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	* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable ~~Culture~~}}		* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable culture}}
	* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable Culture distinguished by ideology}}		* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable Culture distinguished by ideology}}
	* {{E:Q618/ML\|Marxist organizations are obligated to be for or against Trotskyism}}		* {{E:Q618/ML\|Marxist organizations are obligated to be for or against Trotskyism}}
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	{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q40,13}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism has no inherent demographic prejudices}} \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q40,13}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism has no inherent demographic prejudices}} \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->
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			== Wavebuilder characterizations ==

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			{{WaveRoute\| {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable culture}} \| {{E:Q618/IV\|Stalin's government oppressed Trotskyists}} \| {{E:Q40,13}} }} <!-- en: FROM ?? ?? -->
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	<li class="field_mdem" value="4013" data-dimension="S2">... this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist ~~group. this + ?? = Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed~~ group.		<li class="field_mdem" value="4013" data-dimension="S2">... this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group.
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	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==
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	{{HueClaim \|P=item type\| {{Template:S2}} }}		{{HueClaim \|P=item type\| {{Template:S2}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q40,15}} \| [[E:TrotskyIsSafeHere]] }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q40,13}} \| [[E:TrotskyIsSafeHere]] }}
	{{HueClaim \|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| Trotskyist groups are appealing as a place for Trotskyists to safely be Trotskyists }}		{{HueClaim \|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| Trotskyist groups are appealing as a place for Trotskyists to safely be Trotskyists }}
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P3\| -- }} <!-- en: sub-case of -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P3\| -- }} <!-- en: sub-case of -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P4\| ~~meta-Marxist hypothesis~~ [[Category:meta-Marxist hypotheses ontology]] }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P4\| {{E:Q2900}} [[Category:meta-Marxist hypotheses ontology]] }} <!-- en: meta-Marxist hypothesis -->
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P5\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P5\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}
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	=== ~~Components~~ ===		=== Use in thesis portals ===

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	{{HueRoster\|P=~~model combines claims~~\| ~~{{E:Q618/MX\|[S2] Trotskyism is a countable Culture}} }} <!-~~- ~~en: ?~~ -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P14\| -- }} <!-- en: ? -->
	~~{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/MX\|[S2] Trotskyism is a countable Culture distinguished by ideology}}~~ }} <!-- en: ? -->
	~~{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/ML\|[S2] Marxist organizations are obligated to be for or against Trotskyism}} }}~~
	~~{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/ES\|[S2] definition of a safe space}} }}~~
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	==~~= Use in thesis portals~~ ===		== Component claims ==

			<div class="hue">

			* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable Culture}}
			* {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism is a countable Culture distinguished by ideology}}
			* {{E:Q618/ML\|Marxist organizations are obligated to be for or against Trotskyism}}
			* {{E:Q618/ES\|definition of a safe space}}

	~~<dl class="wikitable hue">~~		</div>
	~~{{HueRoster\|P={{E:P14}}\| -- }} <!-- en: ? -->~~
	</dl>

	== Wavebuilder combinations ==		== Wavebuilder combinations ==

	<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
	{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q40,15}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|~~[S2]~~ Trotskyism has no inherent demographic prejudices}} \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q40,13}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|Trotskyism has no inherent demographic prejudices}} \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->
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			== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand/4000\|Prototype]] notes ==

			<ol class="hue clean">
			<li class="field_mdem" value="4013" data-dimension="S2">... this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. this + ?? = Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group.
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	== Usage notes ==		== Usage notes ==
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	{{HueRoster\|P=~~{{E:~~PPPA/L}}\|lang=en\| {{E:Q40,15}} }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=PPPA/L\|lang=en\| {{E:Q40,15}} \| [[E:TrotskyIsSafeHere]] }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=~~{{E:~~PPPA}}\|lang=en\| Trotskyist groups are appealing as a place for Trotskyists to safely be Trotskyists }}		{{HueClaim \|EP=PPPA\|lang=en\| Trotskyist groups are appealing as a place for Trotskyists to safely be Trotskyists }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=~~{{E:~~P42}}\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| -- }} <!-- en: QID references -->
	{{HueRoster\|P=~~{{E:~~P56}}\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->		{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| -- }} <!-- en: color swatch references -->
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	{{HueRoster\|P=~~{{E:~~P4}}\| meta-Marxist hypothesis [[Category:meta-Marxist hypotheses ontology]] }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P4\| meta-Marxist hypothesis [[Category:meta-Marxist hypotheses ontology]] }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=~~{{E:~~P5}}\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P5\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}		{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}

