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	The other major angle from which we can investigate why this claim keeps being repeated is from within the social structure of Toryism. Reading through various alarmist headlines and reports on the "dangers" of progressivism, we can see some common themes. Many Tory-style writings present conspiracy theories of how transgender identity will cause any number of other real or hypothetical phenomena to "infect" society. Some conspiracy theories claim that the emergence of transgender identity will eventually lead to a Communist revolution. Other conspiracy theories take a more direct route and posit that the emergence of transgender identity is the crack in reality that will lead up to the age of [[redlink - book of Revelation\|Revelation]] and the reign of Satan. The sooner you begin looking through Tory conspiracy theories which do not mention "biology" the sooner you will begin to realize that "biology" was not important and the meat of the argument always had a lot more to do with the end of normalcy and the daily operation of whole civilizations or populations. The "Communist revolution" explanation and the "Satan" explanation have an important commonality: Tories have an understanding that they exist as [[redlink - population-society / Social-Philosophical-Material System\|a material object consisting of living individuals who eat and occupy space but are tightly linked into a graph]]. The thing that terrifies them deep down is losing any people from this graph or watching the graph crack apart into a bunch of smaller graphs. If somebody comes out as transgender and then moves to a city of progressive people and stops talking to them, or 100 people start a localized union and and stop keeping up the façade that they agree people handed them a job because <i>a town is a socially-linked group of friends</i> and the two were <i>such good friends</i>, these things are terrifying. Thus, Tories fall back to familiar old statements from generations ago they memorized and instantly begin denouncing anyone who threatens to break up the socially-linked graph of Tories as morally Bad. It doesn't actually matter what anyone's biological sex is or isn't, because the "science" Tories are actually in search of is a science of keeping graphs of thousands or millions of people linked together into a demographic identity despite Liberal-republicanism being designed to outlaw enduring social structures and constantly tear social ties apart.		The other major angle from which we can investigate why this claim keeps being repeated is from within the social structure of Toryism. Reading through various alarmist headlines and reports on the "dangers" of progressivism, we can see some common themes. Many Tory-style writings present conspiracy theories of how transgender identity will cause any number of other real or hypothetical phenomena to "infect" society. Some conspiracy theories claim that the emergence of transgender identity will eventually lead to a Communist revolution. Other conspiracy theories take a more direct route and posit that the emergence of transgender identity is the crack in reality that will lead up to the age of [[redlink - book of Revelation\|Revelation]] and the reign of Satan. The sooner you begin looking through Tory conspiracy theories which do not mention "biology" the sooner you will begin to realize that "biology" was not important and the meat of the argument always had a lot more to do with the end of normalcy and the daily operation of whole civilizations or populations. The "Communist revolution" explanation and the "Satan" explanation have an important commonality: Tories have an understanding that they exist as [[redlink - population-society / Social-Philosophical-Material System\|a material object consisting of living individuals who eat and occupy space but are tightly linked into a graph]]. The thing that terrifies them deep down is losing any people from this graph or watching the graph crack apart into a bunch of smaller graphs. If somebody comes out as transgender and then moves to a city of progressive people and stops talking to them, or 100 people start a localized union and and stop keeping up the façade that they agree people handed them a job because <i>a town is a socially-linked group of friends</i> and the two were <i>such good friends</i>, these things are terrifying. Thus, Tories fall back to familiar old statements from generations ago they memorized and instantly begin denouncing anyone who threatens to break up the socially-linked graph of Tories as morally Bad. It doesn't actually matter what anyone's biological sex is or isn't, because the "science" Tories are actually in search of is a science of keeping graphs of thousands or millions of people linked together into a demographic identity despite Liberal-republicanism being designed to outlaw enduring social structures and constantly tear social ties apart.

