Ontology:Q22,45 - Revision history

Reversedragon: clean up aliases

2025-07-27T09:32:13Z

clean up aliases

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	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\| {{E:Q22,45}} }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\| {{E:Q22,45}} }}
	{{HueClaim \|EP=PPPA~~\| State businesses only [[E:HandFreeWillToStalin\|hand Free Will to Stalin]]~~ \| State businesses are bad because they only shift the locus of Free Will to the state-business-owning structure }}		{{HueClaim \|EP=PPPA\| State businesses are bad because they only shift the locus of Free Will to the state-business-owning structure \| (... [[E:Q22,45/PPPA\|fuller list of aliases]]) }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->

Reversedragon: Prototype notes - use hue list

2025-07-27T09:24:32Z

Prototype notes - use hue list

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	{{HueRoster\|EP=P4\| -- }} <!-- en: instance of -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P4\| -- }} <!-- en: instance of -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P5\| -- }} <!-- en: superset of -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P5\| -- }} <!-- en: superset of -->
	{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| world of Alert + state businesses are incorrect {{=}} this. I feel like this is one of people's biggest objections against Bolshevism, and argument for why it's "beyond the end of history in the hyper-future". deep down they think the only problem with capitalism is that owners have hoarded all the Free Will, while if workers had some of the Free Will everything would be okay. in reality.... that is not how anything works. in the real world, putting all the businesses into one structure, or even doing the absolute bare minimum of forcing all people to be part of one government instead of multiple governments of multiple capitalisms, actually opens up new routes for giving individuals agency. the Soviet Union was constantly using "proper channels" to fire its managers. the people of China periodically launch complaints on or fire their bureaucrats; literally you can create [[E:Deng Xiaoping Thought\|Marxism without Bolshevism]] and it works better than Liberal-republicanism. there is a specific reason people like this even though it's wrong. they're looking at things from a "world of Alert" point of view where because individuals exist at such a small scale of reality they think people at all joining up into a bigger structure to protect them from capitalists is senseless. they just cannot imagine why a bunch of workers would join into a country to guard against First World capitalists and their capitalists when otherwise everybody would be suffering horribly off in another land First World people can't see or imagine. the fundamental concept of a proletarian civilization or <i>dictatorship of the proletariat</i> is alien to them. now why is this? well, number one: beneath Liberalism everybody believes in Existentialism or anarchism, where everything about a civilization starts at individual Free Will and the "social construction" of individual choices. number two: much of the United States is fundamentally structured as [[E:polyartisanal production]]. }}
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			== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|Prototype]] notes ==