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	{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist ~~group. this + ?? {{=}} Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed~~ group. }}		{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}
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	{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| -- }} <!-- en: ~~Solidarity is strictly optional~~ -->		{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/MX\|[S2] Trotskyism is a countable Culture}} }} <!-- en: ? -->
			{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/MX\|[S2] Trotskyism is a countable Culture distinguished by ideology}} }} <!-- en: ? -->
			{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/ML\|[S2] Marxist organizations are obligated to be for or against Trotskyism}} }}
			{{HueRoster\|P=model combines claims\| {{E:Q618/ES\|[S2] definition of a safe space}} }}
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	== Wavebuilder combinations ==		== Wavebuilder combinations ==

	<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
	{{~~WaveBuildNone~~\| {{E:Q40,15}} \| ?? \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q40,15}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|[S2] Trotskyism has no inherent demographic prejudices}} \| {{E:Q29,45}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group -->
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link: Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group

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	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==
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	=== Falsification criteria ===		=== Falsification criteria ===


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== Core characteristics ==

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{{HueClaim|P={{E:PPPA}}|lang=en| Trotskyist groups are appealing as a place for Trotskyists to safely be Trotskyists }}
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{{HueRoster|P={{E:P56}}| -- }} 
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{{HueRoster|P={{E:P4}}| meta-Marxist hypothesis [[Category:meta-Marxist hypotheses ontology]] }}
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{{HueRoster|P=relevant quote| -- }}
{{HueRoster|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|prototype]] notes| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. this + ?? {{=}} Trotskyism is the prototypical oppressed group. }}
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=== Components ===

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=== Use in thesis portals ===

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== Usage notes ==

=== Falsification criteria ===

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	{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}		{{HueRoster\|P=relevant quote\| -- }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}		{{HueRoster\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| this sounds like a joke until you realize what it actually means, at which point it sounds more reasonable. this is operating on the definition of "safe space" as a Social-Graph System or Social-Philosophical System that people dive into in order to be accepted and not to be questioned on basic facts of their individual identity; under this definition, things such as a Christian church or a Muslim mosque may qualify as a safe space for Christian or Muslim identity, due to the fact that within that space a particular religion is condoned or practiced consistently. thus, this is the claim that Trotskyist groups exist partly to be a loose "congregation" of Trotskyist theorists where Trotskyist theories are condoned and practiced consistently, rather than being rejected from "Stalinist spaces". the Trotskyist theories in question do attempt to do what Marxist theories should do, to unite groups and mobilize workers, yet at the same time, when a group is founded it must explicitly make a choice on whether Trotskyist theories are allowed at all or perhaps preferred, versus whether they are fundamentally rejected from the group. this necessity to either accept or reject people who align with the 1930s Trotskyite conspiracy, or modern Trotskyism, creates a fundamental cultural divide between different Marxist organizations similar to the divide between a Marxist organization in one country versus a Marxist organization in another country, or between a movement for White transgender people inside the United States versus a movement for Black subpopulations inside the United States — Trotskyists are their own countable Culture, as much as Ukrainians are distinct from Russians. the matter of how Trotskyist identity as a countable Culture interacts with "other" demographic identities is not necessarily well understood. there are only two small thoughts I can offer on that: A) look at a British Trotskyist group, and you will probably observe that its members fail to see outside a White, British perspective, for instance often failing to quite understand what is going on for Black subpopulations in the United States and why they frame things the way they do, based on what locally-preferred ideologies (often anarchism or some Fanon-based non-Marxist theory). B) this same problem didn't necessarily exist for Trotsky's circle of people, who at the very least understood Jewish subpopulational struggles, even if they were baffled in their own way by United States racism. so, there are times when Trotskyist identity clashes with racial subpopulation identity, although it does depend on the quality of theorists admitted to a Trotskyist group. }}