Ontology:Q54,40 - Revision history

Reversedragon: update formatting

2026-03-15T19:40:03Z

update formatting

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	{{ArticleTitle\|[S2] When two people have information, everybody has it - ES / Q54,40}}{{Contents\|class=ontology-number}}		{{ArticleTitle\|[F2] When two people have information, everybody has it - ES / Q54,40\|NoContents=y}}{{HueNumberPreview\|E=Q54,40}}<!-- {{Contents\|class=ontology-number}}
	~~{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"~~><li>		--><includeonly><onlyinclude>{{HueEntity\|I=S2/ES\|dimension=F2\|Q=54,40\|sum=1\|quilt=1\|ply=1 <!-- three braces: changeable arguments -->
	<onlyinclude>~~<dfn class~~=~~"field_exstruct manual" data-~~dimension="F2~~" data-qid~~="54,40~~" data~~-~~numbersign~~=~~"200" data-field~~=~~"" data-series~~=~~"" data-work~~=~~"" data-chapter~~=~~"" data-tale~~=~~"" data-object~~=~~"" data~~-~~note~~=~~"" data~~-~~lexeme~~=~~"">~~{{~~IF2~~}}~~[[E:Q54,40~~\|When two people have information, everybody has it~~]]</dfn>~~</onlyinclude>		\|swatch={{{class\|field_exstruct}}}\|class=manual flag\|lang={{{lang\|en}}}\|PPPA2={{{1\|}}}\|sense={{{2\|}}}\|ins={{{3\|}}}\|area={{{area\|}}}\|field={{{field\|}}}\|area-free={{{area-free\|}}}
	</~~li></ol~~><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Q54,40]] -->		\| PPPA = {{label\|{{{lang\|}}}
			\| en = When two people have information, everybody has it }}
			\|numbersign = 404 \|enddfn=1}}</onlyinclude></includeonly><!--
			broken category syntax: \|CL = [[C:meta-Marxist terms]] \|CQ = [[C:meta-Marxism ontology]]
			duplication hint: copy or update fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Q54,40]]] -->

	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==
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	</dl>		</dl>

	== ~~Wavebuilder~~ combinations ==		== Wave<wbr/>builder combinations ==

	<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
	{{WaveBuild\| ~~[S2]~~ No individual object moves faster than a photon \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q5440}} \| {{E:Q618/STM\|No individual object moves faster than a photon}} \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->
	{{WaveBuild\| ~~[S2]~~ Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q5440}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication}} \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->
			</dl>

			== Wave<wbr/>builder characterizations ==

			<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three">
			{{WaveBuild\| -- \| -- \| {{E:Q5440}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? ?? -->
	</dl>		</dl>

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	<dl class="wikitable hue data_motifs">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_motifs">
	{{HueRoster\|EP=P14\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} ~~\|OP=with connotation\| incorrect statement~~ }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P14/MA\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} }}
	</dl>		</dl>


	[[Category:Hue-format fake Items]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]		[[Category:Hue-format fake Items]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]

Reversedragon: page alias: One person is equivalent to the whole population (education)

2026-02-03T02:51:15Z

page alias: One person is equivalent to the whole population (education)

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			{{ArticleTitle\|[S2] When two people have information, everybody has it - ES / Q54,40}}{{Contents\|class=ontology-number}}
	{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>		{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="~~5440~~" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[~~Ontology~~:~~Q5440~~\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> ~~__NOTOC__~~		<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="54,40" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[E:Q54,40\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude>
	</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|~~Ontology:Q5440~~]] -->		</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Q54,40]] -->

	== Core characteristics ==		== Core characteristics ==

	<dl class="wikitable hue">		<dl class="wikitable hue">
	{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}		{{HueClaim \|P=item type\| {{Template:F2}} }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country (spread of information) \| printing press fallacy }}		{{HueClaim \|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country (spread of information) \| [[E:One person is equivalent to the whole population (education)\|One person is equivalent to the whole population (education)]] \| printing press fallacy \| If one million people have watched Dragon Ball, then there must not be a single person who hasn't watched or read it \| Literally everybody must know about the coke and mentos reaction }}
	~~{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)~~\| If one million people have watched Dragon Ball, then there must not be a single person who hasn't watched or read it \| Literally everybody must know about the coke and mentos reaction }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P42\| printing press \| approximate historical date }} <!-- en: QID references -->
	{{HueRoster\|P=~~QID references~~\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P56\| {{E:Q73}} }} <!-- en: color swatch references Existentialist-Structuralist tradition -->
	{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition }}		{{HueClaim \|EP=P4\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }} <!-- en: case of -->
	{{HueClaim\|P=~~instance of~~\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}		{{HueClaim \|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}
	</dl>		</dl>

