=S1/LR/ES\|Q=56,76\|Q2=5676}}liberal democracy (motif) / democratization of human life through becoming more modern and getting good modern values that cause people to build constitutions and codify long lists of human rights and throw out ideas such as the idea of attempting to rule people as a king, the idea of government acting as an organ for Catholics or Protestants to ban each other's representatives or churches or publications, and the idea of codifying chattel slavery instead of giving everyone the right to have legislators and cast a ballot for president
			/ ({{9k\|RD/Q56,76}}])

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 07:13:58 GMT

State capitalism equals entering socialism / Why is the Second International defending Trotsky?

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			{{li\|I=F2/ML\|tradition=\|Q=26,73\|Q2=2673}}State capitalism equals entering socialism / State capitalism equals getting all the way into post-capitalist society [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm] -> I see what Trotsky is saying here. state capitalism is the tiniest step into having socialism, but it's not all the way there. I think people like Cliff and Hayashi {{em\|may}} have misinterpreted this concept to start acting like state capitalism was itself bad when that wasn't what he meant.<br/>
			so, who believes this? Dengists. Yaroshenko. I don't think Stalin actually believed this. but theoretically you could be a Stalin-follower and believe this and accidentally create Dengism. so I will call it a crimson error. because today's Stalinists are often nothing compared to Stalin.

	{{li\|I=S1/HAS/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=26,74\|Q2=2674}}learning English to talk to lesbians / learning another country's language to meet more lesbians -> should I file this under "risk factors for becoming a Trotskyist"? it kinda sounds like one.<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/HAS/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=26,74\|Q2=2674}}learning English to talk to lesbians / learning another country's language to meet more lesbians -> should I file this under "risk factors for becoming a Trotskyist"? it kinda sounds like one.<br/>
	to be clear that's not negative any more. when I say "risk factors for Trotskyism" it's about like a gay person saying "risk factors for coming out as gay".		to be clear that's not negative any more. when I say "risk factors for Trotskyism" it's about like a gay person saying "risk factors for coming out as gay".

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_ML" value~~="2675~~" data-dimension="S2">??~~		{{li\|I=F2/ML\|tradition=\|Q=26,75\|Q2=2675}}Isolation preserves the USSR / Isolation will not kill the USSR / The USSR can perish from military intervention but never from its own isolation (Trotskyism onto Stalin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm]

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=26,83\|Q2=2683}}Amazon bleeding authors is stealing / Letting Amazon bleed authors is stealing -> by itself, this isn't <em>not</em> true — I mean, the small shops are hard at work and the big mall owner is bleeding them into the ground with little benefit to them. reads like r/accidentallycommunist		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=26,83\|Q2=2683}}Amazon bleeding authors is stealing / Letting Amazon bleed authors is stealing -> by itself, this isn't <em>not</em> true — I mean, the small shops are hard at work and the big mall owner is bleeding them into the ground with little benefit to them. reads like r/accidentallycommunist
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			{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=26,84\|Q2=2684}}{{article\|Why is the Second International defending Trotsky?}} [https://geopoliticaloutlook.blogspot.com/2019/04/why-is-second-international-defending.html] [https://marxistleninists.org/Reference/Krupskaya/why%202nd%20intl%20defending%20Trotsky.htm] -> here we go. this was weirdly hard for me to find again for some reason. the text where Nadezhda Krupskaya appears to sincerely be going through one of her Stalinist days and ready to say, yeah, no, the Trotskyite conspiracy was for nothing. it seems fully possible to me she also had Trotskyite days when the central government had to censor her. I don't think those are mutually exclusive.

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 07:10:35 GMT

Isolation preserves the USSR

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=4001\|Q2=4001\|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice) -> use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" <em>is~~</em>~~ being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=4001\|Q2=4001\|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice) -> use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" {{em\|is}} being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.

			{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=4001\|Q2=4001}}Stalinism (corruption) -> mark it in the red swatch when it sounds like a statement from Stalin's allies.

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	Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.<br/>		Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.<br/>
	We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.		We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.

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			== Positions or errors considered Stalinism ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/ML\|tradition=\|Q=26,75\|Q2=2675}}Isolation preserves the USSR / Isolation will not kill the USSR / The USSR can perish from military intervention but never from its own isolation (Trotskyism onto Stalin & Bukharin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm] -> I think if we were speaking of Stalinism as "errors away from Trotskyism", this is one of the biggest ones. Trotskyists really don't like Stalin doing anything that undermines the Fourth International, and it all starts at [[E:socialism in one country\|socialism in one country]] as one of the structural elements of [[E:Stalin's Marxism\|Stalinism's]] overall economic base. it seems that that country structure historically leads to strain on Communist Internationals and tears them apart period. so it only follows that Trotskyists will realize that a country structure that destroys all Communist Internationals will destroy the Fourth International and ultimately try to eliminate Trotskyism for trying to preserve it.

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q26,92

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 06:42:57 GMT

the tractor brings its pressure to bear upon us constantly

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	== Populations ==		== Populations ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MN\|Q=28,46\|Q2=2846}}Within small populations in pre-capitalist times, commodity exchange only begins at the borders (Marx, {{book\|A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy\|rem=p. 53}}) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MN\|Q=28,46\|Q2=2846}}Within small populations in pre-capitalist times, commodity exchange only begins at the borders (Marx, {{book\|A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy\|rem=p. 53}}) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm]

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}A Ford tractor is just as dangerous as a Creusot gun, with the sole difference that while the gun can function only from time to time, the tractor brings its pressure to bear upon us constantly (Trotsky) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/ti02.htm] -> wow he brought up chunk competition

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	== Sociophilosophies ==		== Sociophilosophies ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ML\|Q=28,45\|Q2=2845\|h4 = Productive forces birth sociophilosophies }} (Marx 1859, Stalin 1951) / Every stage of productive forces bundles itself into particular relations of production, which when replicated across a country form into a particular sociophilosophy / ([[EC:RD/9k/Q21,04\|9k]])		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MN\|Q=28,45\|Q2=2845\|h4 = Productive forces birth sociophilosophies }} (Marx 1859, Stalin 1951) / Every stage of productive forces bundles itself into particular relations of production, which when replicated across a country form into a particular sociophilosophy / ([[EC:RD/9k/Q21,04\|9k]])

