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2026-03-15T05:20:22Z

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	\| PPPA = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}		\| PPPA = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}
	\| en = determinism \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=ひつぜんろん\|必然論}} }}		\| en = determinism \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=ひつぜんろん\|必然論}} }}
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	\| ins = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}\|{{{ins\|}}}		\| ins = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}\|{{{ins\|}}}
	\| en = (physics) \| ja = ({{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=すうがく\|数学}}) }}		\| en = physics \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=すうがく\|数学}} }}
	\|numbersign = 404		\|numbersign = 404
	\| CL = meta-Marxist terms \| CQ = meta-Marxism ontology		\| CL = meta-Marxist terms \| CQ = meta-Marxism ontology

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2026-02-08T11:52:12Z

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	\| en = physics \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=すうがく\|数学}} }}		\| en = (physics) \| ja = ({{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=すうがく\|数学}}) }}
	\|numbersign = 404		\|numbersign = 404
	\|CL = ~~[[C:~~meta-Marxist terms]] \|CQ = ~~[[C:~~meta-Marxism ontology]]		\| CL = meta-Marxist terms \| CQ = meta-Marxism ontology
	\|enddfn=1}}</onlyinclude></includeonly>~~{{ArticleTitle\|determinism (physics) - STM / S1 / Q22,28\|NoContents=y}}{{HueNumberPreview\|E=Q22,28}}~~		\|enddfn=1}}</onlyinclude></includeonly><!-- duplication hint: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Q22,28]] -->
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	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==
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	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q22,28}} \| {{E:Q22,28/HZ}} \| [[E:determinism (physics)]] }} <!-- en: necessity (physics) -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q22,28\|C=Q}} \| {{E:Q22,28/HZ}} \| [[E:determinism (physics)]] }} <!-- en: necessity (physics) -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| [[E:lambda-calculus determinism\|lambda-calculus determinism]] \| mathematical function determinism \| necessity (process of individual things being determined by laws of behavior and surrounding conditions) }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| [[E:lambda-calculus determinism\|lambda-calculus determinism]] \| mathematical function determinism \| necessity (process of individual things being determined by laws of behavior and surrounding conditions) }}
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2026-01-29T10:59:00Z

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2026-01-24T04:39:09Z

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	== Background ==		== Background ==

	Between philosophy and the sciences, the word "determinism" can refer to very different things. Philosophy typically assumes that determinism is a question which cannot be empirically characterized and things must be described as [[E:absolute determinism\|determined]] or [[E:Free will\|un-determined]] before there is any theory of how to know that. Mathematics and physics have more fine-grained ways of describing determinism. For any specific object, such as a [[E:twenty-sided die\|twenty-sided die]], it is possible to use mathematics to enumerate {{em\|how}} predictable or unpredictable the object is. For instance, one could roll a die to write down a sequence of numbers and term the sequence of numbers <dfn>pseudo-random</dfn>. The real die is <dfn>actually random</dfn>, but read the same set of die results over and over starting over at the beginning, and the term that would come to mind is that it is simply <dfn>uncorrelated</dfn> on a statistical plot or line graph of numbers in the same sense a pseudo-random number generator is. Another way to mathematically characterize the die would be to create a detailed physics model of an plastic icosahedron falling onto a table, such that it would be possible to render a die coming up randomly as a computer-generated image. This model would not tell you exactly what face {{em\|your}} die will land on, but it would have a lot to say about the general process of {{em\|any}} die landing on {{em\|any}} face. This "[[E:Blender (3D modeling program)\|Blender]] model" is the kind of determinism this entry is meant to describe. "Lambda-calculus determinism" is the concept of a mathematical function that specifies the overall process of how something happens and produces a result, randomized or not, but does not specify what result is going to happen to any specific, unique real-world object without knowing the initial conditions of that object.		Between philosophy and the sciences, the word "determinism" can refer to very different things. Philosophy typically assumes that determinism is a question which cannot be empirically characterized and things must be described as [[E:absolute determinism\|determined]] or [[E:Free will\|un-determined]] before there is any theory of how to know that. Mathematics and physics have more fine-grained ways of describing determinism. For any specific object, such as a [[E:twenty-sided die\|twenty-sided die]], it is possible to use mathematics to enumerate {{em\|how}} predictable or unpredictable the object is. For instance, one could roll a die to write down a sequence of numbers and term the sequence of numbers <dfn>pseudo-random</dfn>. The real die is <dfn>actually random</dfn>, but read the same set of die results over and over starting over at the beginning, and the term that would come to mind is that it is simply <dfn>uncorrelated</dfn> on a statistical plot or line graph of numbers in the same sense a pseudo-random number generator is. Another way to mathematically characterize the die would be to create a detailed physics model of a plastic icosahedron falling onto a table, such that it would be possible to render a die coming up randomly as a computer-generated image. This model would not tell you exactly what face {{em\|your}} die will land on, but it would have a lot to say about the general process of {{em\|any}} die landing on {{em\|any}} face. This "[[E:Blender (3D modeling program)\|Blender]] model" is the kind of determinism this entry is meant to describe. "Lambda-calculus determinism" is the concept of a mathematical function that specifies the overall process of how something happens and produces a result, randomized or not, but does not specify what result is going to happen to any specific, unique real-world object without knowing the initial conditions of that object.