	With all this in mind, when we examine the actual origin of the incorrect claim it opens up a concerning dilemma. If transgender people actually do exist — as is the case — but Tories expel them from socially-linked subpopulations of Tories and make them live somewhere else, does this in effect create a world where the incorrect claim becomes factually true? If all the transgender people move out of a particular population, then nobody in the population is transgender. The local culture and ontological model of the world held by [[redlink - Social-Graph System\|any particular population]] depends partly on what people are currently socially linked together inside that population. Thus, a town of Tories containing no transgender people will look around at all the people in three towns of Tories containing no transgender people and declare the statement "nobody is transgender" to be factually true. In the same vein, there could be 500 Trotskyite conspirators in the Soviet Union that, in the middle of a sea of millions of people in support of Stalin's government, look around at the 500 other Trotskyite conspirators and declare the statement "nobody is in favor of Stalin's government" to be true. The statement should not be true, particularly if the whole Soviet population of over a million people were allowed to evaluate it, but because propositions are always evaluated and understood within specific human populations, it becomes trivial to simply cut the world into a smaller population of people discussing the proposition in order to declare that the statement <em>is</em> always true. Should people be allowed to craft the borders of the populations they live in simply to control what's true? Is it worth trying to integrate transgender people back into populations that clearly hate them and which they wouldn't want to return to? If you don't torment transgender people and strip them of their humanity by sending them to live with bigots do the bigots win? Or do the bigots win more when that does happen?		With all this in mind, when we examine the actual origin of the incorrect claim it opens up a concerning dilemma. If transgender people actually do exist — as is the case — but Tories expel them from socially-linked subpopulations of Tories and make them live somewhere else, does this in effect create a world where the incorrect claim [[Ontology:Q3690\|becomes factually true]]? If all the transgender people move out of a particular population, then nobody in the population is transgender. The local culture and ontological model of the world held by [[redlink - Social-Graph System\|any particular population]] depends partly on what people are currently socially linked together inside that population. Thus, a town of Tories containing no transgender people will look around at all the people in three towns of Tories containing no transgender people and declare the statement "nobody is transgender" to be factually true. In the same vein, there could be 500 Trotskyite conspirators in the Soviet Union that, in the middle of a sea of millions of people in support of Stalin's government, look around at the 500 other Trotskyite conspirators and declare the statement "nobody is in favor of Stalin's government" to be true. The statement should not be true, particularly if the whole Soviet population of over a million people were allowed to evaluate it, but because propositions are always evaluated and understood within specific human populations, it becomes trivial to simply cut the world into a smaller population of people discussing the proposition in order to declare that the statement <em>is</em> always true. Should people be allowed to craft the borders of the populations they live in simply to control what's true? Is it worth trying to integrate transgender people back into populations that clearly hate them and which they wouldn't want to return to? If you don't torment transgender people and strip them of their humanity by sending them to live with bigots do the bigots win? Or do the bigots win more when that does happen?

	The only thing that's clearly true about gender identity education is that it will never actually succeed unless we start [[Ontology:Q92\|considering]] Tory populations and progressive populations containing no Tories to each be [[redlink - population-society\|separate societies]] hidden inside a larger [[redlink - Liberal republic\|asocial apparatus]] claiming to be a society.		The only thing that's clearly true about gender identity education is that it will never actually succeed unless we start [[Ontology:Q92\|considering]] Tory populations and progressive populations containing no Tories to each be [[redlink - population-society\|separate societies]] hidden inside a larger [[redlink - Liberal republic\|asocial apparatus]] claiming to be a society.

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			== Usage notes ==

			This claim is demonstrably false in the real world, but is still really widespread throughout some First-World countries. It is still common to see a lot of [[redlink - Q??88 Toryism - top level category\|Tory]]-type candidates and radio shows which purport to be delivering news declare that [[redlink - Trotskyist propositions?\|"the truth" is being suppressed]] and the actual facts on gender identity and sexual orientation are the misinformation. Why exactly is this?

