Category:Deltarune ontology - Revision history

Reversedragon: move Items to :Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology

2025-07-22T00:30:23Z

move Items to Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology

Reversedragon: objectification (Deltarune)

2025-07-21T23:22:53Z

objectification (Deltarune)

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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S">serialized video game chapter		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S">serialized video game chapter

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S">objectification (Deltarune)

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S">further Deltarune chapters / Deltarune chapter 0 -> Deltarune chapters which are not listed on the chapter select screen. currently hypothetical.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S">further Deltarune chapters / Deltarune chapter 0 -> Deltarune chapters which are not listed on the chapter select screen. currently hypothetical.

Reversedragon: Deltarune credits sequence

2025-07-21T22:26:28Z

Deltarune credits sequence

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Reversedragon: move: Ralsei's chapter 3 speech

2025-07-20T09:24:21Z

move: Ralsei's chapter 3 speech

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	* [S] tenna putting fonts and images in dialogue boxes -> feels like a contribution to the theme of dialogue boxes getting a third level of artificial		* [S] tenna putting fonts and images in dialogue boxes -> feels like a contribution to the theme of dialogue boxes getting a third level of artificial
	* [S] nothing keeping it at bay but my axe		* [S] nothing keeping it at bay but my axe
	* [S] in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows
	* [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!" -> Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.		* [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!" -> Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.
	* [S] Shadow Mantle boss / ~~{{TTS\|ERAM\|~~Eram}} / John Mantle		* [S] Shadow Mantle boss / <b class="caps">Eram</b> / John Mantle
	* [S] level (Deltarune)		* [S] level (Deltarune)
	* [S] Q??55 Level of Violence (Undertale)		* [S] Q??55 Level of Violence (Undertale)
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	* Element 9 (Deltarune)		* Element 9 (Deltarune)
	* Element 10 (Deltarune)		* Element 10 (Deltarune)
	* [S2] The shadow mantle is a bulletproof vest / [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars Fistful of Dollars] theory -> the claim that the Shadow Mantle is a shield used for blocking projectiles in Deltarune's green Soul mode, but the discarded boss doesn't want the player finding it.		* [F2] The shadow mantle is a bulletproof vest / [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Fistful_of_Dollars Fistful of Dollars] theory -> the claim that the Shadow Mantle is a shield used for blocking projectiles in Deltarune's green Soul mode, but the discarded boss doesn't want the player finding it. edit: because it wasn't used by Susie in the green fight, this one is false.
	* [Fy] [M3] Why was Deltarune hard to make before Undertale? -> this could have a simple answer in terms of Deltarune being a longer game and so forth... or it could have a much more specific answer. could it be that Deltarune was genuinely supposed to be based on things <em>cut from Undertale</em> before Undertale was made?		* [Fy] [M3] Why was Deltarune hard to make before Undertale? -> this could have a simple answer in terms of Deltarune being a longer game and so forth... or it could have a much more specific answer. could it be that Deltarune was genuinely supposed to be based on things <em>cut from Undertale</em> before Undertale was made?
	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Kris' horned headband		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Kris' horned headband
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	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Asriel's shedded fur -> an explanation for why Ralsei is able to be everywhere. maybe even an explanation for why Ralsei is affiliated with Gaster — he exists as a bunch of scattered shards, effectively. ...that also describes playing cards and spam emails. oh no.		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Asriel's shedded fur -> an explanation for why Ralsei is able to be everywhere. maybe even an explanation for why Ralsei is affiliated with Gaster — he exists as a bunch of scattered shards, effectively. ...that also describes playing cards and spam emails. oh no.
	* [S2] Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy		* [S2] Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy
	* [M] What did Ralsei say to Kris?		* [M3] What did Ralsei say to Kris?
	* [S2] Ralsei told Kris the Dark World is an Angel cage -> look closely at what Susie did right before Ralsei says this in the prison section. Susie attacks Lancer. given a particular situation she is forced to make Lancer the bad guy and fight him to the death. but if she is in the Dark World when this happens, nobody truly gets hurt even if she kills a Darkner. "so, that's why" we are opening Dark Fountains and fighting these seemingly meaningless antagonists: if we didn't do that, The Angel might take control of Kris and do that to the Light World. in this scenario Kris already knows about the ritual of keeping The Angel contained. they know The Angel's "special containment procedures".		* [S2] Ralsei told Kris the Dark World is an Angel cage -> look closely at what Susie did right before Ralsei says this in the prison section. Susie attacks Lancer. given a particular situation she is forced to make Lancer the bad guy and fight him to the death. but if she is in the Dark World when this happens, nobody truly gets hurt even if she kills a Darkner. "so, that's why" we are opening Dark Fountains and fighting these seemingly meaningless antagonists: if we didn't do that, The Angel might take control of Kris and do that to the Light World. in this scenario Kris already knows about the ritual of keeping The Angel contained. they know The Angel's "special containment procedures".
	* [S2] Varik is Ness -> a silly theory created by young Toby Fox during Earthbound Halloween Hack. there is not a lot of difference between Ares and Ness despite their very different fantasy (?) and suburban sci-fi settings, leading to the funny theory that one could just have turned into the other at some point. they should be different individuals with different lives, but how would you even know they weren't interchangeable? this seems to have intentionally led to the concept of Frisk getting displaced by Chara, and unintentionally led to "Sans is Ness" when matpat <em>almost</em> correctly saw the pattern but just barely overshot in the wrong direction.		* [S2] Varik is Ness -> a silly theory created by young Toby Fox during Earthbound Halloween Hack. there is not a lot of difference between Ares and Ness despite their very different fantasy (?) and suburban sci-fi settings, leading to the funny theory that one could just have turned into the other at some point. they should be different individuals with different lives, but how would you even know they weren't interchangeable? this seems to have intentionally led to the concept of Frisk getting displaced by Chara, and unintentionally led to "Sans is Ness" when matpat <em>almost</em> correctly saw the pattern but just barely overshot in the wrong direction.