	Within [[E:lambda calculus\|lambda calculus]], this mathematical-function-style determinism is the process used to define all mathematical functions and all operators, and effectively reconstruct {{em\|all of math}}. To define "2 + 2", lambda calculus first defines what "2" is and then what "+" is: "2" remains "2" when it passes through an [[E:identity function\|identity function]], the natural number "2" is a set of "{{TTS\|tts=ones\|1s}}" incremented from each other, "1" can be exclusively defined as as an identity function incremented into one, and "plus" can be trickily defined as incrementing a lot of ones repeatedly. Everything in lambda calculus conceptually comes from functions, including variables; a basic identity function gives the ability to add variables to all functions.		Within [[E:lambda calculus\|lambda calculus]], this mathematical-function-style determinism is the process used to define all mathematical functions and all operators, and effectively reconstruct {{em\|all of math}}. To define "2 + 2", lambda calculus first defines what "2" is and then what "+" is: "2" remains "2" when it passes through an [[E:identity function\|identity function]], the natural number "2" is a set of "{{TTS\|tts=ones\|1s}}" incremented from each other, "1" can be exclusively defined as an identity function incremented into one, and "plus" can be trickily defined as incrementing a lot of ones repeatedly. Everything in lambda calculus conceptually comes from functions, including variables; a basic identity function gives the ability to add variables to all functions.

	In this sense, it is possible to conceptualize all of math and all of physics through the lens of lambda calculus. Even the most complicated physics equation is ultimately one big pile of functions, and thus, without any requirement to be able to predict every die roll or the entire development of the whole universe, every physics equation is formed out of {{i\|mathematical determinism}}.		In this sense, it is possible to conceptualize all of math and all of physics through the lens of lambda calculus. Even the most complicated physics equation is ultimately one big pile of functions, and thus, without any requirement to be able to predict every die roll or the entire development of the whole universe, every physics equation is formed out of {{i\|mathematical determinism}}.