	{{li\|I=S1/ML\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=21,34\|Q2=2134\|h4 = socio-politico-economy }} (early Marxism) / civil society as unbreakable sociopolitical and socioeconomic connection / ([[EC:RD/9k/Q21,04\|9k]]) -> the ongoing connection from production or economy to social structures and then to political structures with an indivisibility of the three layers from each other. ... Marx is in one sense trying to center the "socioeconomy" as the place where history really happens through the sheer interactions of individuals to form a society being the "actual cause" of specific historical periods, and not the words or actions of governments. ...<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/MN\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=21,34\|Q2=2134\|h4 = socio-politico-economy }} (early Marxism) / civil society as unbreakable sociopolitical and socioeconomic connection / ([[EC:RD/9k/Q21,04\|9k]]) -> the ongoing connection from production or economy to social structures and then to political structures with an indivisibility of the three layers from each other. ... Marx is in one sense trying to center the "socioeconomy" as the place where history really happens through the sheer interactions of individuals to form a society being the "actual cause" of specific historical periods, and not the words or actions of governments. ...<br/>
	and in that sense something like Deng Xiaoping Thought at first seems really concerning because, how do you know all the free-floating businesses aren't going to take control of the thing? but ... the central party-nation is a socioeconomic structure in its own way. ... one of the only things saving China from a color revolution is basically that it contains a socioeconomic phenomenon which is so big and extended across the country it's hard for the capitalists to break it up. ... the material development of social structures in China and Vietnam is weird and you pretty much need meta-Marxist Bauplan analysis to understand it. which just makes things harder given that meta-Marxism / existential materialism isn't even complete		and in that sense something like Deng Xiaoping Thought at first seems really concerning because, how do you know all the free-floating businesses aren't going to take control of the thing? but ... the central party-nation is a socioeconomic structure in its own way. ... one of the only things saving China from a color revolution is basically that it contains a socioeconomic phenomenon which is so big and extended across the country it's hard for the capitalists to break it up. ... the material development of social structures in China and Vietnam is weird and you pretty much need meta-Marxist Bauplan analysis to understand it. which just makes things harder given that meta-Marxism / existential materialism isn't even complete

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ML\|Q=28,46\|Q2=2846\|h4 = Apply Marx to country characteristics }} / country characteristics (Lenin) / Marx's theory does not plan for specific country characteristics, but can be applied to them / Marx's theory provides only [[E:Marx going meta (early Marxism onto meta-Marxism)\|general guiding principles]], which are applied in England differently than in France, in France differently than in Germany, and in Germany differently than in Russia (Lenin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/articles/arg2op.htm]<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MN\|Q=28,46\|Q2=2846\|h4 = Apply Marx to country characteristics }} / country characteristics (Lenin) / Marx's theory does not plan for specific country characteristics, but can be applied to them / Marx's theory provides only [[E:Marx going meta (early Marxism onto meta-Marxism)\|general guiding principles]], which are applied in England differently than in France, in France differently than in Germany, and in Germany differently than in Russia (Lenin) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1899/articles/arg2op.htm]<br/>
	Apply Marx to country characteristics + Mark Fisher = revisionism as "country characteristics".		Apply Marx to country characteristics + Mark Fisher = revisionism as "country characteristics".

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=ML, IV, MX\|Q=42,92\|Q2=4292\|rem=42,84\|h4= What is analyzed is accounted for }} / To take documents "into consideration" does not mean to take them at their face value. Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/01/kronstadt.htm] -> oh god Trotsky's most ironic quote. fervent perfidious enemies..... I don't know how to tell you this....		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=ML, IV, MX\|Q=42,92\|Q2=4292\|rem=42,84\|h4= What is analyzed is accounted for }} / To take documents "into consideration" does not mean to take them at their face value. Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies (Trotsky 1938) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/01/kronstadt.htm] -> oh god Trotsky's most ironic quote. fervent perfidious enemies..... I don't know how to tell you this....

	{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=42,92\|Q2=4292}}What is analyzed is accounted for / explaining these theoretical phrases from the actual existing relations (Marx) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm]		{{li\|I=S2/MN\|Q=42,92\|Q2=4292}}What is analyzed is accounted for / explaining these theoretical phrases from the actual existing relations (Marx) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm]

	{{li\|I=S2/ML\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=42,93\|Q2=4293\|h4 = Show why a wrong idea arises }} / It isn't enough to show an idea is wrong, you must show why a wrong idea arises (Marx) / It's worth showing why anarchism is wrong (Stalin) [https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1906/12/x01.htm] -> claimed to appear in {{book\|Capital}}. case of: Marx going meta.<br />		{{li\|I=S2/MN\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=42,93\|Q2=4293\|h4 = Show why a wrong idea arises }} / It isn't enough to show an idea is wrong, you must show why a wrong idea arises (Marx) / It's worth showing why anarchism is wrong (Stalin) [https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1906/12/x01.htm] -> claimed to appear in {{book\|Capital}}. case of: Marx going meta.<br />
	yeah, that's the idea. that's why I came up with the concept of showing the material basis and class basis for a bunch of specific named ideologies, including the differences between different Marxisms. you'll never know which one is wrong, particularly for which country at which time, unless you know what [[E:shovel (meta-Marxism\|shovel (meta-Marxism)]] the [[E:shovel dream\|shovel dream]] came from.		yeah, that's the idea. that's why I came up with the concept of showing the material basis and class basis for a bunch of specific named ideologies, including the differences between different Marxisms. you'll never know which one is wrong, particularly for which country at which time, unless you know what [[E:shovel (meta-Marxism\|shovel (meta-Marxism)]] the [[E:shovel dream\|shovel dream]] came from.

User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/proposed-4

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 06:00:25 GMT

Art as the Cognition of Life

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			{{li\|I=Z1/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Art as the Cognition of Life}} (Aleksandr Voronsky) [https://mehring.com/product/art-as-the-cognition-of-life/] -> this book was apparently published in a censored form because it had too much Trotskyism in it even for the Khruschevites. you know it has to be a really interesting book if the revisionist Marxists can't stand it

			{{li\|I=Z1/Fy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|What Is to Be Done?}} (Chernyshevsky) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/krupskaya/works/ethics.htm] -> so this was apparently a literary reference. I never knew that.

	{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}plural system (psychology) [https://pluralpedia.org/w/Main_Page] / multiplicity system / dissociated system / individual with dissociative identity disorder (DID) [https://traumadissociation.com/alters]		{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}plural system (psychology) [https://pluralpedia.org/w/Main_Page] / multiplicity system / dissociated system / individual with dissociative identity disorder (DID) [https://traumadissociation.com/alters]

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 03:50:19 GMT

The Khrushchev speech suppressed more facts than it revealed

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	{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=40,97\|Q2=4097}}Stalin was the worst / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) / ({{9k\|RD/Q642}})		{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=40,97\|Q2=4097}}Stalin was the worst / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) / ({{9k\|RD/Q642}})
			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,98\|Q2=4098}}Spare the original Bolsheviks / Don't kill original Bolsheviks / Trotsky and/or other Trotskyist theorists are members of Leninism (non-revisionist Marxism; the best form of Marxism; proletarian revolution), so you cannot kill them / [Stalin as] the great negator and principal enemy of the proletarian revolution (Breton) / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4001\|9k]])

	~~</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4098" data-dimension="S2">??~~
	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="40,99" value="4099" data-dimension="S">poly-Menshevism -> the hypothetical configuration of three or more center-Liberalisms joining together to make it so that not having social-democracy in any of the individual countries is somehow utterly illegal and considered basically treason. I don't know how this would be possible, but if you propose poly-Maoism or poly-Trotskyism somebody's going to propose it.		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="40,99" value="4099" data-dimension="S">poly-Menshevism -> the hypothetical configuration of three or more center-Liberalisms joining together to make it so that not having social-democracy in any of the individual countries is somehow utterly illegal and considered basically treason. I don't know how this would be possible, but if you propose poly-Maoism or poly-Trotskyism somebody's going to propose it.