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	<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">
	{{WaveBuild\| [S2] No individual object moves faster than a photon \| {{~~Ontology~~:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: ~~WITH~~ ?? ~~PRODUCES ??~~ -->		{{WaveBuild\| [S2] No individual object moves faster than a photon \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->
	{{WaveBuild\| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication \| {{~~Ontology~~:Q5441}} }}		{{WaveBuild\| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication \| {{E:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? Q5441 -->
	</dl>		</dl>

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	<dl class="wikitable hue data_motifs">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_motifs">
	{{HueRoster\|P=~~appears in work~~\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} \|OP=with connotation\| incorrect statement }}		{{HueRoster\|EP=P14\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} \|OP=with connotation\| incorrect statement }}
	</dl>		</dl>


	[[Category:~~F2 Factually~~-~~Devoid Claims~~]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]		[[Category:Hue-format fake Items]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]

Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology:Q5440 to Ontology:Q54,40: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-02-03T02:42:57Z

Reversedragon moved page Ontology:Q5440 to Ontology:Q54,40: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: .data_motifs

2025-06-17T11:09:38Z

.data_motifs

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	== Use in thesis portals ==		== Use in thesis portals ==

	<dl class="wikitable hue">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_motifs">
	{{HueRoster\|P=appears in work\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} \|OP=with connotation\| incorrect statement }}		{{HueRoster\|P=appears in work\| {{Ontology:Q19195}} \|OP=with connotation\| incorrect statement }}
	</dl>		</dl>

Reversedragon: combination: No individual object moves faster than a photon

2025-06-13T03:34:23Z

combination: No individual object moves faster than a photon

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	{{HueCSS}}		{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__		<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__
	</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->		</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->

	== ~~Characteristics in draft ==~~		== Core characteristics ==

	~~=== Properties =~~==

	<dl class="wikitable hue">		<dl class="wikitable hue">
	{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}		{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country (spread of information) \| printing press fallacy }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| ~~One~~ person ~~listening is equivalent to~~ the ~~entire population or country (spread of information)~~ }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| If one million people have watched Dragon Ball, then there must not be a single person who hasn't watched or read it \| Literally everybody must know about the coke and mentos reaction }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ~~\| Lacanianism \| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication~~ }}		{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}		{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}		{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}
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	<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">		<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">
	{{WaveBuild\| ~~existential materialism~~ \| {{Ontology:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES ?? -->		{{WaveBuild\| [S2] No individual object moves faster than a photon \| {{Ontology:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES ?? -->
			{{WaveBuild\| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication \| {{Ontology:Q5441}} }}
	</dl>		</dl>

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	This is one of many cases of a very subtle type of error which is easily missed or identified incorrectly when people do not distinguish exactly what kind of error it is. The "printing press fallacy" is not a statement against the possibility of information which has gotten to two people <em>ever</em> getting to millions of people; however unlikely, there is always some probability of little-known information or claims spreading. Instead, the "printing press fallacy" is the fallacy that <em>every single possible</em> communication of information to someone acts as a printing press. This is the fallacy that when one highly-specific [[redlink - queer theory\|queer theorist]]'s paper is published in an inaccessible private journal every reactionary will spontaneously know the contents of the paper without having to hear of it or obtain it. This is the fallacy that one person tweeting about a bad experience at work will spontaneously cause every human being on earth to internalize the dangers of workplace misogyny and also somehow create from whole cloth and internalize solutions. This is the fallacy that information spreads by telepathy or some unknown method many times more efficient than telepathy, rather than always having to experience logistics because every piece of information must actually be communicated between individuals.		This is one of many cases of a very subtle type of error which is easily missed or identified incorrectly when people do not distinguish exactly what kind of error it is. The "printing press fallacy" is not a statement against the possibility of information which has gotten to two people <em>ever</em> getting to millions of people; however unlikely, there is always some probability of little-known information or claims spreading. Instead, the "printing press fallacy" is the fallacy that <em>every single possible</em> communication of information to someone acts as a printing press. This is the fallacy that when one highly-specific [[redlink - queer theory\|queer theorist]]'s paper is published in an inaccessible private journal every reactionary will spontaneously know the contents of the paper without having to hear of it or obtain it. This is the fallacy that one person tweeting about a bad experience at work will spontaneously cause every human being on earth to internalize the dangers of workplace misogyny and also somehow create from whole cloth and internalize solutions. This is the fallacy that information spreads by telepathy or some unknown method many times more efficient than telepathy, rather than always having to experience logistics because every piece of information must actually be communicated between individuals.