			When asked why exactly Tory types do not want to become educated about gender identity, [[redlink - center-Liberalism\|center-Liberal]] progressives tend to give an unbelievably [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology\|Existentialist]] answer to the question. You are likely to hear the assertions that [[redlink\|existence itself is literally a fact]], [[redlink\|knowledge is a made-up social construct everybody agrees to]], and [[redlink\|coming into contact with other groups of people automatically removes people's prejudices]]. These kinds of models have a number of problems with them, all of which are relatively subtle and difficult to notice at first. Regardless of how strange they may sound to some people who have never worked with these particular frameworks, all of these propositions tend to be propositions that are true in at least <em>some circumstance</em> whether or not they are the most appropriate explanation for people becoming educated about gender identity. This is to say that <i>criticizing</i> or <i>falsifying</i> these claims to uncover better models which would be easier to communicate to ordinary people will not be an easy task.

			The other major angle from which we can investigate why this claim keeps being repeated is from within the social structure of Toryism. Reading through various alarmist headlines and reports on the "dangers" of progressivism, we can see some common themes. Many Tory-style writings present conspiracy theories of how transgender identity will cause any number of other real or hypothetical phenomena to "infect" society. Some conspiracy theories claim that the emergence of transgender identity will eventually lead to a Communist revolution. Other conspiracy theories take a more direct route and posit that the emergence of transgender identity is the crack in reality that will lead up to the age of [[redlink - book of Revelation\|Revelation]] and the reign of Satan. The sooner you begin looking through Tory conspiracy theories which do not mention "biology" the sooner you will begin to realize that "biology" was not important and the meat of the argument always had a lot more to do with the end of normalcy and the daily operation of whole civilizations or populations. The "Communist revolution" explanation and the "Satan" explanation have an important commonality: Tories have an understanding that they exist as [[redlink - population-society / Social-Philosophical-Material System\|a material object consisting of living individuals who eat and occupy space but are tightly linked into a graph]]. The thing that terrifies them deep down is losing any people from this graph or watching the graph crack apart into a bunch of smaller graphs. If somebody comes out as transgender and then moves to a city of progressive people and stops talking to them, or 100 people start a localized union and and stop keeping up the façade that they agree people handed them a job because <i>a town is a socially-linked group of friends</i> and the two were <i>such good friends</i>, these things are terrifying. Thus, Tories fall back to familiar old statements from generations ago they memorized and instantly begin denouncing anyone who threatens to break up the socially-linked graph of Tories as morally Bad. It doesn't actually matter what anyone's biological sex is or isn't, because the "science" Tories are actually in search of is a science of keeping graphs of thousands or millions of people linked together into a demographic identity despite Liberal-republicanism being designed to outlaw enduring social structures and constantly tear social ties apart.

			With all this in mind, when we examine the actual origin of the incorrect claim it opens up a concerning dilemma. If transgender people actually do exist — as is the case — but Tories expel them from socially-linked subpopulations of Tories and make them live somewhere else, does this in effect create a world where the incorrect claim becomes factually true? If all the transgender people move out of a particular population, then nobody in the population is transgender. The local culture and ontological model of the world held by [[redlink - Social-Graph System\|any particular population]] depends partly on what people are currently socially linked together inside that population. Thus, a town of Tories containing no transgender people will look around at all the people in three towns of Tories containing no transgender people and declare the statement "nobody is transgender" to be factually true. In the same vein, there could be 500 Trotskyite conspirators in the Soviet Union that, in the middle of a sea of millions of people in support of Stalin's government, look around at the 500 other Trotskyite conspirators and declare the statement "nobody is in favor of Stalin's government" to be true. The statement should not be true, particularly if the whole Soviet population of over a million people were allowed to evaluate it, but because propositions are always evaluated and understood within specific human populations, it becomes trivial to simply cut the world into a smaller population of people discussing the proposition in order to declare that the statement <em>is</em> always true. Should people be allowed to craft the borders of the populations they live in simply to control what's true? Is it worth trying to integrate transgender people back into populations that clearly hate them and which they wouldn't want to return to? If you don't torment transgender people and strip them of their humanity by sending them to live with bigots do the bigots win? Or do the bigots win more when that does happen?

