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Usage notes

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	{{ArticleTitle\|[P] continuous with - Item / Property ~~133~~\|NoContents=y}}		{{ArticleTitle\|[P] continuous with - Item / Property 132\|NoContents=y}}
	<includeonly><onlyinclude><dfn class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="P" data-qid="~~133~~" data-numbersign="404" data-field="Property" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="" data-structure="item">{{#if: {{{1\|}}} \| [[E:~~P133~~\|{{{1}}}]] \| [[E:~~P133~~\|continuous with]] }}<ins class="data-structure"> [Item]</ins></dfn></onlyinclude></includeonly>		<includeonly><onlyinclude><dfn class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="P" data-qid="132" data-numbersign="404" data-field="Property" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="" data-structure="item">{{#if: {{{1\|}}} \| [[E:P132\|{{{1}}}]] \| [[E:P132\|continuous with]] }}<ins class="data-structure"> [Item]</ins></dfn></onlyinclude></includeonly>
	{{HueNumberPreview\|E=~~P133~~}}<!-- change summary template: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|~~P133~~]] -->		{{HueNumberPreview\|E=P132}}<!-- change summary template: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|P132]] -->

	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==
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	<dl class="wikitable hue">		<dl class="wikitable hue">
	{{HueClaim \|P=item type\| {{Template:P}} }}		{{HueClaim \|P=item type\| {{Template:P}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:~~P133~~}} }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:P132}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| work is continuous with \| series continuous with \| philosophical tradition continuous with }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P42/BB\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42/BB\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P34\| {{E:Q618/Fy\|literary criticism}} \| {{E:Q618/Fy\|mythical narratives}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|philosophical traditions}} }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P34\| {{E:Q618/Fy\|literary criticism}} \| {{E:Q618/Fy\|mythical narratives}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|philosophical traditions}} }}
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	== Examples ==		== Examples ==
	~~<!--~~
	~~=== Wackytown fallacy - Q68,90 ===~~

	~~<dl class~~=~~"wikitable hue">{{HueRoster\|EP~~=~~P92\| {{E:Q618/ES\|Careerist layer}} \| {{E:Q618/ES\|bourgeoisie}} }}</dl>~~		=== Dragon Ball Super - Q?? ===
	-->

	== ~~[[User:Reversedragon~~/~~FirstNineThousand\|Prototype]] notes ==~~		<dl class="wikitable hue">{{HueRoster\|EP=P132\| Dragon Ball Z era \| Dragon Ball Z }}</dl>

	~~<ol class~~=~~"hue clean">~~		== Usage notes ==
	~~</li><li class~~=~~"field_fantasy" value~~="132">not continuous with -> example: mainstream Marxism-Leninism - not continuous with - Trotskyism; Dragon Ball GT - not continuous with - Dragon Ball Super; New Testament - not continuous with - Quran
	~~</li><li class~~="field_fantasy" value="133">continuous with / work is continuous with / series continuous with / philosophical tradition continuous with -> serious canonicity relationship between two individual works or a work and containing series. does not immediately imply reverse relationship; if fan works are represented in Items, this should be used asymmetrically on the fan creation only. open question: should this be used for non-fiction works? I feel like the answer is yes precisely when they follow from an existing theoretical work in exactly the same way a fictional derivative work does, presuming previous works to be part of them. this allows easily coding the otherwise complex relationship that the collected works of Lenin are "canon" to Trotskyism without the faction of people immediately connected to Lenin actually approving of that. however this should not be used across the boundary between fiction and non-fiction <em>unless</em> it is meant to imply that the fictional work takes place inside a version of real-world history. sometimes this is the case. you can legitimately put some very funny inferences on the Fantastic Beasts entry although these would not belong directly on main-series Harry Potter entries.
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="134">crossed over with / work has crossed over with -> to both discourage and encourage that ridiculous form of fan theory creation where people take crossovers seriously for no particular reason. don't conflate this with "work is continuous with". <em>do</em> put all the sillier connections in here.
	~~</li></ol>~~

	~~== Usage notes ==~~		This Property is to be used for any two fictional narratives or world-models that build on each other and thus are continuous with each other. This same basic concept can apply to:

