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Reversedragon: Undertale monsters exist through an act of stage magic

2025-11-06T00:37:29Z

Undertale monsters exist through an act of stage magic

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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Souls are Dark Worlds / Souls are a thing you jump into (Deltarune) / Ralsei's heart marking may be a hint at what monster souls are in Deltarune
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Determination is injected into whole worlds in Deltarune -> why is it that Alphys is putting Determination into individual monsters, when in Deltarune Determination only seems to be used while creating a Dark Fountain? there's some analogy between Dark Worlds and Undertale which is not immediately obvious. it's not as obvious as just "Undertale is a Dark World", and has something to do with what objects can have souls and whether the Core is a soul and whether Determination creates souls, etc.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Determination is injected into whole worlds in Deltarune -> why is it that Alphys is putting Determination into individual monsters, when in Deltarune Determination only seems to be used while creating a Dark Fountain? there's some analogy between Dark Worlds and Undertale which is not immediately obvious. it's not as obvious as just "Undertale is a Dark World", and has something to do with what objects can have souls and whether the Core is a soul and whether Determination creates souls, etc.

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	</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten		</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into {{~~caps~~\|Chara}} -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into {{thingamabob\|Chara}} -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into {{~~caps~~\|Chara}} when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into {{thingamabob\|Chara}} when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale monsters exist through an act of stage magic -> the claim that the term "magic" refers to a special kind of illusionism which can apply to the creation of fictional works.
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The crystals that guided monsters Home are a parallel to shadow crystals -> the argument here is that if monsters can use crystals to see, the crystals are bringing light to darkness, so they are doing something vaguely similar to the way Dark Worlds begin in darkness and generate their own kind of light.
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Light World is an escape from something just as the Dark Worlds are / The Light World represents the idea that the real world is a social construct -> I like this one though I have no idea what the point of it would be to Toby Fox. it's similar to the idea of Adventure Time's different realities all springing out of imagination and ending with <b class="caps">Golb</b> — because none of them are technically the most real one anyway, the pillow world isn't exactly fake, it's equally as real or unreal.

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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Sans was animated from a bone by an act of stage magic / Sans bleeds the blood of the other creature he came from -> a slightly better theory than that Sans is Ness. real bones could contain bone marrow if they died very recently, so, a bone leaking blood is only a little silly. the real question is, which reality did the bone come from?


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Reversedragon: Magic glass is diegetic

2025-11-06T00:31:24Z

Magic glass is diegetic

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	</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten		</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into ~~<b class="~~caps">Chara~~</b>~~ -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into {{caps\|Chara}} -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into ~~<b class="~~caps">Chara~~</b>~~ when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into {{caps\|Chara}} when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Magic glass is diegetic -> the claim that the "magic glass" that acts as an error handler in Undertale is an in-universe kind of magic, where the (speculated) fact anything can happen outside the boundaries of a game acts to actually create this nonsensical fix to Undertale's world. see: the vast field of darkness outside Deltarune's borders is a fountain of creative fantasy

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Reversedragon: Gaster fell into his creation because the Knight creates Dark Fountains and Dess disappeared into her creation

2025-10-16T09:52:08Z

Gaster fell into his creation because the Knight creates Dark Fountains and Dess disappeared into her creation

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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster used Dess to create Undertale / Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster used Dess to create Undertale / Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten		</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.
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	== Gaster ==		=== Gaster ===

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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.

			</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster fell into his creation because the Knight creates Dark Fountains and Dess disappeared into her creation -> the phrase never made sense until now but this almost has to be the answer for where it came from

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Reversedragon: Souls are Dark Worlds / Determination is injected into whole worlds in Deltarune / Gaster was dust

2025-09-16T23:07:46Z

Souls are Dark Worlds / Determination is injected into whole worlds in Deltarune / Gaster was dust

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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Souls are Dark Worlds / Souls are a thing you jump into (Deltarune) / Ralsei's heart marking may be a hint at what monster souls are in Deltarune
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Determination is injected into whole worlds in Deltarune -> why is it that Alphys is putting Determination into individual monsters, when in Deltarune Determination only seems to be used while creating a Dark Fountain? there's some analogy between Dark Worlds and Undertale which is not immediately obvious. it's not as obvious as just "Undertale is a Dark World", and has something to do with what objects can have souls and whether the Core is a soul and whether Determination creates souls, etc.