			<ol class="hue clean">
			</li><li class="field_trotsky" value="2245" data-dimension="S2">State businesses only [[E:HandFreeWillToStalin\|hand free will to Stalin]] / State businesses are bad because they only shift the locus of Free Will to the state-business-owning structure -> world of Alert + state businesses are incorrect = this. I feel like this is one of people's biggest objections against Bolshevism, and argument for why it's "beyond the end of history in the hyper-future". deep down they think the only problem with capitalism is that owners have hoarded all the Free Will, while if workers had some of the Free Will everything would be okay. in reality.... that is not how anything works. in the real world, putting all the businesses into one structure, or even doing the absolute bare minimum of forcing all people to be [[E:party-nation\|part of one government]] instead of multiple governments of multiple capitalisms, actually opens up new routes for giving individuals agency. the Soviet Union was constantly using "proper channels" to fire its managers. the people of China periodically launch complaints on or fire their bureaucrats; literally you can create [[E:Deng Xiaoping Thought\|Marxism without Bolshevism]] and it works better than Liberal-republicanism. there is a specific reason people like this concept even though it's wrong. they're looking at things from a "[[E:world of Alert\|world of Alert]]" point of view where because individuals exist at such a small scale of reality they think people ever joining up into a bigger structure to protect them from capitalists is senseless. they just cannot imagine why a bunch of workers would join into a country to guard against First World capitalists and their capitalists when otherwise everybody would be suffering horribly off in another land First World people can't see or imagine. the fundamental concept of a proletarian civilization or <i>dictatorship of the proletariat</i> is alien to them. now why is this? well, number one: beneath Liberalism everybody believes in Existentialism or anarchism, where everything about a civilization starts at individual Free Will and the "social construction" of individual choices. number two: much of the United States is fundamentally structured as [[E:polyartisanal production\|polyartisanal production]]. everything is built in this way where all individuals constantly have to make choices even if that doesn't truly give them any freedom and only gives them responsibility; capitalists are constantly making choices and experts and contractors are constantly making choices. this leaves people totally blind to the concept that giant capitalists could have more decision-making power than they have and big corporations could be puppeting the republic as its real subunits. the first thing that should be done about this is to stop telling anybody about "the bourgeoisie" as a cloud of individual people and instead change the entire rhetoric to "corporations as whole structures have decision-making power and you don't, while Jeff Bezos directly owns and immediately makes use of the decision-making power you don't have — this doesn't mean you can break up corporations, this means Bezos makes three moves on the chess board for every move you make, and he will do terrible things to you before you even get to fire him". this is the basic solution to the "Spanishness Office" problem: tell people where the major Spanishness Offices are, declare that they will never go away before tragedy comes, and that it's necessary to not just "break them up" and choppify them to pieces but solidly and consistently stand against them for what will feel like a very very long time in Existentialist years. any fallacy as stupid as this one leaves me so possessed to write everything in "[[E:upgoer five\|upgoer five]]". not because I think people are actually stupid but because I am just so tired of it being hard to communicate easy concepts to people and I <em>wish</em> making things easier to understand was as simple as writing easier sentences. ever felt that way?? anyway. people standing together in support of a proletarian civilization should not be complicated. and it actually only gets less complicated once you've finally untangled Western Marxism and the "Whiteness" debate and what Spanishness Offices are. there's a super clear incentive for the most stuffy, academic member of the petty bourgeoisie to side with proletarian civilization. but people are blinded from that because they're so damn obsessed with Free Will and Free Will being one of the fundamental mechanisms of society. that's the big hurdle, that's the giant leap, that's it. we practically know what the task of our "upgoer five" is, it's just a matter of getting through [[E:rocket science (Western Marxism)\|the real rocket science]] and writing up the diagrams. preferably easy ones.
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	== Usage notes ==		== Usage notes ==

Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology:Q2245 to Ontology:Q22,45: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2025-07-26T22:20:23Z

Reversedragon moved page Ontology:Q2245 to Ontology:Q22,45: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: copy or update fake Item from Q2223

2025-07-26T22:20:10Z

copy or update fake Item from Q2223

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== Core characteristics ==

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueClaim |P=item type| {{Template:S2}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L| {{E:Q22,45}} }}
{{HueClaim |EP=PPPA| State businesses only [[E:HandFreeWillToStalin|hand Free Will to Stalin]] | State businesses are bad because they only shift the locus of Free Will to the state-business-owning structure }}
{{HueRoster|EP=P42| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P56| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P3| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P4| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P5| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| world of Alert + state businesses are incorrect {{=}} this. I feel like this is one of people's biggest objections against Bolshevism, and argument for why it's "beyond the end of history in the hyper-future". deep down they think the only problem with capitalism is that owners have hoarded all the Free Will, while if workers had some of the Free Will everything would be okay. in reality.... that is not how anything works. in the real world, putting all the businesses into one structure, or even doing the absolute bare minimum of forcing all people to be part of one government instead of multiple governments of multiple capitalisms, actually opens up new routes for giving individuals agency. the Soviet Union was constantly using "proper channels" to fire its managers. the people of China periodically launch complaints on or fire their bureaucrats; literally you can create [[E:Deng Xiaoping Thought|Marxism without Bolshevism]] and it works better than Liberal-republicanism. there is a specific reason people like this even though it's wrong. they're looking at things from a "world of Alert" point of view where because individuals exist at such a small scale of reality they think people at all joining up into a bigger structure to protect them from capitalists is senseless. they just cannot imagine why a bunch of workers would join into a country to guard against First World capitalists and their capitalists when otherwise everybody would be suffering horribly off in another land First World people can't see or imagine. the fundamental concept of a proletarian civilization or <i>dictatorship of the proletariat</i> is alien to them. now why is this? well, number one: beneath Liberalism everybody believes in Existentialism or anarchism, where everything about a civilization starts at individual Free Will and the "social construction" of individual choices. number two: much of the United States is fundamentally structured as [[E:polyartisanal production]]. }}
</dl>

=== Components ===

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueRoster|P=model combines claims| -- }}
</dl>

=== Use in thesis portals ===

<dl class="wikitable hue">
{{HueRoster|EP=P14| -- }}
</dl>

== Wavebuilder combinations ==

<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
{{WaveBuildNone| -- | -- | -- }} 
</dl>

== Usage notes ==

[[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]