			The only thing that's clearly true about gender identity education is that it will never actually succeed unless we start [[Ontology:Q92\|considering]] Tory populations and progressive populations containing no Tories to each be [[redlink - population-society\|separate societies]] hidden inside a larger [[redlink - Liberal republic\|asocial apparatus]] claiming to be a society.


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	The other major angle from which we can investigate why this claim keeps being repeated is from within the social structure of Toryism. Reading through various alarmist headlines and reports on the "dangers" of progressivism, we can see some common themes. Many Tory-style writings present conspiracy theories of how transgender identity will cause any number of other real or hypothetical phenomena to "infect" society. Some conspiracy theories claim that the emergence of transgender identity will eventually lead to a Communist revolution. Other conspiracy theories take a more direct route and posit that the emergence of transgender identity is the crack in reality that will lead up to the age of [[redlink - book of Revelation\|Revelation]] and the reign of Satan. The sooner you begin looking through Tory conspiracy theories which do not mention "biology" the sooner you will begin to realize that "biology" was not important and the meat of the argument always had a lot more to do with the end of normalcy and the daily operation of whole civilizations or populations. The "Communist revolution" explanation and the "Satan" explanation have an important commonality: Tories have an understanding that they exist as [[redlink - population-society / Social-Philosophical-Material System\|a material object consisting of living individuals who eat and occupy space but are tightly linked into a graph]]. The thing that terrifies them deep down is losing any people from this graph or watching the graph crack apart into a bunch of smaller graphs. If somebody comes out as transgender and then moves to a city of progressive people and stops talking to them, or 100 people start a localized union and and stop keeping up the façade that they agree people handed them a job because <i>a town is a socially-linked group of friends</i> and the two were <i>such good friends</i>, these things are terrifying. Thus, Tories fall back to familiar old statements from generations ago they memorized and instantly begin denouncing anyone who threatens to break up the socially-linked graph of Tories as morally Bad. It doesn't actually matter what anyone's biological sex is or isn't, because the "science" Tories are actually in search of is a science of keeping graphs of thousands or millions of people linked together into a demographic identity despite Liberal-republicanism being designed to outlaw enduring social structures and constantly tear social ties apart.		The other major angle from which we can investigate why this claim keeps being repeated is from within the social structure of Toryism. Reading through various alarmist headlines and reports on the "dangers" of progressivism, we can see some common themes. Many Tory-style writings present conspiracy theories of how transgender identity will cause any number of other real or hypothetical phenomena to "infect" society. Some conspiracy theories claim that the emergence of transgender identity will eventually lead to a Communist revolution. Other conspiracy theories take a more direct route and posit that the emergence of transgender identity is the crack in reality that will lead up to the age of [[redlink - book of Revelation\|Revelation]] and the reign of Satan. The sooner you begin looking through Tory conspiracy theories which do not mention "biology" the sooner you will begin to realize that "biology" was not important and the meat of the argument always had a lot more to do with the end of normalcy and the daily operation of whole civilizations or populations. The "Communist revolution" explanation and the "Satan" explanation have an important commonality: Tories have an understanding that they exist as [[redlink - population-society / Social-Philosophical-Material System\|a material object consisting of living individuals who eat and occupy space but are tightly linked into a graph]]. The thing that terrifies them deep down is losing any people from this graph or watching the graph crack apart into a bunch of smaller graphs. If somebody comes out as transgender and then moves to a city of progressive people and stops talking to them, or 100 people start a localized union and and stop keeping up the façade that they agree people handed them a job because <i>a town is a socially-linked group of friends</i> and the two were <i>such good friends</i>, these things are terrifying. Thus, Tories fall back to familiar old statements from generations ago they memorized and instantly begin denouncing anyone who threatens to break up the socially-linked graph of Tories as morally Bad. It doesn't actually matter what anyone's biological sex is or isn't, because the "science" Tories are actually in search of is a science of keeping graphs of thousands or millions of people linked together into a demographic identity despite Liberal-republicanism being designed to outlaw enduring social structures and constantly tear social ties apart.

