Editing Ontology:Q3115 (section)

=== Identitarian fascisms ===

There can be a few edge cases where some groups of people believe an ideology that outwardly presents itself like a variant of Marxism, but which contains no Leninist content and is closer to containing only nationalist content. One of the first cases of an ideology appearing to be Marxist but containing no Leninist content was the [[E:1930s Trotskyite conspiracy|1930s Trotskyite conspiracy]] — although this event had nothing to do with nationalism in particular, the overall membership of the conspiracy contained very few Leninists. Likewise, there can be organizations that outwardly appear to be Marxist <em>but which only have this as an appearance</em> within the kinds of countries which were once exposed to Marxism but where Marxism was defeated. In Russia, in particular, people were exposed to Communist imagery for decades, but this did not always result in everybody learning and embracing Marxism. As the overall structure of the Soviet Union crumbled for various different reasons, there came to be fewer Marxists and more nationalists, yet there was nothing really stopping anyone from appropriating Communist imagery to mean [[E:signifier mad libs|entirely different things than it originally meant]]. The circumstances of history create new situations such that situations that were not common in one period become common in another.

Thus, it it is fully possible that someone living in 1920 could say "Communists and fascists are the same!" but this statement would generally not be accurate to most Marxist organizations in 1920, while someone living in 2020 could say the same statement but happen to be standing in Russia in a time where highly nationalist countries full of what amounts to fascist ideological content are confusedly attempting to create Marxist parties and thus only in 2020 do there actually exist some number of "fake" Marxist parties where the statement "Marxists are the same as fascists!" is accurate.

This motif does not refer to Identitarian fascisms. It does not refer to cases where a nominally Marxist organization contains what is obviously reactionary-nationalist content, and in terms of its goals is actually a nationalist party. If a party is a nationalist party, <em>then it is not a Communist party</em>, and it cannot be a Communist party concealing [[E:horseshoe theory|horseshoe theory]]. Some Liberal-republicans may find this confusing because they do not understand how metaphysical categorizations can be [[:Category:Bauplan ontologies|transformed into Materialism and made objective]]. Here is the short version: if you can tell the difference between water and gasoline, you know that different large assortments of tiny individuals can have different physical content. If the content of water and the content of gasoline were the same, you could drink gasoline. But gasoline contains inner structures such as octane and water itself only contains the ionic compound [[E:water|dihydrogen monoxide]].