	Outside mathematics — for instance, within [[:Category:Marxism ontology\|Marxist]] philosophy — this concept of limited determinism may be referred to as "necessity". <dfn>Necessity</dfn> refers to general observations that causal factors and processes within the material world lead to partially predictable results. Nonetheless, you may see traditional philosophers oppose "necessity" against "freedom" exactly the way they do with "determinism", partly due to the problem that philosophy does not understand the difference between [[E:absolute determinism\|absolute]] and [[E:necessity (mathematics)\|limited]] determinism. ~~<del>This is nonsense.</del>~~ This is not considered a problem in [[E:meta-Marxism\|meta-Marxism]], where [[E:general-sense historical materialism\|general-sense historical materialism]] makes use of [[E:relativistic determinism\|~~relativistic determinism~~]] to bridge the gap between the observed physical world and localized seas of seemingly-deterministic objects. [[E:Quantum mechanics is secretly a science of ordinary stochastic processes\|Seemingly]]-indeterministic quantum processes are the [[E:Determinism can form out of non-deterministic elements\|substrate]] for predictable, traditionally-deterministic Newtonian processes. To some extent it can be argued that "determinism" and "indeterminism" [[E:superdeterminism\|are actually the same indistinguishable thing]], and it is only the arbitrary labels that individual perceiving humans put onto physics that make any of this confusing. Lambda calculus and mathematical functions are helpful tools for making this concept clearer, because they show how a process can be predictable overall despite random elements going into it and altering the outcome.		Outside mathematics — for instance, within [[:Category:Marxism ontology\|Marxist]] philosophy — this concept of limited determinism may be referred to as "necessity". <dfn>Necessity</dfn> refers to general observations that causal factors and processes within the material world lead to partially predictable results. Nonetheless, you may see traditional philosophers oppose "necessity" against "freedom" exactly the way they do with "determinism", partly due to the problem that philosophy does not understand the difference between [[E:absolute determinism\|absolute]] and [[E:necessity (mathematics)\|limited]] determinism. This is not considered a problem in [[E:meta-Marxism\|meta-Marxism]], where [[E:general-sense historical materialism\|general-sense historical materialism]] makes use of [[E:relativistic determinism\|patterns from special relativity]] to bridge the gap between the observed physical world and localized seas of seemingly-deterministic objects. [[E:Quantum mechanics is secretly a science of ordinary stochastic processes\|Seemingly]]-indeterministic quantum processes are the [[E:Determinism can form out of non-deterministic elements\|substrate]] for predictable, traditionally-deterministic Newtonian processes. To some extent it can be argued that "determinism" and "indeterminism" [[E:superdeterminism\|are actually the same indistinguishable thing]], and it is only the arbitrary labels that individual perceiving humans put onto physics that make any of this confusing. Lambda calculus and mathematical functions are helpful tools for making this concept clearer, because they show how a process can be predictable overall despite random elements going into it and altering the outcome.

	== Usage notes ==		== Usage notes ==

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2025-12-27T10:41:32Z

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	\|class={{{class\|field_mdem}}} manual flag\|PPPA2={{{1\|}}}\|sense={{{2\|}}} ~~<!-- three braces: changeable arguments -->~~		\|class={{{class\|field_mdem}}} manual flag\|PPPA2={{{1\|}}}\|sense={{{2\|}}}\|field={{{field\|}}}\|note={{{note\|}}}
	\| PPPA = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}		\| PPPA = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}
	\| en = determinism		\| en = determinism \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=ひつぜんろん\|必然論}} }}
	\| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=ひつぜんろん\|必然論}} }}		\| area = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}\|{{{area\|}}}
	\| ~~field~~ = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}		\| en = physics \| ja = 数学 }}
	\| en = physics		\| ins = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}\|{{{ins\|}}}
	\| ja = 数学 }}		\| en = physics \| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=すうがく\|数学}} }}
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	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==

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2025-12-27T09:29:16Z

bug: EditionSense not really working, simplify

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	\| field = ~~{{#if:{{{field\|}}}\|{{{field\|}}}\|~~{{label\|{{{lang\|}}}		\| field = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}
	\| en = physics		\| en = physics
	\| ja = 数学 }}}}		\| ja = 数学 }}
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	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==

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2025-12-27T08:33:51Z

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	{{WaveBuildNone\| -- \| -- \| -- }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? ?? -->		{{WaveBuildNone\| {{E:Q22,28}} \| -- \| -- }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? ?? -->
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	\| ja = 必然論 }}		\| ja = {{TTS\|lang=ja\|tts=ひつぜんろん\|必然論}} }}
	\| field = {{#if:{{{field\|}}}\|{{{field\|}}}\|{{label\|{{{lang\|}}}		\| field = {{#if:{{{field\|}}}\|{{{field\|}}}\|{{label\|{{{lang\|}}}
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2025-12-27T06:08:59Z