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	</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-tradition="MX onto IV" data-qid="42,02" value="4202" data-dimension="S2">Rosa Luxemburg thought she believed in Leninism -> I am actually not totally sure on this one... but when "the three L's" exists as an expression I mean I think other people thought she did. are they wrong? is everyone just projecting which Marxism or anarchism they actually want Rosa Luxemburg to be?		</li><li class="field_trotsky" data-tradition="MX onto IV" data-qid="42,02" value="4202" data-dimension="S2">Rosa Luxemburg thought she believed in Leninism -> I am actually not totally sure on this one... but when "the three L's" exists as an expression I mean I think other people thought she did. are they wrong? is everyone just projecting which Marxism or anarchism they actually want Rosa Luxemburg to be?

	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" data-qid~~="42,03~~" value~~="4203~~" data-dimension="F2">~~Every Trotskyite Stalin eliminated was a Leninist ~~{{YouTube~~\|~~DS8s6j5gVEo}} -> read Trotskyist talks really closely and you see the assumptions between the lines. past Trotsky and Zinoviev (? if he even was, which I usually assume he wasn't.~~) practically none of the Trotskyites were Leninists or "allies of the world revolution" — which, sure, they only have to be workers if the conditions are right, but knowing how many capitalists were in there, you'd have a stronger claim if they were Leninists. can you build a revolution with enough Gramscis? who knows, but if you have anything less the chances don't look good.		{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=42,03\|Q2=4203}}Every Trotskyite Stalin eliminated was a Leninist / ([[User:RD/9k/Q4001\|9k]])

	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,04\|Q2=4204}}A Fourth International is an act of filtration <small>— it is the act of collecting parties or organizations with the best lines and material understandings to form a new object or active process which will have only Trotskyist content ("orange" content) and will hopefully be able to realize some sort of large orange historical period that functions as a continuous dictatorship-of-the-proletariat on a scale that covers some significant fraction of the world</small> / ({{9k\|RD/Q42,04}})		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,04\|Q2=4204}}A Fourth International is an act of filtration <small>— it is the act of collecting parties or organizations with the best lines and material understandings to form a new object or active process which will have only Trotskyist content ("orange" content) and will hopefully be able to realize some sort of large orange historical period that functions as a continuous dictatorship-of-the-proletariat on a scale that covers some significant fraction of the world</small> / ({{9k\|RD/Q42,04}})
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=42,93\|Q2=4293}}It isn't enough to show an idea is wrong, you must show why a wrong idea arises (Marx) / It's worth showing why anarchism is wrong (Stalin) / ([[User:RD/9k/Q26,92\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=ML, MX\|Q=42,93\|Q2=4293}}It isn't enough to show an idea is wrong, you must show why a wrong idea arises (Marx) / It's worth showing why anarchism is wrong (Stalin) / ([[User:RD/9k/Q26,92\|9k]])

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4294~~" data~~-~~dimension="S2"~~>??		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=IV\|Q=42,94\|Q2=4294}}The Khrushchev speech suppressed more facts than it revealed [https://www.marxists.org/archive/fraser/1956/kruschev.html] -> oh my god thank you. nobody in Liberal-republicanism ever admits this. now admit that defeating Stalin wasn't entirely a good thing, and led to this outcome.

	</li><li value="4295" data-remark="Clippy, 1995" class="field_trotsky" data-dimension="S2">change your profile pic to Clippy / change your profile picture to a Clippy {{YouTube\|2_Dtmpe9qaQ}} -> normal people baffle me. how can they so confidently believe that "corporations treating people like human beings" is a coherent thing that corporations would intuitively understand and wouldn't need a whole book explaining it to them. I'd need a whole book explaining it to me just to understand how they think a bunch of Clippy could actually teach anyone the intended message. people who would defend factory workers getting confused about "artists" and whether they're workers is one thing, this is entirely another thing.		</li><li value="4295" data-remark="Clippy, 1995" class="field_trotsky" data-dimension="S2">change your profile pic to Clippy / change your profile picture to a Clippy {{YouTube\|2_Dtmpe9qaQ}} -> normal people baffle me. how can they so confidently believe that "corporations treating people like human beings" is a coherent thing that corporations would intuitively understand and wouldn't need a whole book explaining it to them. I'd need a whole book explaining it to me just to understand how they think a bunch of Clippy could actually teach anyone the intended message. people who would defend factory workers getting confused about "artists" and whether they're workers is one thing, this is entirely another thing.

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 03:34:29 GMT

Trotsky and/or other Trotskyist theorists are members of Leninism, so you cannot kill them

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=4001\|Q2=4001\|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice) -> use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" <em>is</em> being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=4001\|Q2=4001\|h4 = Stalinism }} (corruption) / Stalinism (prejudice) -> use to mark the concept of "Stalinism" specifically as defined in Trotskyist texts, and not in any non-Trotskyist text. if you simply gather up data on this you'll realize it refers to something much more specific than you'd think it is. "Stalin's Marxism" ('Stalin Thought', "Marxism-Leninism", "mainstream Marxism-Leninism") isn't actually the same thing as "Stalinism", even though in practice the concept of "Stalinism" <em>is</em> being used to reject Stalin's Marxism.

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			{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=42,03\|Q2=4203}}Every Trotskyite Stalin eliminated was a Leninist {{YouTube\|DS8s6j5gVEo}} -> read Trotskyist talks really closely and you see the assumptions between the lines. past Trotsky and Zinoviev (? if he even was, which I usually assume he wasn't.) practically none of the Trotskyites were Leninists or "allies of the world revolution" — which, sure, they only have to be workers if the conditions are right, but knowing how many capitalists were in there, you'd have a stronger claim if they were Leninists. can you build a revolution with enough Gramscis? who knows, but if you have anything less the chances don't look good.

			{{li\|I=S2/IV/LR\|Q=42,03\|Q2=4203}}Most members of early Trotskyism were not Leninists -> so, I've found out the ICFI has been actually dissecting Trotskyism to separate parts of it that are basically Menshevism from parts of it that can reasonably be called Leninism. it looks like I was perfectly on point with this one.

			{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=40,98\|Q2=4098}}[Stalin as] the great negator and principal enemy of the proletarian revolution (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html] -> this is not the same entry as "[[E:Stalin was the worst\|Stalin was the worst]]", which to me is a moral claim. this is more like a class analysis claim or a claim about whether Stalinism or Trotskyism is the real Leninism. the truth value in question here isn't "Good"/"Evil", but "Materially Accurate" or "Proletarian" versus not.<br/>
			Moscow Trials + ?? = this.