	With all this in mind, when we examine the actual origin of the incorrect claim it opens up a concerning dilemma. If transgender people actually do exist — as is the case — but Tories expel them from socially-linked subpopulations of Tories and make them live somewhere else, does this in effect create a world where the incorrect claim becomes factually true? If all the transgender people move out of a particular population, then nobody in the population is transgender. The local culture and ontological model of the world held by [[redlink - Social-Graph System\|any particular population]] depends partly on what people are currently socially linked together inside that population. Thus, a town of Tories containing no transgender people will look around at all the people in three towns of Tories containing no transgender people and declare the statement "nobody is transgender" to be factually true. In the same vein, there could be 500 Trotskyite conspirators in the Soviet Union that, in the middle of a sea of millions of people in support of Stalin's government, look around at the 500 other Trotskyite conspirators and declare the statement "nobody is in favor of Stalin's government" to be true. The statement should not be true, particularly if the whole Soviet population of over a million people were allowed to evaluate it, but because propositions are always evaluated and understood within specific human populations, it becomes trivial to simply cut the world into a smaller population of people discussing the proposition in order to declare that the statement <em>is</em> always true. Should people be allowed to craft the borders of the populations they live in simply to control what's true? Is it worth trying to integrate transgender people back into populations that clearly hate them and which they wouldn't want to return to? If you don't torment transgender people and strip them of their humanity by sending them to live with bigots do the bigots win? Or do the bigots win more when that does happen?		With all this in mind, when we examine the actual origin of the incorrect claim it opens up a concerning dilemma. If transgender people actually do exist — as is the case — but Tories expel them from socially-linked subpopulations of Tories and make them live somewhere else, does this in effect create a world where the incorrect claim [[Ontology:Q3690\|becomes factually true]]? If all the transgender people move out of a particular population, then nobody in the population is transgender. The local culture and ontological model of the world held by [[redlink - Social-Graph System\|any particular population]] depends partly on what people are currently socially linked together inside that population. Thus, a town of Tories containing no transgender people will look around at all the people in three towns of Tories containing no transgender people and declare the statement "nobody is transgender" to be factually true. In the same vein, there could be 500 Trotskyite conspirators in the Soviet Union that, in the middle of a sea of millions of people in support of Stalin's government, look around at the 500 other Trotskyite conspirators and declare the statement "nobody is in favor of Stalin's government" to be true. The statement should not be true, particularly if the whole Soviet population of over a million people were allowed to evaluate it, but because propositions are always evaluated and understood within specific human populations, it becomes trivial to simply cut the world into a smaller population of people discussing the proposition in order to declare that the statement <em>is</em> always true. Should people be allowed to craft the borders of the populations they live in simply to control what's true? Is it worth trying to integrate transgender people back into populations that clearly hate them and which they wouldn't want to return to? If you don't torment transgender people and strip them of their humanity by sending them to live with bigots do the bigots win? Or do the bigots win more when that does happen?

	The only thing that's clearly true about gender identity education is that it will never actually succeed unless we start [[Ontology:Q92\|considering]] Tory populations and progressive populations containing no Tories to each be [[redlink - population-society\|separate societies]] hidden inside a larger [[redlink - Liberal republic\|asocial apparatus]] claiming to be a society.		The only thing that's clearly true about gender identity education is that it will never actually succeed unless we start [[Ontology:Q92\|considering]] Tory populations and progressive populations containing no Tories to each be [[redlink - population-society\|separate societies]] hidden inside a larger [[redlink - Liberal republic\|asocial apparatus]] claiming to be a society.