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	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q22,28}} \| [[E:determinism (physics)]] }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q22,28}} \| {{E:Q22,28/HZ}} \| [[E:determinism (physics)]] }} <!-- en: necessity (physics) -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| [[E:lambda-calculus determinism\|lambda-calculus determinism]] \| mathematical function determinism \| necessity (process of individual things being determined by laws of behavior and surrounding conditions) }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| [[E:lambda-calculus determinism\|lambda-calculus determinism]] \| mathematical function determinism \| necessity (process of individual things being determined by laws of behavior and surrounding conditions) }}
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Background

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	== ~~[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/900\|Prototype]] notes~~ ==		== Background ==

	~~<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean">~~		Between philosophy and the sciences, the word "determinism" can refer to very different things. Philosophy typically assumes that determinism is a question which cannot be empirically characterized and things must be described as [[E:absolute determinism\|determined]] or [[E:Free will\|un-determined]] before there is any theory of how to know that. Mathematics and physics have more fine-grained ways of describing determinism. For any specific object, such as a [[E:twenty-sided die\|twenty-sided die]], it is possible to use mathematics to enumerate {{em\|how}} predictable or unpredictable the object is. For instance, one could roll a die to write down a sequence of numbers and term the sequence of numbers <dfn>pseudo-random</dfn>. The real die is <dfn>actually random</dfn>, but read the same set of die results over and over starting over at the beginning, and the term that would come to mind is that it is simply <dfn>uncorrelated</dfn> on a statistical plot or line graph of numbers in the same sense a pseudo-random number generator is. Another way to mathematically characterize the die would be to create a detailed physics model of an plastic icosahedron falling onto a table, such that it would be possible to render a die coming up randomly as a computer-generated image. This model would not tell you exactly what face {{em\|your}} die will land on, but it would have a lot to say about the general process of {{em\|any}} die landing on {{em\|any}} face. This "[[E:Blender (3D modeling program)\|Blender]] model" is the kind of determinism this entry is meant to describe. "Lambda-calculus determinism" is the concept of a mathematical function that specifies the overall process of how something happens and produces a result, randomized or not, but does not specify what result is going to happen to any specific, unique real-world object without knowing the initial conditions of that object.
	~~</li><li class="field_mdem" data-qid="22~~,28" ~~value=~~"~~2228" data-dimension="S">lambda-calculus~~ determinism -~~> for some weird reason people always assume that determinism equals Calvinism, where~~ there is ~~one set~~ of ~~conditions~~ that ~~lead to a single ending, rather than determinism itself being the path from a million initial conditions to a million associated endings~~. ~~this is the intuitive definition~~ of determinism ~~if you've studied enough Newtonian mechanics~~: ~~if a ball and a ramp start in one particular position they end up in one particular place but~~ it ~~always depends on what position they started in which~~ is ~~not necessarily controllable by an experimenter in~~ the ~~context of daily life~~. ~~if you start with this definition of determinism you see it is no existential threat~~ to a ~~bunch~~ of ~~individuals floating around making decisions~~ and ~~having some set~~ of ~~processes they struggle to describe and label as Free Will; if determinism~~ is ~~discovered and people become "robots" then no aspect of human experience has been lost.~~<br />
	~~said another way: determinism is when there is an uncontrollable variable "x", similar to a person, or an unknown quantity of water, or a tennis ball of unknown mass~~, but ~~you know what~~ the ~~"x" object is going to do even if you don't know exactly how. x goes into~~ the ~~lambda-calculus style function~~, and it ~~pops out some wide array of possibilities based~~ on ~~the wide array~~ of ~~possibilities that go~~ in — a ~~graph~~ of ~~stuff looking like~~ a ~~curve or~~ a ~~filled shape or~~ a ~~volume~~, ~~not~~ a ~~single point, describing~~ the ~~outcome~~. ~~the presence of two objects~~ "~~x" and "y" doesn't change this, it just creates a 3d graph z = f~~(~~x,y~~) ~~containing a bounded cube~~ of ~~possibilities rather than a bounded square~~. ~~the top thing to ask people who want to deny~~ "~~cube~~ determinism" is~~, do you want people to be able to infinitely deny that there is a possibility they will have to stop being racist, or would you be okay with~~ the ~~possibility~~ of a ~~world where them choosing to stop being racist is inevitable? if~~ that ~~possibility or~~ the ~~possibility~~ of ~~finding it inside the bounded cube sounds good to you~~, ~~certainly that doesn't make "cube determinism" a known fact about reality~~, but it does ~~mean you should investigate it~~.