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6313" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6313" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong
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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.

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			== Gaster ==

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			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster was spread across time and space because he was already dust before he fell in {{YouTube\|78s2cRSxe3w}} -> this seems relatively likely to be the actual explanation for why Gaster was "scattered", and how the Goners can hold "pieces of him". we can get some idea that he scattered outside the bounds of every game world where monsters turn into statues. we just don't know what he fell into.

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.

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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.

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Reversedragon: numbers

2025-09-16T06:21:51Z

numbers

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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="~~618~~" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6680" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation
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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster used Dess to create Undertale / Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster used Dess to create Undertale / Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="~~618~~" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten ~~-> I really doubt that Gaster was actually Gaster in Deltarune, although I do know he's there in some sense.~~		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6681" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.

Reversedragon: re-sort

2025-09-16T06:12:28Z

re-sort

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	</li><li class="field_horror ~~element_empty~~" value="~~6317~~" data-dimension="S">"~~fell~~ into ~~his creation~~"		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation -> this feels like it could be true metaphorically, although not literally.
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk is an animated flower [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8udFjxo_9D8] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m9ax1lJBGM] -> this is a weird one but it <em>is</em> a lot of fun. the claim basically begins at Asriel being able to manifest as a monster even though he is really a flower. the question then becomes, how do we know Frisk isn't a flower??<br />
			Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation + Flowey = this.

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">All monsters create children by transferring their Souls
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy is dying because he smoked too many cigarettes (Deltarune) -> I would believe this. it's dark but it perfectly fits the tone of Deltarune rather than jumping into supernatural magic stuff too fast.
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			== Creating the Underground ==

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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be
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	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world

	</li><li class="~~field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?~~		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.
	~~</li><li class="field_horror~~" value="618" data-dimension="S2">~~Frisk and Asriel are in~~ the ~~same situation~~ -> this ~~feels like~~ it ~~could~~ be ~~true metaphorically, although not literally.~~
	~~</li><li class=~~"~~field_horror~~" ~~value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk is an animated flower [https://www~~.~~youtube~~.~~com/watch?v=8udFjxo_9D8] [https://www~~.~~youtube.com/watch~~?~~v=7m9ax1lJBGM] -> this is a weird one but it~~ <em>is</em> a ~~lot of fun.~~ the ~~claim basically begins at Asriel being able to manifest as a monster even though he~~ is ~~really a flower~~. ~~the question then becomes, how do we know Frisk isn't a flower??~~<br />		</li></ol>
	~~Frisk~~ and ~~Asriel are in~~ the ~~same situation + Flowey~~ = ~~this.~~
			== Sans, Papyrus, and the blueprints ==

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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive

	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.
	~~</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">All monsters create children by transferring their Souls~~
	~~</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]~~
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy is dying because he smoked too many cigarettes (Deltarune) -> I would believe this. it's dark but it perfectly fits the tone of Deltarune rather than jumping into supernatural magic stuff too fast.
	</li></ol>		</li></ol>


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Reversedragon: re-sort

2025-09-16T05:59:29Z

re-sort

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	</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="618" data-dimension="S">"fell into his creation" / W.D. Gaster fell into his creation -> motif inside Undertale. we can't even know for sure how this statement turns into a claim because we don't really know what the creation is.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="~~618~~" data-dimension="S2">~~The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten -> I really doubt that Gaster was actually Gaster in Deltarune, although I do know he's there.~~		</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="6317" data-dimension="S">"fell into his creation"

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="~~618~~" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation / ~~The Underground~~ is the ~~creation~~ of ~~someone inside~~ the ~~Watsonian cosmos~~ of Undertale or Deltarune -> ~~you can fall~~ into it. ~~if you~~'re one of the ~~six previous souls, you vanish without a trace~~. ~~everything about Gaster seems so weirdly metaphorical~~, ~~and there has to be something in there~~.
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="6314" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6313" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster used Dess to create Undertale / Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten -> I really doubt that Gaster was actually Gaster in Deltarune, although I do know he's there in some sense.

