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	<ol class="hue clean compound">		<ol class="hue clean compound">
	{{E:Q618/Fy\|Kids work, adults learn creativity (Growing Around) \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}		{{E:Q618/Fy\|Kids work, adults learn creativity (Growing Around) \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
			{{E:Q618/A\|The French revolution is a model for anarchism \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
			{{E:Q618/A\|Liberalism is postcolonial relative to medieval empires \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
	{{E:Q618/A\|Kids are natural anarchists \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}		{{E:Q618/A\|Kids are natural anarchists \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
	{{E:Q618/ES\|All who want freedom are a tent \|dimension=S2\|li=y}} <!-- All who want freedom are a tent / All people that want freedom are a tent -->		{{E:Q618/ES\|All who want freedom are a tent \|dimension=S2\|li=y}} <!-- All who want freedom are a tent / All people that want freedom are a tent -->
	{{E:Q618/ES\|Anything which is not a tent of freedom \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}		{{E:Q618/ES\|Anything which is not a tent of freedom is not free \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
	{{E:Q618\|~~(unknown)~~ \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}		{{E:Q618/MX\|Tent of freedom poles is Idealism \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
			{{E:Q618/ML\|Bourgeois freedom is only for the bourgeoisie \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
			{{E:Q618/ML\|Workers need Materialism to create freedom \|dimension=S2\|li=y}}
	{{HueNumber\|Q6983}}		{{HueNumber\|Q6983}}
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	== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|Prototype]] notes ==		== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand\|Prototype]] notes ==

	* Kids are natural anarchists -> heard a real anarchist say this once in relation to education or something like that. that kids were closer to nature before society had		<ol class="hue clean">

			</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="618" data-dimension="Z">Kids are natural anarchists -> heard a real anarchist say this once in relation to education or something like that. that kids were closer to nature before society had

	~~<ol class="hue clean">~~
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6980" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[E:Growing Around\|Growing Around]]</cite> (unreleased series with ~1 published book)		</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6980" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[E:Growing Around\|Growing Around]]</cite> (unreleased series with ~1 published book)
	</li><li class="field_horror" value="6984" data-dimension="S2"><cite>Growing Around</cite> is a dystopia		</li><li class="field_horror" value="6984" data-dimension="S2"><cite>Growing Around</cite> is a dystopia

			</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="6985" data-dimension="S2"><cite>Growing Around</cite> will end with a defector / <cite>Growing Around</cite> will end with a single pair of adults running away and raising a kid normally -> the one really really good thing about <cite>Growing Around</cite> is that it comes across as so horrifying to adults that it prompts reviewers to imagine societal transitions. I love that. the theories of transition usually aren't high quality, but you know, in a time where Marxism has still never successfully become un-forbidden and nobody ever thinks about transitions in real-world society it still is actually making people think.<br />
			thought 2: this theory sounds almost identical to the ending of <cite>The Giver</cite>. I suppose I will label this anarchism because of that association.

	</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83\|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] (<cite>Growing Around</cite>) -> the claim that in the <cite>Growing Around</cite> universe, adults invented Communism and had to be defeated specifically on the logic that kids being in charge is Freedom. kids assert that them being in charge of the world is just the "tent of freedom poles" principle and adults wanting to take down their system of creativity and ideals are just tyrannical dictators. adults believe in Materialism, kids believe in Idealism, kids somehow suppress the adults with the power they mysteriously had from the beginning and gloat about how only when people believe in everyone having freedom and having freedom separately in parallel all as individuals can the world function properly, complete with a bunch of dubious or made-up information about their version of the French Revolution. it sounds like one of those very simple nonfiction picture books you find at a library, but maybe phrased a little sillier.		</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83\|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] (<cite>Growing Around</cite>) -> the claim that in the <cite>Growing Around</cite> universe, adults invented Communism and had to be defeated specifically on the logic that kids being in charge is Freedom. kids assert that them being in charge of the world is just the "tent of freedom poles" principle and adults wanting to take down their system of creativity and ideals are just tyrannical dictators. adults believe in Materialism, kids believe in Idealism, kids somehow suppress the adults with the power they mysteriously had from the beginning and gloat about how only when people believe in everyone having freedom and having freedom separately in parallel all as individuals can the world function properly, complete with a bunch of dubious or made-up information about their version of the French Revolution. it sounds like one of those very simple nonfiction picture books you find at a library, but maybe phrased a little sillier.
	</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83\|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] -> The fan theory that everyone regenerates the system of kids being in control and adults being subordinate because kids strictly maintain that only this can bring freedom. In the Soviet Union region adults broke it all open, but they were ultimately defeated, and children subsequently gloated that only a world that lets kids create utter chaos and paintball the world with conflicting kinds of "creativity" understands "having ideals" and "freedom for all limited by equal freedom for others".		</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83\|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] -> The fan theory that everyone regenerates the system of kids being in control and adults being subordinate because kids strictly maintain that only this can bring freedom. In the Soviet Union region adults broke it all open, but they were ultimately defeated, and children subsequently gloated that only a world that lets kids create utter chaos and paintball the world with conflicting kinds of "creativity" understands "having ideals" and "freedom for all limited by equal freedom for others".
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	The kids are staunch Idealists. The adults are Materialists.<br />		The kids are staunch Idealists. The adults are Materialists.<br />
	The setting morphs into a weirdly scathing critique of Idealist models of society that makes you question if Growing Around is actually just a perfect metaphor for capitalism		The setting morphs into a weirdly scathing critique of Idealist models of society that makes you question if Growing Around is actually just a perfect metaphor for capitalism