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,98\|Q2=4098}}<!-- Spare the original Bolsheviks / Don't kill original Bolsheviks / --> Trotsky and/or other Trotskyist theorists are members of Leninism (non-revisionist Marxism; the best form of Marxism; proletarian revolution), so you cannot kill them / the great negator and principal enemy of the proletarian revolution -> I will never stop saying the early Soviet Union is terribly interesting, but the more you study this stuff the more it starts to sound like Catholics and Protestants arguing over Northern Ireland with no real answer in sight.<br/>
			Abandon Trotsky, and Bolshevism has failed + Moscow Trials = this.<br/>
			We live in a post-Trotsky world + ?? = this.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=49,17\|Q2=4917\|h4 = Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists }} / ([[User:RD/9k/Q49,17\|9k]])		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=49,17\|Q2=4917\|h4 = Russian Revolution according to Trotskyists }} / ([[User:RD/9k/Q49,17\|9k]])

			{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Stalin was the worst }} / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) / ({{9k\|RD/Q642}})

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 02:58:41 GMT

Krupskaya carried Trotskyist history

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	the thing that has always been a little bit of a mystery to me in case C is: how did the bureaucrats start 'multiplying' and generating an initial class rule in the first place? what was even causing that? I still don't quite understand it. and that's why at first I found it really hard to believe		the thing that has always been a little bit of a mystery to me in case C is: how did the bureaucrats start 'multiplying' and generating an initial class rule in the first place? what was even causing that? I still don't quite understand it. and that's why at first I found it really hard to believe

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4067~~" data-dimension="S2">??~~		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,67\|Q2=4067}}Krupskaya carried Trotskyist history / Krupskaya knew the history of the party to be the history of Trotskyism, and although spared, was heavily edited by the central party / She knew the history of the party [...] all of the latter day historiography which assigned to Stalin a place alongside of Lenin could not but appear revolting and insulting to her [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/03/krupskaya.htm]

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4068" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4068" data-dimension="S2">??
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4069" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4069" data-dimension="S2">??
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	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4096" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4096" data-dimension="S2">??
	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4097~~" data-dimension="S2">??~~		{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=40,97\|Q2=4097}}Stalin was the worst / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) / ({{9k\|RD/Q642}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4098" data-dimension="S2">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4098" data-dimension="S2">??
	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="40,99" value="4099" data-dimension="S">poly-Menshevism -> the hypothetical configuration of three or more center-Liberalisms joining together to make it so that not having social-democracy in any of the individual countries is somehow utterly illegal and considered basically treason. I don't know how this would be possible, but if you propose poly-Maoism or poly-Trotskyism somebody's going to propose it.		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="40,99" value="4099" data-dimension="S">poly-Menshevism -> the hypothetical configuration of three or more center-Liberalisms joining together to make it so that not having social-democracy in any of the individual countries is somehow utterly illegal and considered basically treason. I don't know how this would be possible, but if you propose poly-Maoism or poly-Trotskyism somebody's going to propose it.
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	{{li\|I=S1/MX/LR\|Q=46,91\|Q2=4691}}Stalin's abuser (motif) / the world's greatest bully who was scary enough to make Stalin hide in the shadows / ({{9k\|RD/Q46,91}})		{{li\|I=S1/MX/LR\|Q=46,91\|Q2=4691}}Stalin's abuser (motif) / the world's greatest bully who was scary enough to make Stalin hide in the shadows / ({{9k\|RD/Q46,91}})

	</li><li class="~~field_trotsky~~" value="4692">??		</li><li class="field_mdem" value="4692">??
	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4693~~">??~~
			{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,93\|Q2=4693}}why would that masochist let himself be broken / the specifically modern malady which makes such repentant intellectuals radically change their opinions and renounce in a masochistic and exhibitionist manner their own testimony, becoming champions of a cause quite contrary to that which they began serving with great fanfare (Breton) / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}})
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4694">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4694">??
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4695">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4695">??
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4696">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4696">??
	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4697~~">??~~		{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=46,97\|Q2=4697}}a vast black vacuity / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4698">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4698">??
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4699">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4699">??
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	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4955">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4955">??
	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4956">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4956">??
	~~</li><~~li ~~class~~=~~"field_ML" value~~="4957~~" data-dimension="Z">~~Nikolai Bukharin / ~~<span lang="ja">ニコライ・ブハーリン<~~/~~span> -> he quit~~, ~~but there's not a better place to put him~~		{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / ({{9k\|RD/Q49,57}})
	</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="4958" data-dimension="Z">George Orwell -> by some definitions of Trotskyite, the most famous one ever		</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="4958" data-dimension="Z">George Orwell -> by some definitions of Trotskyite, the most famous one ever
	</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="4959" data-dimension="Z">Slavoj Žižek -> may sound surprising to call him a "Zinovievist" or Trotskyite, but after much analysis of his rhetorical patterns and motifs he truly belongs here		</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="4959" data-dimension="Z">Slavoj Žižek -> may sound surprising to call him a "Zinovievist" or Trotskyite, but after much analysis of his rhetorical patterns and motifs he truly belongs here

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q642

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 02:40:35 GMT

re-sort

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}It is ~~an Undesired outcome for people~~ to ~~believe codes of morality that are Materially Inaccurate; if people believe a code of morality~~ and ~~believing that code of morality causes observed outcomes established as Undesired outcomes, then that code of morality~~ is ~~Materially Inaccurate and people continuing to believe it~~ is ~~Undesired~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}double consequentialism / An action that is morally right (Desired) is the one predicted to be objectively right, and the action which is objectively right is the action which actually has the best consequences [https://iep.utm.edu/consequentialism-utilitarianism/]

	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Trotsky and Stalin reasonably expect different outcomes from the same policies / Expectable consequentialism is Idealism; any claim that somebody's actions are to be judged based on what ~~a person~~ can "reasonably expect" will be colored by individual people's specific chosen ideology and set of biases, and allow people to get out of any accusation by claiming that ~~it wasn~~'t what they reasonably expected / Expectable consequentialism is just a reinvention of deontology from a different angle (sense)		{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}rule consequentialism / An action is morally right if it corresponds to the overall set of behaviors of a population that would result in the best outcomes [https://iep.utm.edu/consequentialism-utilitarianism/] -> oh god, it's the only version of consequentialism that actually makes sense. but it really highlights how the creation of ethics almost inherently results in the creation of government. this would probably be why deontology hasn't entirely died. people's desire to create government versus aversion to creating government is a big part of it.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}It is an Undesired outcome for people to believe codes of morality that are Materially Inaccurate; if people believe a code of morality and believing that code of morality causes observed outcomes established as Undesired outcomes, then that code of morality is Materially Inaccurate and people continuing to believe it is Undesired

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Trotsky and Stalin "reasonably expect" different outcomes from the same policies / Expectable consequentialism is Idealism; any claim that somebody's actions are to be judged based on what each moral actor can "reasonably expect" will be colored by individual people's specific chosen ideology and set of biases, and allow people to get out of any accusation by claiming that various outcomes or behaviors of other people weren't what they reasonably expected / Expectable consequentialism is just a reinvention of deontology from a different angle (sense)

	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}A reasonable anarchist can break down your door for any choice / Reasonable consequentialism is ideological chauvinism; any attempt to get out of the problems of expectable consequentialism by attempting to say that models of reality must be "reasonable" opens the floodgates for any possible definition of "reasonable" to declare itself the only correct definition in the world and call all actors who do not use that definition unreasonable and prone to making the wrong decisions		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}A reasonable anarchist can break down your door for any choice / Reasonable consequentialism is ideological chauvinism; any attempt to get out of the problems of expectable consequentialism by attempting to say that models of reality must be "reasonable" opens the floodgates for any possible definition of "reasonable" to declare itself the only correct definition in the world and call all actors who do not use that definition unreasonable and prone to making the wrong decisions
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	{{li\|I=S2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Cuban exiles are currently chipping away at Cuba's government to try to get compensated for sugarcane plantations -> this really shows how imperial every single seemingly innocuous act of buying and selling something is, I mean, the arrogance to think somebody will just pay you to prove they have {{em\|the elite expertise}} to take back what might have been a site of slavery. has agorism ever been anything but inherent hierarchy over the rest of the world the instant lines are drawn around a single person or drawn around anything?		{{li\|I=S2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Cuban exiles are currently chipping away at Cuba's government to try to get compensated for sugarcane plantations -> this really shows how imperial every single seemingly innocuous act of buying and selling something is, I mean, the arrogance to think somebody will just pay you to prove they have {{em\|the elite expertise}} to take back what might have been a site of slavery. has agorism ever been anything but inherent hierarchy over the rest of the world the instant lines are drawn around a single person or drawn around anything?