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale is an alternate world where Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> -> this is easy to misunderstand. the claim here is that Undertale is like the Dragon Ball arc where there are two versions of Trunks and they're two different entities, but this time all the bad stuff happens to the small one rather than the big one. Kris is Chara, but Kris the entity isn't Chara the entity.

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?
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	Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation + Flowey = this.		Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation + Flowey = this.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world
	~~</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong~~
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]

Reversedragon: "fell into his creation"

2025-09-05T03:35:51Z

"fell into his creation"

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			</li><li class="field_horror element_empty" value="618" data-dimension="S">"fell into his creation" / W.D. Gaster fell into his creation -> motif inside Undertale. we can't even know for sure how this statement turns into a claim because we don't really know what the creation is.

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Forgotten Man increasingly became W.D. Gaster as he got more forgotten -> I really doubt that Gaster was actually Gaster in Deltarune, although I do know he's there.

			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Undertale's secrets hint at how The Underground came to be
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Underground is a creation / The Underground is the creation of someone inside the Watsonian cosmos of Undertale or Deltarune -> you can fall into it. if you're one of the six previous souls, you vanish without a trace. everything about Gaster seems so weirdly metaphorical, and there has to be something in there.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation -> this feels like it could be true metaphorically, although not literally.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation -> this feels like it could be true metaphorically, although not literally.
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	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">All monsters create children by transferring their Souls		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">All monsters create children by transferring their Souls
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy is dying because he smoked too many cigarettes (Deltarune) -> I would believe this. it's dark but it perfectly fits the tone of Deltarune rather than jumping into supernatural magic stuff too fast.
	</li></ol>		</li></ol>


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Reversedragon: Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation

2025-09-04T05:57:30Z

Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation

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			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="M3">How do we know Frisk isn't a flower?
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation -> this feels like it could be true metaphorically, although not literally.
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Frisk is an animated flower [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8udFjxo_9D8] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m9ax1lJBGM] -> this is a weird one but it <em>is</em> a lot of fun. the claim basically begins at Asriel being able to manifest as a monster even though he is really a flower. the question then becomes, how do we know Frisk isn't a flower??<br />
			Frisk and Asriel are in the same situation + Flowey = this.

	</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong

Reversedragon: Kris turned into Chara when they became a Roaring Knight

2025-07-23T07:50:04Z

Kris turned into Chara when they became a Roaring Knight

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	* [S2] Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong		<ol class="hue clean reset">
	* [S2] Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Kris turned into <b class="caps">Chara</b> when they became a Roaring Knight -> follows from the concept that Dess became The Knight by becoming a disembodied soul separated from the world
	* [S2] Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster sealed the monsters underground; they remember it wrong
	* [S2] Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster commandeered December's mind to create Undertale -> sounds insane because you couldn't see it from within Deltarune (currently). the claim is that the Core is some kind of engine to create Undertale and the deer skull represents December although she does not exist on the level of Undertale, only (somewhere under?) Deltarune. Gaster is not critical to this theory; any character who did this from within the shelter would count.
	* [S2] Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Alphys does the puzzle show as part of being royal scientist -> this would have been very hard to catch before Deltarune. but look at it now. Gaster appears to be the one presenting Deltarune as if he were the developer — "my" Delta Rune. in Undertale, Alphys replaces Gaster. Alphys proceeds to operate Hotland's puzzles as a fake TV show, creating an illusion of danger and conflict for the monsters and presumably Frisk. see the connection? Gaster and Alphys feel like the interpretation of <em>Inception</em> as a loose metaphor for creating a movie through illusion where the team pulling off the operation is the movie crew.
	* [S2] Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he is a ghost [https://youtu.be/ZcoRulg4u_Y?si=t-vTRAsoq8qclNfu]
	* [S2] All monsters create children by transferring their Souls		</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Papyrus is a head because he got chopped in two trying to go to Deltarune, but his body is somehow still alive
	* [S2] Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Gaster put himself into a phone to enter a Dark World -> follows from Mother series. note that Lightners in Deltarune all already have a physical object body, but it's suggested Undertale monsters don't.
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">All monsters create children by transferring their Souls
			</li><li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Rudy died because his Soul had to transfer to Noelle [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnNQulgKhhA]
			</li></ol>


	[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]] [[Category:Fictional-universe fan theories]]		[[Category:Undertale-Deltarune ontology]] [[Category:Fictional-universe fan theories]]