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{{li|start=y|I=S2/A|tradition=A onto ML|Q=21,82|Q2=2182|h4 = The {{TTS|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union|CPSU}} was a class hierarchy }} (anarchism) / The Communist Party of the Soviet Union was an unacceptable class society (2003) [https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/morpheus-basic-principles-of-anarchism#toc5]  ->  bold claim. I think there's a subtle difference here in how Trotskyists see this versus anarchists. anarchists are more likely to come out and say the equivalent of the CPSU being an unjustified class society comparable to feudal orders and capitalism, but Trotskyists are more likely to just claim that Bolshevism somehow hasn't been created yet although its central authority "shouldn't" be unjustified if it had been created. which inherently makes Trotskyists a lot closer to being respectable to me; they just barely fail to pass the bar.<br/>
there's a big problem that comes up here between the so-called 'unjustified class society' of the Soviet Union and the need to keep ethnic groups from being scattered and assimilated. anarchists often don't quite discuss ethnic groups as physical populations, leaving that area to be taken over by separate postcolonial theories that may or may not like anarchism. at the point the postcolonial theorists are getting mad about something the anarchists often show up and start claiming that if the postcolonial theorists got mad there must be domination happening, oh no not The Real, oh no it's the ecologically inherent consequence of violating the Golden Rule. but it doesn't seem like anarchists actually like believing in material processes that lead to attacks on sovereignty and angry postcolonial theorists. the whole thing is left reacting to real material problems several steps too late after "hierarchies" have already had several steps to [[E:chunk competition (meta-Marxism)|multiply exponentially and claim more ground]]. and afterward you always see anarchists scrambling around to claim that [[E:A population of slaves has no leader|it's okay genocide happened as long as none of the oppressed people Created Hierarchies]].

{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=IV onto ML|Q=21,82|Q2=2182|h4 = The {{TTS|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union|CPSU}} was class society }} (Trotskyism) / The {{TTS|tts=Communist Party of the Soviet Union|CPSU}} was class rule  ->  there are a few "state capitalism" Trotskyists that essentially say this too. Hayashi, Tony Cliff, etc.

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