			{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Stalin was the worst }} / The Moscow Trials exposed Stalin as the dirtiest, most criminal and most repulsive figure in history (Trotsky) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1939/03/krupskaya.htm] -> despite this being a subjective statement predicated on how much people know about different parts of the world and different historical periods I think it's actually pretty easy to say this is false. because frankly, Alexander Dugin declaring war on Ukraine is a lot worse than anything Stalin ever did. he's [[E:Identitarian fascism\|a nazi]]. that's a lebensraum mission. whatever Stalin did it was to protect the people of the Soviet Union from outside attack and keep any of the republics from turning into nazism. in the United States it's been argued that fascism is one of the most obviously Wrong things in the world. so, doesn't it logically follow that Stalinism is then {{em\|not}} the most obviously Wrong thing in the world, if it can be showed that its purpose was to prevent the most obviously Wrong thing and its orientation was toward self-sacrifice and against colonial control of one country by another?

			{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Stalin was the absolute worst -> truth values: Improperly Boxed-In Statement, Ethically Inconsistent.

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	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Materially Inaccurate }} (truth value) / False (physics, natural sciences; truth value) -> this describes statements that are not true with regard to the real world in general. because of the difficult problem of rare events, there may be many auxiliary truth values needed in between Materially Accurate and Materially Inaccurate to properly describe how accurate a statement is and when it applies, such as Some Occurrence, True In United States, or True In Capitalism.		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Materially Inaccurate }} (truth value) / False (physics, natural sciences; truth value) -> this describes statements that are not true with regard to the real world in general. because of the difficult problem of rare events, there may be many auxiliary truth values needed in between Materially Accurate and Materially Inaccurate to properly describe how accurate a statement is and when it applies, such as Some Occurrence, True In United States, or True In Capitalism.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Ethically Consistent }} (truth value) -> this describes a statement which creates a logically consistent system of ethical rules. consistency doesn't guarantee that the ethical system is Materially Accurate, but does make it somewhat more likely.

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Ethically Inconsistent }} (truth value)

			{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Improperly Boxed-In Statement }} (truth value) -> this describes statements that seem to be True based on a limited amount of information, but are shown to in some way end up with some kind of Falsy truth value once more information is added.<br/>
			one of the most uniquely Stalinist truth values there is, despite the same error often being made by Trotskyists.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}rule consequentialism / An action is morally right if it corresponds to the overall set of behaviors of a population that would result in the best outcomes [https://iep.utm.edu/consequentialism-utilitarianism/] -> oh god, it's the only version of consequentialism that actually makes sense. but it really highlights how the creation of ethics almost inherently results in the creation of government. this would probably be why deontology hasn't entirely died. people's desire to create government versus aversion to creating government is a big part of it.

	{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}double consequentialism / An action that is morally right (Desired) is the one predicted to be objectively right; the action which is objectively right is the action which actually has the best consequences [https://iep.utm.edu/consequentialism-utilitarianism/]

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 01:18:52 GMT

a vast black vacuity / why would that masochist let himself be broken

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	<li ~~class~~=~~"field_ML" value~~="4957~~" data-dimension="Z">~~Nikolai Bukharin / ~~<span~~ lang="ja">ニコライ・ブハーリン</~~span>~~ -> he quit, but there's not a better ~~place~~ to put him		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Zv\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|ニコライ・ブハーリン}} [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ニコライ・ブハーリン] -> he quit, but there's not a better range to put him in

			{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=49,57\|Q2=4957}}Nikolai Bukharin

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	</li></ol~~> --~~>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,93\|Q2=4693}}why would that masochist let himself be broken / the specifically modern malady which makes such repentant intellectuals radically change their opinions and renounce in a masochistic and exhibitionist manner their own testimony, becoming champions of a cause quite contrary to that which they began serving with great fanfare (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html]<br/>
			<s>Nikolai Bukharin + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.</s><br/>
			a vast black vacuity + Why drop out of Trotskyism? = this.

			{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=46,97\|Q2=4697\|rem=Spamton had one of these in his own way}}a vast black vacuity<br/>
			Nikolai Bukharin + Trotskyism could never be true = a vast black vacuity.

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4957

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 01:11:40 GMT

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<li class="field_ML" value="4957" data-dimension="Z">Nikolai Bukharin / ニコライ・ブハーリン -> he quit, but there's not a better place to put him

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4957

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 01:11:24 GMT

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 01:00:14 GMT

Speaking of the concept of a "reformed Communist" is like saying "reformed gay person"

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	{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,88\|Q2=4688}}Trotskyist orientalism / Trotskyists treating the bloc of populations that they expect to join together and transition to Trotskyism as superior to Third World populations with an urgent need to defend themselves against First World capital and more worthy of protection from neocolonialism, scattering across the world, or starvation / ([[User:RD/9k/Q22,96\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=46,88\|Q2=4688}}Trotskyist orientalism / Trotskyists treating the bloc of populations that they expect to join together and transition to Trotskyism as superior to Third World populations with an urgent need to defend themselves against First World capital and more worthy of protection from neocolonialism, scattering across the world, or starvation / ([[User:RD/9k/Q22,96\|9k]])
	</~~li><li class~~="~~field_trotsky~~" ~~value=~~"~~4689~~"~~>??~~
			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=46,89\|Q2=4689}}Speaking of the concept of a "reformed Communist" is like saying "reformed gay person" or "reformed transgender person" / ({{9k\|RD/Q46,91}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4690" data-dimension="Z">Left Voice (federated outlet)		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4690" data-dimension="Z">Left Voice (federated outlet)

	{{li\|I=S1/MX/LR~~\|tradition=~~\|Q=46,91\|Q2=4691}}Stalin's abuser (motif) / the world's greatest bully who was scary enough to make Stalin hide in the shadows -> I am so tired of people assuming that just because they can badmouth Stalin they must be more Good rather than more Evil. how do you know that? how do you really know you have done anything more than overpower your enemies? I've eaten up everyone's "Stalin was Evil" {{~~censor~~\|~~bullcrap~~}} all my life and all it's taught me is that claiming you can shut other people up because you're better than them is unacceptable. which should make {{em\|anticommunism}} and {{em\|trying to undermine Stalinism}} unacceptable, because it commits the same error that Stalin supposedly made. if you are actually better than Stalin, you ironically have no right to order Stalin around and every obligation to defend the Third World from the United States.		{{li\|I=S1/MX/LR\|Q=46,91\|Q2=4691}}Stalin's abuser (motif) / the world's greatest bully who was scary enough to make Stalin hide in the shadows / ({{9k\|RD/Q46,91}})

	</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4692">??		</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="4692">??