	~~Somewhat ironically~~, Lacanianism has a brilliant statement <em>against</em> this fallacy. In having to examine the physical applicability of Jung's concept of the [[redlink\|collective unconscious]] to the real world, Lacanians came up with a model that people only accept ideas after the process of communication between human beings through signifiers alienated from the individual who said them. There are many further fine details within this model that make it dubious, but overall, the statement that human beings communicate through exchanging signifiers is true. If human beings exchange information through signifiers which can be misinterpreted along the way, it should be clear that there are obstacles that stand in the way of information instantaneously making it all the way from a few individuals to everyone, and these obstacles can be non-trivial, or even completely prohibitive.		However ironic this may be when psychoanalysis contains many of its own fallacies, Lacanianism has a brilliant statement <em>against</em> this fallacy. In having to examine the physical applicability of Jung's concept of the [[redlink\|collective unconscious]] to the real world, Lacanians came up with a model that people only accept ideas after the process of communication between human beings through signifiers alienated from the individual who said them. There are many further fine details within this model that make it dubious, but overall, the statement that human beings communicate through exchanging signifiers is true. If human beings exchange information through signifiers which can be misinterpreted along the way, it should be clear that there are obstacles that stand in the way of information instantaneously making it all the way from a few individuals to everyone, and these obstacles can be non-trivial, or even completely prohibitive.

	Keep this in mind: if you can find anyone on earth who has not heard of some particular thing, from the story of <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> to Frantz Fanon's postcolonial theories, then you know that information does not spread instantaneously, and you know that at any given time there will be many, many more people who have not heard of something.		Keep this in mind: if you can find anyone on earth who has not heard of some particular thing, from the story of <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> to Frantz Fanon's postcolonial theories, then you know that information does not spread instantaneously, and you know that at any given time there will be many, many more people who have not heard of something.
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	[[Category:F2 Factually-Devoid Claims]] [[Category:~~Unsorted Existentialist-Structuralist claims~~ ontology]]		[[Category:F2 Factually-Devoid Claims]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]

Reversedragon: combination: Human knowledge cannot teleport

2025-05-30T12:56:48Z

combination: Human knowledge cannot teleport

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	{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}		{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}		{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}
			</dl>

			== Wavebuilder combinations ==

			<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild">
			{{WaveBuild\| existential materialism \| {{Ontology:Q5441}} }} <!-- en: WITH ?? PRODUCES ?? -->
	</dl>		</dl>

Reversedragon: One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country

2025-05-07T03:16:24Z

One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country

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	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}
			{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| One person listening is equivalent to the entire population or country (spread of information) }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition \| Lacanianism \| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication }}		{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition \| Lacanianism \| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication }}

Reversedragon: remove test Item

2025-04-23T21:53:54Z

remove test Item

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	{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}		{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
	~~{{HueRoster\|P=test Item\| {{Ontology:Q2910}} }}~~
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}

Reversedragon: move experimental icon to Template:IF2

2025-04-23T03:41:45Z

move experimental icon to Template:IF2

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	{{HueCSS}}		{{HueCSS}}
	<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>		<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">~~<div class="figure item-dimension"><abbr title="F2 Factually-Devoid Claim" aria-label="F2" style="font-size: 133%; line-height: 0.76;">Ⓕ</abbr> </div>~~[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__		<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__
	</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->		</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->

Reversedragon: display F2 as symbol

2025-04-23T03:17:14Z

display F2 as symbol

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	{{HueCSS}}		{{HueCSS}}
	<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>		<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme=""><div class="figure item-dimension"><abbr title="F2 Factually-Devoid Claim">F2</abbr> </div>[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__		<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme=""><div class="figure item-dimension"><abbr title="F2 Factually-Devoid Claim" aria-label="F2" style="font-size: 133%; line-height: 0.76;">Ⓕ</abbr> </div>[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__
	</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->		</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->

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	{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}		{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
			{{HueRoster\|P=test Item\| {{Ontology:Q2910}} }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| When information is available to a few people, it's available to everyone \| When two people know something, everybody knows it \| printing press fallacy }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}

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	<ol class="hue clean compound"><li>
	<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__		<onlyinclude><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="F2" data-qid="5440" data-numbersign="200" data-field="" data-series="" data-work="" data-chapter="" data-tale="" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme="">{{IF2}}[[Ontology:Q5440\|When two people have information, everybody has it]]</dfn></onlyinclude> __NOTOC__
	</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->		</li></ol><!-- duplication hint: copy fake Item from [[Special:PermanentLink/NNNN\|Ontology:Q5440]] -->

