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{{li|start=y|I=S1/MX|Q=270|Q2=270}}exclusively-existing republic / republic that exists to the exclusion of other kinds of republics

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{{li|start=y|I=Z0/LR|tradition=ML|Q=276|Q2=276}}dictatorship of the bourgeoisie / exclusively bourgeois republic / bourgeois republic (existing exclusively) / Liberal-republicanism (state of Liberal-republicanism existing exclusively while not allowing any other form of republic to exist) / blue republic (existing exclusively)  ->  this thing is so ubiquitous and possible to point to physically that not only am I giving it a low number to be easier to remember but it gets a Z dimension. dictatorship of the bourgeoisie physically exists, it's time to stop denying it.

{{li|I=S0/ML|tradition=ML, IV|Q=273|Q2=273}}dictatorship of the proletariat / exclusively proletarian civilization / proletarian civilization (state of proletarian republic existing exclusively or somewhat exclusively while specifically not allowing a bourgeois republic to exist) / workers' state (existing exclusively) / proletarian republic (existing exclusively) / crimson republic (existing exclusively) / dictatorship of the Stalinists (under hypothesis that excluding Trotskyists is almost exactly the same as excluding bourgeoisie and defending the exclusive emergence of proletarian civilization; good connotation)

{{li|I=S1/ML|tradition=MX onto ML, IV onto ML|Q=272|Q2=272}}dictatorship of the Stalinists (under interpretation that Stalin's government excluding Trotskyists is not equivalent to excluding bourgeoisie) / exclusively Stalinist republic

{{li|I=S1/IV|tradition=MX onto IV|Q=274|Q2=274}}dictatorship of the Trotskyists / exclusively Trotskyist republic  ->  this sounds like I'm joking but I'm quite serious. there really seems to be a dynamic where when Trotskyists think they can create a uniquely Trotskyist republic (supranational federation, huge wad of 100 countries, or whatever it practically looks like) they want to create it to the exclusion of mainstream Marxist-Leninist republics. in functionality, this aspect of Trotskyism is almost exactly like the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie trying to prevent the dictatorship of the proletariat, or vice versa (although Trotskyists allow so much anticommunism I do think the former is fair). this is very strange, because it's hard to tell class-wise what exactly Trotskyists want to create the dictatorship {{em|of}}. they'll try to claim the proletariat and take credit for it but when Stalin does something they don't like — and thus during the bulk of everything they wrote or said in the 1930s — they aren't focused on the proletariat then. defeating Stalin's government is a weirdly huge part of Trotskyism. arguably more than actually caring about workers. so what exactly is it that they are trying to exclude and what exactly is it that they are trying to make mandatory?<br/>
one possible answer which is like, the most charitable interpretation of everything they say, is that they are trying to create a dictatorship of internationalism so they can exclude the existence of today's nation-states. that is one of the most weirdly anarchist things for a statist ideology to try to do, but ultimately, at least it makes logical sense. "Stalin is keeping us from our freedom by keeping Russia from merging with China, but we could fix it if we made Bolshevism bigger" is actually a way more coherent statement than Bellegarrigue trying to say that any person who fits an abstract template of somebody giving orders 'somehow' leads to countries being divided. in one way Trotskyism is the most respectable 'anarchism' because it's the only 'anarchism' that makes sense, I mean, even taking Liberalism as an anarchism it doesn't incorporate Lenin while Trotskyism does try to and says you can't get to anarchy without Lenin. which is true.<br/>
another much less charitable interpretation is that Trotskyism is a dictatorship of intermediate classes which are not proletarian but are not 'factory-level' bourgeoisie. this is the impression you'd get if you associated with some Trotskyist parties, that they think they're better than Stalin's government because Stalin was ultimately a proletarian ally but the few Trotskyist theorists of that time were solidly non-proletarian, allies of non-proletarians, and believed they were better than the proletariat. there are historical incidents that would definitely imply this, like Trotsky trying to order around the council of trade unions.<br/>
town full of Trotskyists + ?? = dictatorship of the Trotskyists.

{{li|I=S0/DX|tradition=MX onto DX|Q=271|Q2=271}}dictatorship of the whatever / exclusively strawberry republic / republic that exists to maintain its national borders to the exclusion of foreign control but does not exclude the existence of the bourgeoisie (at the very least, smaller ones), and tends to neatly put workers and petty producers together in [[E:Yaroshenkoism|'strawberry' production relations or social structures]]

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