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== Prompt ==
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{{testimony|How is Trotskyism's conception of the revolutionary subject different from the concept of "seeing from below" as in abolitionism (Cedric Robinson and Ruth Wilson Gilmore's tendency)?}}<br/>
{{testimony|If only the more developed forms of society as the more naked and literalized forms of earlier forms or material results of society's previous processes can shed light on previous class processes, as Marx says in the Grundrisse (form of man illuminates development of ape), then how would somebody like Kimberlé Crenshaw or Ruth Wilson Gilmore have any idea not to take modern conditions of structural racism (capital and competition between individuals for finite territories in capitalism compounding on previous inequalities between populations), in which some U.S. cities become aware of structural racism before they become aware of capital itself, and project modern racism back onto 1619 to get 'race economics'?}}<br/>
{{testimony|In one sense, modern racism would appear on the surface to be a barer form of previous instances of U.S. racism, and if Marx said that only the people deep inside an exploitative system and in contact with the new barest forms of exploitation and degradation will be able to become the subjective factor and break everyone free from it from that group's own vantage point (yes, as far as the 1900-2020 period is concerned he actually meant the proletariat of all races inside capital), then it would certainly seem appealing to people in a period where job applications are getting denied for "Black names" and White people (journalists as on Fox News, police officers) are trying to send Black people straight to prison for their "inherent culture" that actually belongs to White judgements to think that somehow prejudice is the most basic process of exploitation in society, as it exploits people who could never "bring the economy to a halt" when they can't work in the first place in order to more tightly control the fraction of Black people and recent immigrants that do get into jobs, and from a point of view slightly closer to Marxism than either Crenshaw or Gilmore could be said to be the process exploiting Third World people who have not yet been integrated into First World capitalism that "prejudiced" capitalists (or in reality capital-territories themselves going through their own logic) seek out for cheap labor.}}<!--
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* The revolutionary subject is not an epistemological angle
* The proletariat is not based on suffering / worker compression (generic)
* misery as revolutionary credential (Communist Manifesto?)
* defining revolutionary subject by distance from production
* Capitalism has taken away local and particular class structures to replace them with a more general one
* Capitalism illuminates slavery not because there was racism inside both of them but because capitalism created a more bare and generic kind of relationship than inside slavery  ->  ok, that one was almost in the question but it basically got a different position of the 'because'.
* Bourgeois academics experience the same overall kind of scarcity of capital-territories as minority ethnicities (Black people; immigrants; etc) experience in situations where racists attempt to keep them out of jobs or arrest them out of prejudice / everybodyism (generic)
* Instances of structural racism are an appearance-form hiding the class relation / Racism is an outer phenomenon / Saying modern capitalism came out of modern racism is an inversion
* If a purported revolutionary subject cannot actually bring the economy to a halt, then by itself, it cannot form (cannot be; cannot create) the revolutionary subject  ->  I have to include "by itself" because Marxism doesn't really say a revolution can't have allies. peasants being made into the proletariat, etc. as long as they actually get there and they don't turn around and try to detach themselves from the Soviet Union and become bourgeoisie in the middle of that.

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