			* <strong>Fictional works.</strong> The {{book\|Dragon Ball}} show is continuous with {{book\|Dragon Ball Z}} in both directions. {{book\|Dragon Ball GT}} and {{book\|Dragon Ball Super}} are continuous with {{book\|Dragon Ball Z}} in the forward-pointing direction. Fans might be divided whether {{book\|Dragon Ball Super}} is actually backward-continuous with the {{book\|Dragon Ball Z}} era or not.
			* <strong>Fan works.</strong> If a fan work is ever represented on an Item page, it can be said to be continuous in a forward direction only with whatever work it is based on.
			* <strong>Mythical or religious narratives.</strong> Two "serialized" or slowly-added chapters of the mythical fantasy narrative {{book\|Journey to the West}} are continuous. Two Greek hero stories which one could expect would be told by the same local constellation of polytheistic town-cults and which have consistent story elements and rules are continuous. The Christian New Testament is continuous with the Christian Old Testament only in the forward-pointing direction though not necessarily backward.
			* <strong>Philosophical traditions.</strong> The models of Marx and Engels are continuous with Trotskyism in the forward-pointing direction, just as they are continuous with Juche-socialism and mainstream Marxism-Leninism in the forward direction. It can be argued that mainstream Marxism-Leninism and the works of Marx and Engels are continuous in both directions. However, Trotskyism and mainstream Marxism-Leninism are not continuous with each other.
			* <strong>Representations of reality in fiction.</strong> If the {{book\|Fantastic Beasts}} films show footage of World War II, then their fictional timeline could be said to be continuous with the World War II period.


	[[Category:Hue-format fake Properties]]		[[Category:Hue-format fake Properties]]

Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology:P133 to Ontology:P132 without leaving a redirect: Entity number or thesis portal structure was not final: resolving accidental collision with Wavebuilder

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Reversedragon moved page Ontology:P133 to Ontology:P132 without leaving a redirect: Entity number or thesis portal structure was not final: resolving accidental collision with Wavebuilder

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Reversedragon: copy or update fake Item from P132

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copy or update fake Item from P132

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{{ArticleTitle|[P] continuous with - Item / Property 133|NoContents=y}}
<includeonly><onlyinclude><dfn class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="P" data-qid="133" data-numbersign="404" data-field="Property" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="" data-structure="item">{{#if: {{{1|}}} | [[E:P133|{{{1}}}]] | [[E:P133|continuous with]] }}<ins class="data-structure"> [Item]</ins></dfn></onlyinclude></includeonly>
{{HueNumberPreview|E=P133}}

== Core characteristics ==

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueClaim |P=item type| {{Template:P}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:P133}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA|lang=en| -- }}
{{HueRoster|EP=P42/BB| -- }}
{{HueRoster|EP=P34| {{E:Q618/Fy|literary criticism}} | {{E:Q618/Fy|mythical narratives}} | {{E:Q618/MX|philosophical traditions}} }}
{{HueRoster|P=Property data type| item [[Category:Properties accepting an Item value]] | {{E:Q97}} }} 
</dl>

== Examples ==


== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|Prototype]] notes ==

<ol class="hue clean">
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="132">not continuous with -> example: mainstream Marxism-Leninism - not continuous with - Trotskyism; Dragon Ball GT - not continuous with - Dragon Ball Super; New Testament - not continuous with - Quran
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="133">continuous with / work is continuous with / series continuous with / philosophical tradition continuous with -> serious canonicity relationship between two individual works or a work and containing series. does not immediately imply reverse relationship; if fan works are represented in Items, this should be used asymmetrically on the fan creation only. open question: should this be used for non-fiction works? I feel like the answer is yes precisely when they follow from an existing theoretical work in exactly the same way a fictional derivative work does, presuming previous works to be part of them. this allows easily coding the otherwise complex relationship that the collected works of Lenin are "canon" to Trotskyism without the faction of people immediately connected to Lenin actually approving of that. however this should not be used across the boundary between fiction and non-fiction <em>unless</em> it is meant to imply that the fictional work takes place inside a version of real-world history. sometimes this is the case. you can legitimately put some very funny inferences on the Fantastic Beasts entry although these would not belong directly on main-series Harry Potter entries.
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="134">crossed over with / work has crossed over with -> to both discourage and encourage that ridiculous form of fan theory creation where people take crossovers seriously for no particular reason. don't conflate this with "work is continuous with". <em>do</em> put all the sillier connections in here.
</li></ol>

== Usage notes ==

[[Category:Hue-format fake Properties]]

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	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| work is continuous with \| series continuous with \| philosophical tradition continuous with }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| work is continuous with \| series continuous with \| philosophical tradition continuous with }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P42/BB\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42/BB\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P34\| {{E:Q618/Fy\|literary criticism}} \| {{E:Q618/Fy\|mythical narratives}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|philosophical traditions}} }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P34\| {{E:Q618/Fy\|literary criticism}} \| {{E:Q618/Fy\|mythical narratives}} \| {{E:Q618/Fy\|causality in fiction}} [[Category:Canonicity ontology]] \| {{E:Q618/MX\|philosophical traditions}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=Property data type\| item [[Category:Properties accepting an Item value]] \| {{E:Q97}} }} <!-- en: data Entity -->		{{HueRoster\|P=Property data type\| item [[Category:Properties accepting an Item value]] \| {{E:Q97}} }} <!-- en: data Entity -->
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