	~~</li><li class=~~"~~field_mdem~~" ~~data-qid=~~"~~22,28~~" ~~value=~~"~~2228~~" ~~data-dimension=~~"S"~~>必然論~~ [~~https~~:~~//kotobank.jp/word/%E5%BF%85%E7%84%B6%E8%AB%96-610884~~] ~~-> so apparently in~~ the ~~Japanese language it's more common to use the word~~ "~~necessity~~" ~~for this than~~ "~~determinism~~"~~. do I pick my words weirdly? I know for sure I do~~, ~~but I also know that across English language texts people will use like five totally different words from different academic departments to say the same thing. I don't think you~~ can ~~ever get around the difficulty of differentiating underlying concepts with words by picking~~ "~~more correct words~~".~~<br />~~		Within [[E:lambda calculus\|lambda calculus]], this mathematical-function-style determinism is the process used to define all mathematical functions and all operators, and effectively reconstruct {{em\|all of math}}. To define "2 + 2", lambda calculus first defines what "2" is and then what "+" is: "2" remains "2" when it passes through an [[E:identity function\|identity function]], the natural number "2" is a set of "{{TTS\|tts=ones\|1s}}" incremented from each other, "1" can be exclusively defined as as an identity function incremented into one, and "plus" can be trickily defined as incrementing a lot of ones repeatedly. Everything in lambda calculus conceptually comes from functions, including variables; a basic identity function gives the ability to add variables to all functions.
	~~必然論 (数学) + special relativity / 特殊相対論 = relativistic determinism~~

	~~</li></ol>~~		In this sense, it is possible to conceptualize all of math and all of physics through the lens of lambda calculus. Even the most complicated physics equation is ultimately one big pile of functions, and thus, without any requirement to be able to predict every die roll or the entire development of the whole universe, every physics equation is formed out of {{i\|mathematical determinism}}.

	~~== Background ==~~		Outside mathematics — for instance, within [[:Category:Marxism ontology\|Marxist]] philosophy — this concept of limited determinism may be referred to as "necessity". <dfn>Necessity</dfn> refers to general observations that causal factors and processes within the material world lead to partially predictable results. Nonetheless, you may see traditional philosophers oppose "necessity" against "freedom" exactly the way they do with "determinism", partly due to the problem that philosophy does not understand the difference between [[E:absolute determinism\|absolute]] and [[E:necessity (mathematics)\|limited]] determinism. <del>This is nonsense.</del> This is not considered a problem in [[E:meta-Marxism\|meta-Marxism]], where [[E:general-sense historical materialism\|general-sense historical materialism]] makes use of [[E:relativistic determinism\|relativistic determinism]] to bridge the gap between the observed physical world and localized seas of seemingly-deterministic objects. [[E:Quantum mechanics is secretly a science of ordinary stochastic processes\|Seemingly]]-indeterministic quantum processes are the [[E:Determinism can form out of non-deterministic elements\|substrate]] for predictable, traditionally-deterministic Newtonian processes. To some extent it can be argued that "determinism" and "indeterminism" [[E:superdeterminism\|are actually the same indistinguishable thing]], and it is only the arbitrary labels that individual perceiving humans put onto physics that make any of this confusing. Lambda calculus and mathematical functions are helpful tools for making this concept clearer, because they show how a process can be predictable overall despite random elements going into it and altering the outcome.

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			* church numerals: https://pages.github.khoury.northeastern.edu/sholtzen/cs4400-fall24/lecture-notes/lecture-7/lecture-7.pdf
			* plus: https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~horwitz/CS704-NOTES/2.LAMBDA-CALCULUS-PART2.html
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