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4691

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:58:30 GMT

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618}}Stalin except evil / Dark Stalin (fictional scenario) / Stalin as Trotskyists see him (only in the most exaggerated cases of "Trotskyist history") / ({{9k\|RD/Q70,92}})		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=46,89\|Q2=4689}}Speaking of the concept of a "reformed Communist" is like saying "reformed gay person" or "reformed transgender person" -> this is my proposition, but it reminded me a lot of what Trotskyists have said about the Moscow Trials, so I put it in this range. because really, if your Marxism is Trotskyism then you would be tossing 'Trotskyist' in there.<br/>
			Starlight Glimmer episodes + love bombing = this. Kirin episode + love bombing = this.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618}}Stalin except evil / Dark Stalin (fictional scenario) / Stalin as Trotskyists see him (only in the most exaggerated cases of "Trotskyist history") / ({{9k\|RD/Q70,92}})

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4691

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:55:41 GMT

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/MX/LR|tradition=|Q=46,91|Q2=4691}}Stalin's abuser (motif) / the world's greatest bully who was scary enough to make Stalin hide in the shadows -> I am so tired of people assuming that just because they can badmouth Stalin they must be more Good rather than more Evil. how do you know that? how do you really know you have done anything more than overpower your enemies? I've eaten up everyone's "Stalin was Evil" {{censor|bullcrap}} all my life and all it's taught me is that {{i|claiming you can shut other people up because you're better than them is unacceptable}}. which should make {{em|anticommunism}} and {{em|trying to undermine Stalinism}} unacceptable, because it commits the same error that Stalin supposedly made. if you are actually better than Stalin, you ironically have no right to order Stalin around and every obligation to defend the Third World {{em|from the United States}}.

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{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/DFy|Q=618}}Stalin except evil / Dark Stalin (fictional scenario) / Stalin as Trotskyists see him (only in the most exaggerated cases of "Trotskyist history") / ({{9k|RD/Q70,92}})

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Category:Freedom (disambiguation)

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{{li|I=S1/STM/FS|Q=618|Q2=618}}GNU software freedoms
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plural system (psychology) - probably what a whole lot of people will think of first

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q5576

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:28:39 GMT

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{{li|I=S1/LR/ES|Q=56,76|Q2=5676}}liberal democracy (motif) / ({{9k|RD/Q56,76}})

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Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q5576

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:28:10 GMT

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Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:21:43 GMT

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	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-~~tradition="ES onto LR~~" data-qid~~="55,76~~" value~~="5576~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~liberal democracy (motif) / democratization of human life through becoming more modern and getting good modern values that cause people within some country to build constitutions and codify long lists of human rights and throw out ideas such as the idea of attempting to rule people as a king, the idea of government acting as an organ for Catholics or Protestants to ban each other's representatives or churches or publications, and the idea of codifying chattel slavery instead of giving everyone the right to have legislators and cast a ballot for president -><br />		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=ES onto LR\|Q=55,76\|Q2=5576\|h4= liberal democracy }} (motif) / democratization of human life through becoming more modern and getting good modern values that cause people within some country to build constitutions and codify long lists of human rights and throw out ideas such as the idea of attempting to rule people as a king, the idea of government acting as an organ for Catholics or Protestants to ban each other's representatives or churches or publications, and the idea of codifying chattel slavery instead of giving everyone the right to have legislators and cast a ballot for president -><br />
	this particular motif has very specific connotations. it doesn't refer to Liberal republics as countable countries; it isn't a type of country. it's a strictly Idealist look at Liberal-republicanism that totally eschews the idea of material objects existing beyond individual human beings, like, a republic is not a material object, country borders are not a material object, kings and royal palaces are not a material object, Congress is not a material object, the presidency is not a material object, human rights are not defined as material processes, Catholic or Protestant churches and the process of forming a congregation is not material, publishing houses are not material objects, the Confederacy is not a material object, slave plantations are not material objects, polling places are not material objects. nothing that Congress or the constitution deals with is actually considered as a material object. everything is considered as just good ideas and bad ideas and mandatory ideas. and it's infuriating at times. because it's like, we literally built our country on thoughtcrime. we built the constitution on defining parts of government committing thoughtcrimes and times we're allowed to force the government not to think certain ideas. but crazy as it sounds, I think this is how a lot of people actually see things. I think to most people, "liberal democracy" and "liberalism" are truly uncountable. there is no concept in people's minds of these things being material transformations that happen to material objects the way (meta-)Marxism conceives of countries. there is a certain slice of Liberal-republican theory taught in grade-school age materials and the media in general that isn't even Liberal-republicanism, but is actually [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology\|Existentialist]] models, Existentialism onto Liberalism.<br />		this particular motif has very specific connotations. it doesn't refer to Liberal republics as countable countries; it isn't a type of country. it's a strictly Idealist look at Liberal-republicanism that totally eschews the idea of material objects existing beyond individual human beings, like, a republic is not a material object, country borders are not a material object, kings and royal palaces are not a material object, Congress is not a material object, the presidency is not a material object, human rights are not defined as material processes, Catholic or Protestant churches and the process of forming a congregation is not material, publishing houses are not material objects, the Confederacy is not a material object, slave plantations are not material objects, polling places are not material objects. nothing that Congress or the constitution deals with is actually considered as a material object. everything is considered as just good ideas and bad ideas and mandatory ideas. and it's infuriating at times. because it's like, we literally built our country on thoughtcrime. we built the constitution on defining parts of government committing thoughtcrimes and times we're allowed to force the government not to think certain ideas. but crazy as it sounds, I think this is how a lot of people actually see things. I think to most people, "liberal democracy" and "liberalism" are truly uncountable. there is no concept in people's minds of these things being material transformations that happen to material objects the way (meta-)Marxism conceives of countries. there is a certain slice of Liberal-republican theory taught in grade-school age materials and the media in general that isn't even Liberal-republicanism, but is actually [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology\|Existentialist]] models, Existentialism onto Liberalism.<br />
	and in the end it's kind of disgusting because there is [[User:RD/9k/Q29,83\|no way for it to not be "colonial"]]. there is no way you can build a society built on mandatory and prohibited ideas and not literally bake prejudices into it such that prejudices are normalized and everybody will have at least one — "nobody is allowed to think about being king" is a prejudice, even if it seems innocuous and beneficial when we only look at enforcement. and this is what enables Liberal-republicanism to have such toxic prejudices against workers' states. it's one big pile of prejudices from the beginning and it's never been anything else.		and in the end it's kind of disgusting because there is [[User:RD/9k/Q29,83\|no way for it to not be "colonial"]]. there is no way you can build a society built on mandatory and prohibited ideas and not literally bake prejudices into it such that prejudices are normalized and everybody will have at least one — "nobody is allowed to think about being king" is a prejudice, even if it seems innocuous and beneficial when we only look at enforcement. and this is what enables Liberal-republicanism to have such toxic prejudices against workers' states. it's one big pile of prejudices from the beginning and it's never been anything else.