	== Background ==		== Background ==

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Reversedragon: copy or update fake Item from Q36,61

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== Core characteristics ==

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{{HueClaim |P=item type| {{Template:S2}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA/L|lang=en| {{E:Q6983}} }}
{{HueRoster|EP=PPPA|lang=en| -- }}
{{HueRoster|EP=P42| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P34| {{E:Q6980}} }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P3| -- }}
{{HueRoster|EP=P4| -- }} 
{{HueRoster|EP=P35/TS| -- }}
{{HueRoster|P=prototype notes| revision {{TTS|tts=99-99|99,99|oldid=9999}} }}
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=== Components ===

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{{E:Q618/Fy|Kids work, adults learn creativity (Growing Around) |dimension=S2|li=y}}
{{E:Q618/A|Kids are natural anarchists |dimension=S2|li=y}}
{{E:Q618/ES|All who want freedom are a tent |dimension=S2|li=y}} 
{{E:Q618/ES|Anything which is not a tent of freedom |dimension=S2|li=y}}
{{E:Q618|(unknown) |dimension=S2|li=y}}
{{HueNumber|Q6983}}
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== Wavebuilder combinations ==

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== [[User:Reversedragon/FirstNineThousand|Prototype]] notes ==

* Kids are natural anarchists -> heard a real anarchist say this once in relation to education or something like that. that kids were closer to nature before society had

<ol class="hue clean">
</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="6980" data-dimension="Z"><cite>[[E:Growing Around|Growing Around]]</cite> (unreleased series with ~1 published book)
</li><li class="field_horror" value="6984" data-dimension="S2"><cite>Growing Around</cite> is a dystopia
</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] (<cite>Growing Around</cite>) -> the claim that in the <cite>Growing Around</cite> universe, adults invented Communism and had to be defeated specifically on the logic that kids being in charge is Freedom. kids assert that them being in charge of the world is just the "tent of freedom poles" principle and adults wanting to take down their system of creativity and ideals are just tyrannical dictators. adults believe in Materialism, kids believe in Idealism, kids somehow suppress the adults with the power they mysteriously had from the beginning and gloat about how only when people believe in everyone having freedom and having freedom separately in parallel all as individuals can the world function properly, complete with a bunch of dubious or made-up information about their version of the French Revolution. it sounds like one of those very simple nonfiction picture books you find at a library, but maybe phrased a little sillier.
</li><li class="field_ML" value="6983" data-dimension="S2">[[E:Q69,83|In Soviet Russia, adults rule you]] -> The fan theory that everyone regenerates the system of kids being in control and adults being subordinate because kids strictly maintain that only this can bring freedom. In the Soviet Union region adults broke it all open, but they were ultimately defeated, and children subsequently gloated that only a world that lets kids create utter chaos and paintball the world with conflicting kinds of "creativity" understands "having ideals" and "freedom for all limited by equal freedom for others".
</li></ol>

The kids are treating international wars like casual war games and throwing around armies of adults like toy soldiers.<br />
The adults decide they aren't going to take it any more.<br />
The kids are staunch Idealists. The adults are Materialists.<br />
The setting morphs into a weirdly scathing critique of Idealist models of society that makes you question if Growing Around is actually just a perfect metaphor for capitalism

== Background ==

=== Falsification criteria ===

As a fan theory, this proposition likely does not have rigid falsification criteria. If there somehow comes to be any official information about the early 1900s Soviet Union region in the <cite>Growing Around</cite> universe — which seems unlikely when this kind of series is mainly meant to portray a single society and not meant to delve deep into a world-history scale of things — then it may be marked false.

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