Reversedragon: Dark Fountains

2025-07-20T09:10:14Z

Dark Fountains

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	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Kris' horned headband		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Kris' horned headband
	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is the green crayon		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is the green crayon
	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Asriel's drawing		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is a drawing / Ralsei is Asriel's drawing
	* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Asriel's shedded fur -> an explanation for why Ralsei is able to be everywhere. maybe even an explanation for why Ralsei is affiliated with Gaster — he exists as a bunch of scattered shards, effectively. ...that also describes playing cards and spam emails. oh no.		* [Fy] [S2] Ralsei is Asriel's shedded fur -> an explanation for why Ralsei is able to be everywhere. maybe even an explanation for why Ralsei is affiliated with Gaster — he exists as a bunch of scattered shards, effectively. ...that also describes playing cards and spam emails. oh no.
	* [S2] Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner opens a wound in the earth
	* [S2] Dark Fountains are created when a Lightner cracks open the limited box of reality -> combines claims: blank void outside of reality is fountain of imagination
	* [S2] Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy		* [S2] Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy
	* [M] What did Ralsei say to Kris?		* [M] What did Ralsei say to Kris?

Reversedragon: move proposed items from prototype here

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move proposed items from prototype here

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 * [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!"  ->  Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.
 * [S] Shadow Mantle boss / {{TTS|ERAM|Eram}} / John Mantle
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Reversedragon: John Mantle

2025-07-12T06:31:14Z

John Mantle

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	* [S] in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows		* [S] in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows
	* [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!" -> Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.		* [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!" -> Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.
			* [S] Shadow Mantle boss / {{TTS\|ERAM\|Eram}} / John Mantle


	[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]		[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]

Reversedragon: like throwing away someone's ???

2025-06-23T06:46:05Z

like throwing away someone's ???

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	* Deltarune Chapter 3		* Deltarune Chapter 3
	* Deltarune Chapter 4		* Deltarune Chapter 4
			* [S] tenna putting fonts and images in dialogue boxes -> feels like a contribution to the theme of dialogue boxes getting a third level of artificial
	* tenna putting fonts and images in dialogue boxes -> feels like a contribution to the theme of dialogue boxes getting a third level of artificial		* [S] nothing keeping it at bay but my axe
	* s nothing keeping it at bay but my axe		* [S] in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows
	* s in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows		* [S] "Stay away from her, you fiend!" -> Tenna's encounter with or without Spamton where he is discovered to have a Pipis. the Pipis is referred to as "a certain person's special ???", which strangely connects to the Shadow Crystal being "like throwing away someone's ???". this scene is making a strange joke out of the Freudian concept of boundaries and suggesting that <em>secrets</em> are the hard line to be crossed that some people want to get into and some people would be really offended to see; the Pipis is found and the audience and Tenna both act like they just discovered pornography or something. this seems to be some kind of hint at what Shadow Crystals ("Glass") and the Black Shard are. this, and the fact that when Susie shattered the glass window <em>its contents was a secret</em>, at least to the Red Soul. we have heavy themes of secrets between two people and breaking the boundaries to obtain secrets in Deltarune.


	[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]		[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]

Reversedragon: chapters

2025-06-11T12:26:50Z

chapters

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			* Deltarune Chapter 1
			* Deltarune Chapter 2
			* Deltarune Chapter 3
			* Deltarune Chapter 4

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Reversedragon: move quick chapter 3 thoughts here

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move quick chapter 3 thoughts here

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			* tenna putting fonts and images in dialogue boxes -> feels like a contribution to the theme of dialogue boxes getting a third level of artificial
			* s nothing keeping it at bay but my axe
			* s in the dark things get indistinct / your eyes can't see the truth any more - this line is funny because it reminds me of the fnaf 4 remark about shadows


	[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]		[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]]