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you have two conflicting Communist parties inside you

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			{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}plural system (psychology) [https://pluralpedia.org/w/Main_Page] / multiplicity system / dissociated system / individual with dissociative identity disorder (DID) [https://traumadissociation.com/alters]

			{{li\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}you have two conflicting Communist parties inside you -> this sounds like a really interesting concept for a short story, like, the outside world doesn't believe the person has {{em\|two}} personalities and then we go inside and in there is an entire republic of people with their own government that currently has a very complicated political situation going on. it's not necessarily the Soviet Union, it could be any set of genuinely conflicting forms of Marxism<br/>
			god I relate to this in like, a much less hyperbolic and sci-fi way where there are maybe only about 10 voices speaking in the voices of people with bad understandings of the world that I ran into previously, I don't have a single inner monologue as much as something like a screenplay full of different characters that are all completely unlabeled where sometimes my dad comes into the meeting and starts spouting Toryism and sometimes people online come in and start spouting awful center-Liberal opinions and sometimes "Jake" comes in and offers up some uniquely Stalinist errors and sometimes Trotskyist theorist characters are there and those are my favorite ones because despite not always being correct they at least aren't insane while all the other ones are.<br/>
			you have two wolves inside you + Trotskyite conspiracy period / Great Terror period = you have two conflicting Communist parties inside you.

	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The need for the emancipation of the mind has but to follow its natural course to plunge back into the primordial necessity of the emancipation of man (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html] / The act of making sense of repression as a phenomenon of the material world is overall the same within art and within the study of historical materialism / Artistic intuition and logic are solving the same thing, which hypothetically might be Marxism -> their article on Breton is so good I might have to reference it in my passage about Deltarune accidentally containing Trotskyism		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The need for the emancipation of the mind has but to follow its natural course to plunge back into the primordial necessity of the emancipation of man (Breton) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1997/06/bre2-j16.html] / The act of making sense of repression as a phenomenon of the material world is overall the same within art and within the study of historical materialism / Artistic intuition and logic are solving the same thing, which hypothetically might be Marxism -> their article on Breton is so good I might have to reference it in my passage about Deltarune accidentally containing Trotskyism

Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q618-EconomicProblemsStalin

Reversedragon — Wed, 05 Aug 2026 00:16:22 GMT

red-to-orange transition

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	{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=618}}Stalin caused Deng Xiaoping states / Stalin caused Deng Xiaoping Thought -> as you can see from the above book, this is literally the opposite of true. now, he definitely didn't {{em\|succeed in preventing it}}, Yaroshenkoism got out of its cage and such, but causing it to happen and failing to prevent it are not the same thing. Trotskyists would do well to remember this lesson when "Stalinists" are accusing them of having 'caused' movements they attempted to start in Europe or North America to fail. I'm actually smart enough to realize that a movement being bad at stuff isn't evil and give them some credit for at least trying. I hope {{em\|they}} will be up to that level one day.		{{li\|I=F2/IV\|Q=618}}Stalin caused Deng Xiaoping states / Stalin caused Deng Xiaoping Thought -> as you can see from the above book, this is literally the opposite of true. now, he definitely didn't {{em\|succeed in preventing it}}, Yaroshenkoism got out of its cage and such, but causing it to happen and failing to prevent it are not the same thing. Trotskyists would do well to remember this lesson when "Stalinists" are accusing them of having 'caused' movements they attempted to start in Europe or North America to fail. I'm actually smart enough to realize that a movement being bad at stuff isn't evil and give them some credit for at least trying. I hope {{em\|they}} will be up to that level one day.

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=40,61\|Q2=4061}}red-to-orange transition -> the motif of the internal structures of a Stalinist state (containing crimson, not fully strawberry or blue) being replaced with the internal structures appropriate to a Trotskyist state, leading to initial Trotskyist class rule and a permanent or enduring Trotskyist state (dictatorship of the proletariat) being generated as [[E:immediate superstructure (government generated directly out of socio-economic system of same swatch color)\|immediate superstructure]].<br/>
			the rule of thumb is that if you see Stalin's "Economic Problems of the USSR" and your response to that is "let's destroy Stalinism so we can replace it with Trotskyism", then you believe in a red-to-orange transition.

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	Ever heard of a game where you add any two concepts together?<br />		Ever heard of a game where you add any two concepts together?<br />
	You [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Craft probably] [https://weekly.wordiverse.com/p/landmarks-within-a-dream have]. But, what if the game actually made sense? What if, you know, it was actually based on the [[Philosophical Research:MDem/4.3/6951 plus\|interactions of the objects involved]] instead of turning every combination of two terms into a bad pun? LLMs can't do that. Not in an era where computers can render entire rooms of objects with different simulated materials through collision boxes and raytracing.		You <span class="plainlinks">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Craft probably] [https://weekly.wordiverse.com/p/landmarks-within-a-dream have]</span>. But, what if the game actually made sense? What if, you know, it was actually based on the [[Philosophical Research:MDem/4.3/6951 plus\|interactions of the objects involved]] instead of turning every combination of two terms into a bad pun? LLMs can't do that. Not in an era where computers can render entire rooms of objects with different simulated materials through collision boxes and raytracing.

	The problem? At any given moment, language is [[~~redlink -~~ Gödel's incompleteness theorem\|inherently static]]. [[~~redlink~~\|Language can never touch grass]]. Language can never actually go outside and test itself against the world. Ask a book a question and all it can practically do is respond with what terms or concepts are strongly connected to other arbitrary concepts. But what if we were to fix only two things about language? Get rid of the words. Get rid of the rigid connections. Now what is left is an empty beaker in which nameless yet meaningful lumps of stuff constantly run into each other and connect in only the ways that make sense. When the drops trace understandable paths into bigger things we write them down. If the paths are a bit wrong we run the reactions again. Seed. Caryopsis. Stalk. Chlorophyll. Grass. Keep the paths going, keep the [[~~redlink -~~ ontology\|local graphs of concepts]] in [[~~redlink -~~ meta-ontologically sound\|interaction with each other]], and before you know it, a simple net of lines on paper <em>can~~</em>~~ touch grass. It only requires the [[~~redlink -~~ scientific method\|willingness to learn]], in the way language itself cannot.		The problem? At any given moment, language is [[E:Gödel's incompleteness theorem\|inherently static]]. [[E:Language can never touch grass\|Language can never touch grass]]. Language can never actually go outside and test itself against the world. Ask a book a question and all it can practically do is respond with what terms or concepts are strongly connected to other arbitrary concepts. But what if we were to fix only two things about language? Get rid of the words. Get rid of the rigid connections. Now what is left is an empty beaker in which nameless yet meaningful lumps of stuff constantly run into each other and connect in only the ways that make sense. When the drops trace understandable paths into bigger things we write them down. If the paths are a bit wrong we run the reactions again. Seed. Caryopsis. Stalk. Chlorophyll. Grass. Keep the paths going, keep the [[E:ontology\|local graphs of concepts]] in [[E:meta-ontologically sound\|interaction with each other]], and before you know it, a simple net of lines on paper {{em\|can}} touch grass. It only requires the [[E:scientific method\|willingness to learn]], in the way language itself cannot.