	== ~~Characteristics in draft ==~~		== Core characteristics ==

	~~=== Properties =~~==

	<dl class="wikitable hue">		<dl class="wikitable hue">
	{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}		{{HueClaim\|P=item type\| F2 }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}		{{HueRoster\|P=label (en)\| {{Ontology:Q5440}} }}
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	{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| ~~One~~ person ~~listening is equivalent to~~ the ~~entire population or country (spread of information)~~ }}		{{HueClaim\|P=alias (en)\| If one million people have watched Dragon Ball, then there must not be a single person who hasn't watched or read it \| Literally everybody must know about the coke and mentos reaction }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}		{{HueRoster\|P=QID references\| printing press \| approximate historical date }}
	{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ~~\| Lacanianism \| [S2] Information cannot reach a "collective unconscious" without communication~~ }}		{{HueRoster\|P=color swatch references\| Existentialist-Structuralist tradition }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}		{{HueClaim\|P=instance of\| Difference-Existentialist model? \| physically-incorrect statement \| physically-incorrect statement which would be correct if framed differently }}
	{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}		{{HueClaim\|P=[[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|prototype]] notes\| dreadfully common in every single discussion of "culture" and "prejudice". in fact, it's vastly more common to find people who believe this than people who don't. but, it's demonstrably untrue in the physical world. ... }}
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	This is one of many cases of a very subtle type of error which is easily missed or identified incorrectly when people do not distinguish exactly what kind of error it is. The "printing press fallacy" is not a statement against the possibility of information which has gotten to two people <em>ever</em> getting to millions of people; however unlikely, there is always some probability of little-known information or claims spreading. Instead, the "printing press fallacy" is the fallacy that <em>every single possible</em> communication of information to someone acts as a printing press. This is the fallacy that when one highly-specific [[redlink - queer theory\|queer theorist]]'s paper is published in an inaccessible private journal every reactionary will spontaneously know the contents of the paper without having to hear of it or obtain it. This is the fallacy that one person tweeting about a bad experience at work will spontaneously cause every human being on earth to internalize the dangers of workplace misogyny and also somehow create from whole cloth and internalize solutions. This is the fallacy that information spreads by telepathy or some unknown method many times more efficient than telepathy, rather than always having to experience logistics because every piece of information must actually be communicated between individuals.		This is one of many cases of a very subtle type of error which is easily missed or identified incorrectly when people do not distinguish exactly what kind of error it is. The "printing press fallacy" is not a statement against the possibility of information which has gotten to two people <em>ever</em> getting to millions of people; however unlikely, there is always some probability of little-known information or claims spreading. Instead, the "printing press fallacy" is the fallacy that <em>every single possible</em> communication of information to someone acts as a printing press. This is the fallacy that when one highly-specific [[redlink - queer theory\|queer theorist]]'s paper is published in an inaccessible private journal every reactionary will spontaneously know the contents of the paper without having to hear of it or obtain it. This is the fallacy that one person tweeting about a bad experience at work will spontaneously cause every human being on earth to internalize the dangers of workplace misogyny and also somehow create from whole cloth and internalize solutions. This is the fallacy that information spreads by telepathy or some unknown method many times more efficient than telepathy, rather than always having to experience logistics because every piece of information must actually be communicated between individuals.

	~~Somewhat ironically~~, Lacanianism has a brilliant statement <em>against</em> this fallacy. In having to examine the physical applicability of Jung's concept of the [[redlink\|collective unconscious]] to the real world, Lacanians came up with a model that people only accept ideas after the process of communication between human beings through signifiers alienated from the individual who said them. There are many further fine details within this model that make it dubious, but overall, the statement that human beings communicate through exchanging signifiers is true. If human beings exchange information through signifiers which can be misinterpreted along the way, it should be clear that there are obstacles that stand in the way of information instantaneously making it all the way from a few individuals to everyone, and these obstacles can be non-trivial, or even completely prohibitive.		However ironic this may be when psychoanalysis contains many of its own fallacies, Lacanianism has a brilliant statement <em>against</em> this fallacy. In having to examine the physical applicability of Jung's concept of the [[redlink\|collective unconscious]] to the real world, Lacanians came up with a model that people only accept ideas after the process of communication between human beings through signifiers alienated from the individual who said them. There are many further fine details within this model that make it dubious, but overall, the statement that human beings communicate through exchanging signifiers is true. If human beings exchange information through signifiers which can be misinterpreted along the way, it should be clear that there are obstacles that stand in the way of information instantaneously making it all the way from a few individuals to everyone, and these obstacles can be non-trivial, or even completely prohibitive.

	Keep this in mind: if you can find anyone on earth who has not heard of some particular thing, from the story of <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> to Frantz Fanon's postcolonial theories, then you know that information does not spread instantaneously, and you know that at any given time there will be many, many more people who have not heard of something.		Keep this in mind: if you can find anyone on earth who has not heard of some particular thing, from the story of <cite>Dragon Ball</cite> to Frantz Fanon's postcolonial theories, then you know that information does not spread instantaneously, and you know that at any given time there will be many, many more people who have not heard of something.
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	[[Category:F2 Factually-Devoid Claims]] [[Category:~~Unsorted Existentialist-Structuralist claims~~ ontology]]		[[Category:F2 Factually-Devoid Claims]] [[Category:Existential materialism ontology]]

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