Ontology:P202 - Revision history

Reversedragon: "Menshevism was invented by gangs"

2025-05-31T06:44:49Z

"Menshevism was invented by gangs"

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	* "Trotsky believed in Liberalism" <i>(He was nearly the only member of the Trotskyite conspiracy that clearly didn't.)</i>		* "Trotsky believed in Liberalism" <i>(He was nearly the only member of the Trotskyite conspiracy that clearly didn't.)</i>
	* "Herbert Marcuse invented identity politics" <i>(He made some kind of assertion that Marxism was equivalent to a bunch of university students spontaneously deciding to not believe in capitalism, but he didn't do that.)</i>		* "Herbert Marcuse invented identity politics" <i>(He made some kind of assertion that Marxism was equivalent to a bunch of university students spontaneously deciding to not believe in capitalism, but he didn't do that.)</i>
	* "Menshevism was invented by gangs" <i>(No.)</i>		* "[[redlink - United States of Socialism\|Menshevism was invented by gangs]]" <i>(No.)</i>
	* "George Washington didn't believe in liberalism" <i>(Did he believe in monarchy? Republicanism is almost always a loose synonym for Liberalism, unless a republic is several different factions fighting over early Afghanistan without really creating much of a stable republic. Or unless the people of Afghanistan create a <em>workers'</em> republic.)</i>		* "George Washington didn't believe in liberalism" <i>(Did he believe in monarchy? Republicanism is almost always a loose synonym for Liberalism, unless a republic is several different factions fighting over early Afghanistan without really creating much of a stable republic. Or unless the people of Afghanistan create a <em>workers'</em> republic.)</i>
	* (etc.)		* (etc.)

Reversedragon: change data-structure to html tag

2025-05-31T00:20:56Z

change data-structure to html tag

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Reversedragon: pass / fail

2025-05-19T00:53:15Z

pass / fail

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	{{HueRoster\|P={{Ontology:~~P202~~}}\| field value }}		{{HueRoster\|P={{Ontology:P201}}\| field value \|OP1=test passed\| {{Ontology:P202/G}} \|OP2=test failed\| {{Ontology:P202/NG}} }}
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Reversedragon: Usage notes

2025-05-18T12:50:34Z

Usage notes

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	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:P202}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:P202}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=alias (en)\| "Historical accuracy test" (communication question 02) }}		{{HueRoster\|P=alias (en)\| Is this description or argument historically accurate? \| "Historical accuracy test" (communication question 02) }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| {{Ontology:P200}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| {{Ontology:P200}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| historical record }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->		{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| historical record }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->
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	== ~~Prototype~~ notes ==		== Usage notes ==

	* Is this ~~description or argument historically accurate? Does~~ it ~~present~~ the set of events that have happened as far as anyone can tell ~~or does it present~~ another unverifiable set of events~~? (Historical accuracy~~ test)		* A work generally passes this test if it successfully presents the overall set of worldwide events that have happened as far as anyone can tell instead of presenting another unverifiable set of events.
	** ~~Over~~ a ~~third~~ of ~~Trotskyist sources~~ fail this test. ~~I am~~ not ~~sure how big~~ the ~~fraction really~~ is, ~~but I am certain it's greater than zero~~, and ~~from personal experience~~ only it ~~has been under half~~.		* This test can be difficult to evaluate correctly because if it is being applied to events that span more than one country, the historical narrative is required not to distort events for the benefit of one of the countries in particular, <i>as it exists in the role of a sovereign population</i>.
			** The proletariat is not a country, but "China" for instance is a country, and if historical events mainly occurring inside the United States were to be mis-reported for the benefit of persuading people that everything is fine in China and nothing that happens in the United States could affect China, the narrative would fail this test.
			* This test does not apply if the work does not present or discuss a historical narrative of what world events have happened.
			* This test may or may not apply if the work presents a historical timeline of events curated around a highly-specific "non-controversial" subject — penguins, tennis, etc. In some cases, it may be difficult to evaluate whether such a miscellaneous list of facts is an "accurate" account of history even if they are all true.
			* Trotskyist sources are notorious for failing this test, after the larger category of center-Liberal or [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology\|Existentialist]] sources with a blatant anticommunist bias.
			** Based on informal observations, RD reports approximately a 1 in 3 chance of a blatant historical error. This measurement may be replaced with a more current and precise one after more individual works are rated in the new ratings hub.
			* Remember: communication rating levels do not give a definitive account of whether a piece of information is true, only whether it is worth listening to for ordinary people.

	<!-- * ~~Remember: communication rating levels do not give a definitive account~~ of ~~whether~~ a ~~piece~~ of ~~information~~ is ~~true~~, ~~only whether it~~ is ~~worth listening to for ordinary~~ people. -->		=== World history examples ===

			The following types of statements or implications may be considered historical misinformation and used to fail a work:

			* "The Soviet Union was founded by Lenin" <i>(It was founded by tightly-organized sections of factory workers, and peasants that were tired of feudalism.)</i>
			* "Stalin's followers conspired to take over the Soviet Union" <i>(They were some of the most skilled theorists and had widespread popular support.)</i>
			* "The Soviet Union allied with Nazi Germany" <i>(The Soviet Union hesitated to risk losses through attacking Nazi Germany.)</i>
			* "Trotsky believed in Liberalism" <i>(He was nearly the only member of the Trotskyite conspiracy that clearly didn't.)</i>
			* "Herbert Marcuse invented identity politics" <i>(He made some kind of assertion that Marxism was equivalent to a bunch of university students spontaneously deciding to not believe in capitalism, but he didn't do that.)</i>
			* "Menshevism was invented by gangs" <i>(No.)</i>
			* "George Washington didn't believe in liberalism" <i>(Did he believe in monarchy? Republicanism is almost always a loose synonym for Liberalism, unless a republic is several different factions fighting over early Afghanistan without really creating much of a stable republic. Or unless the people of Afghanistan create a <em>workers'</em> republic.)</i>
			* (etc.)

			This is not an exhaustive list.


	[[Category:Properties accepting a communication rating level]] [[Category:Communication rating levels ontology]]		[[Category:Properties accepting a communication rating level]] [[Category:Communication rating levels ontology]]

Reversedragon: copy or update fake Item from P201

2025-05-18T11:44:42Z

copy or update fake Item from P201

New page

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</li></ol>

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueRoster|P={{Ontology:P202}}| field value }}
</dl>

== Characteristics in draft ==

=== Properties ===

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueClaim|P=item type| {{Template:P}} }}
{{HueRoster|P=label (en)| {{Ontology:P202}} }}
{{HueRoster|P=alias (en)| "Historical accuracy test" (communication question 02) }}
{{HueRoster|P=QID references| {{Ontology:P200}} }}
{{HueRoster|P=color swatch references| historical record }} 
{{HueClaim|P=Property data type| item |OP=instance of| communication rating level }}
</dl>

== Prototype notes ==

* Is this description or argument historically accurate? Does it present the set of events that have happened as far as anyone can tell or does it present another unverifiable set of events? (Historical accuracy test)
** Over a third of Trotskyist sources fail this test. I am not sure how big the fraction really is, but I am certain it's greater than zero, and from personal experience only it has been under half.



[[Category:Properties accepting a communication rating level]] [[Category:Communication rating levels ontology]]