	~~Litho<em>graph</em>ica~~ is three things: a catalog of [[:Category:Hue-format fake Items\|signifiers and objects]], a [[:Category:Thesis portals\|research notebook]], and an old-school [[:Category:Wavebuilder ontology\|simulation]] of discovery processes and philosophies. The word "processes" in the plural is important — every reasonable route to land at one thing from another which feels worth noting is traced through separately. Different tracks of reasoning are coded into different parallel [[:Category:S2 Double-Signifying Statements\|propositions]]; different philosophies or fields of knowledge may be coded in [[:Category:Item colors ontology\|different colors]]. Everything begins with one big, weird treasure hunt to find particular motifs and observations that really matter. You pin them up on a board. You break seemingly-simple units down into constellations of smaller dots and begin connecting the dots. You make several constellations into a bigger constellation. Ultimately, you will learn not just <em>how to~~</em>~~ reason, but how all of us <em>already~~</em>~~ reason, and how each of those forms of reasoning part from properly understanding the ongoing tumult of objects and processes they came out of. You may be surprised at how precise the processes of language can be if only they were [[~~redlink -~~ ontological model / physics equation?\|used for good]]. But when things get tough, or you simply want a break to make things the way you want to, you can also [[~~redlink -~~ Wavebuilder dictionary\|create your own graph file]] with anything in it. Analyze the rhetorical or narrative structure of existing works, or put up your own speculative "thesis" consisting of articles, essays, or short stories where the purpose of your maps is not to get lost. Or do both.		{{int:sitename}} is three things: a catalog of [[:Category:Hue-format fake Items\|signifiers and objects]], a [[:Category:Thesis portals\|research notebook]], and an old-school [[:Category:Wavebuilder ontology\|simulation]] of discovery processes and philosophies. The word "processes" in the plural is important — every reasonable route to land at one thing from another which feels worth noting is traced through separately. Different tracks of reasoning are coded into different parallel [[:Category:S2 Double-Signifying Statements\|propositions]]; different philosophies or fields of knowledge may be coded in [[:Category:Item colors ontology\|different colors]]. Everything begins with one big, weird treasure hunt to find particular motifs and observations that really matter. You pin them up on a board. You break seemingly-simple units down into constellations of smaller dots and begin connecting the dots. You make several constellations into a bigger constellation. Ultimately, you will learn not just {{em\|how to}} reason, but how all of us {{em\|already}} reason, and how each of those forms of reasoning part from properly understanding the ongoing tumult of objects and processes they came out of. You may be surprised at how precise the processes of language can be if only they were [[E:ontological model / physics equation?\|used for good]]. But when things get tough, or you simply want a break to make things the way you want to, you can also [[E:Wavebuilder dictionary\|create your own graph file]] with anything in it. Analyze the rhetorical or narrative structure of existing works, or put up your own speculative "thesis" consisting of articles, essays, or short stories where the purpose of your maps is not to get lost. Or do both.

	Sometimes this thing is a tool. Sometimes it's an [[User:Reversedragon/Wavebuilder/2505-17 intro\|educational game]]. Sometimes it's a glorified bibliography where the sources that would go at the bottom of a Wikipedia page steal the spotlight and make you actually go read. This thing is not here to lecture you with one big waterfall of [[redlink - S1 don't cite Wikipedia\|sometimes chewed-up statements]] a bunch of experts over in some hidden tower somewhere once said, it's here for the actual messy process of learning. (With a tiny side of [[User:Reversedragon/Wavebuilder/2410-22 wave-score\|spreadsheets]].)		Sometimes this thing is a tool. Sometimes it's an [[User:Reversedragon/Wavebuilder/2505-17 intro\|educational game]]. Sometimes it's a glorified bibliography where the sources that would go at the bottom of a Wikipedia page steal the spotlight and make you actually go read. This thing is not here to lecture you with one big waterfall of [[redlink - S1 don't cite Wikipedia\|sometimes chewed-up statements]] a bunch of experts over in some hidden tower somewhere once said, it's here for the actual messy process of learning. (With a tiny side of [[User:Reversedragon/Wavebuilder/2410-22 wave-score\|spreadsheets]].)

	Combine [[~~redlink -~~ dragon\|fire with lizard]], combine [[~~redlink -~~ London Fog\|milk with tea]], combine [[~~Ontology~~:Q819\|set theory with the axiom of choice]], combine <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> with workers' movement to get galactic Trotskyism. The future is in your hands. You only have to take up [[~~redlink -~~ Promethean task\|your torch]] and [[:Category:Historical materialism ontology (general-sense)\|find it]].		Combine [[E:dragon\|fire with lizard]], combine [[E:London Fog\|milk with tea]], combine [[E:Q819\|set theory with the axiom of choice]], combine <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> with workers' movement to get galactic Trotskyism. The future is in your hands. You only have to take up [[E:Promethean task\|your torch]] and [[:Category:Historical materialism ontology (general-sense)\|find it]].

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	** [[:Category:Ontology portals]] / [[:Category:Ontology entries by number\|Ontology entries by number]] / [[:Category:Hue-format fake Items]] - all Items which already have Ontology entries		** [[:Category:Ontology entries by number\|Ontology entries by number]] / [[:Category:Hue-format fake Items]] - all Items which already have Ontology entries
	** [[:Category:Fake Item lists]] - tools for creating Item pages		** [[:Category:Fake Item lists]] - tools for creating Item pages
	** https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links - saving to put on a Help: page		** https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links - saving to put on a Help: page
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	* [[:Category:Thesis portals]] - landings for collected research notes or writings		* [[:Category:Thesis portals]] - landings for collected research notes or writings
	* [[~~Philosophical~~ Research:Molecular Democracy drafts\|{{book\|Molecular Democracy}} drafts]] - RD's unfinished book; the first thesis portal to exist, which was/is used to inspire Ontology entries and test the site		* [[Research:Molecular Democracy drafts\|{{book\|Molecular Democracy}} drafts]] - RD's unfinished book; the first thesis portal to exist, which was/is used to inspire Ontology entries and test the site
	* [[User:Vidak\|Vidak's corner]] (user page)		* [[User:Vidak\|Vidak's corner]] (user page)
	** Substack articles - [[:Category:The Subtle Dialectician]]		** Substack articles - [[:Category:The Subtle Dialectician]]
	** The People's Permacomputer Project ~~- [[Philosophical Research:~~The People's Permacomputer Project]]		** [[Research:The People's Permacomputer Project\|The People's Permacomputer Project]]
	*** ~~Phase Three Results -~~ [[~~Philosophical~~ Research:PPP Phase 3 Results]]		*** [[Research:PPP Phase 3 Results\|Phase Three Results]]

	== Extensions that need to be installed or enabled ==		== Extensions that need to be installed or enabled ==
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	* Recover data from Properties		* Recover data from Properties
	** (Wikibase is slated to be removed when the Entity data is recovered, which will simplify the rest of the setup)		** (Wikibase is slated to be removed when the Entity data is recovered, which will simplify the rest of the setup)
	* Bot situation - we need to totally gate the User namespace to fix... {{em\|the Recent Changes page}}. Don't worry, if you have the ability to understand pages and ask questions this won't affect you.


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