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Reversedragon: Moderation realizes through extremism

2026-04-11T04:19:58Z

Moderation realizes through extremism

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=39,65\|Q2=3965}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q39,65\|9k]]) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities

	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q50,45\|9k]]) -> ... the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q50,45\|9k]]) -> ... the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.

	{{li~~\|start=y~~\|I=S2/ES\|~~class~~=~~field_exstruct field_LGBT~~\|Q=39,65\|Q2=~~3965~~}}~~Sexuality~~ is a ~~discursive production (Foucault)~~ / ~~([[EC:9k/RD/Q39~~,~~65\|9k]])~~ -~~> what Chouette is to owl~~-~~autism this~~ is to ~~real-world sexualities~~		{{li\|I=S2/MX/DG/A\|tradition=MX onto DG\|Q=55,16\|Q2=5516}}Moderation realizes through extremism / Moderation is a form of extremism / Because individuals vary greatly, their normal healthy states of being are in effect naturally "extreme" relative to each other, and thus any attempt to regulate an overall population's "extreme" behavior by bringing down "moderation" on every single individual one-by-one is in effect an attempt to intolerantly force a specific way of being on large numbers of people, and through the sheer quantity of that action it becomes extreme

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	* ES / Foucauldianism		* ES / Foucauldianism
			* DG / schizoanalysis

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Reversedragon: book notes

2026-04-06T06:22:01Z

book notes

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			* [[User:RD/9k/Q12,1,18/comm]] - notes on book


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Reversedragon: Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) / people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true

2026-04-06T00:17:51Z

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	~~-->~~== ~~Prototype notes~~ ==		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=12,1,18\|Q2=12118}}{{book\|Chouette}} (2021) {{YouTube\|OtSnlwfg18E}} [https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1055640680/a-parable-about-motherhood-chouette-begins-with-a-human-birth-to-an-owl-baby] -> a book about a mother somehow impossibly having a monstrous hybrid owl baby. the basic idea is not really anything new for speculative fiction books. you have like, {{book\|Birdwing}}, {{book\|Maximum Ride}}, where people are bird monsters, you have {{book\|Dragon Ball}} where humans are hybridizing with intelligent yet very unwise monkey aliens, and that's treated as normal but is actually pretty weird if you think about it. and before that, there were these wild mythical tales where Zeus or Loki would turn into an animal and get people pregnant, and that's pretty messed up for a story that just is part of the popular culture of the time. (for Greeks, the uneducated people definitely knew about the stories, it wasn't just the poets that talked about them, although the philosopher types often didn't really believe them, and commoners sometimes would.) but it seems like there's a controversy over this book where some people think it's uniquely disgusting, or something? I have no idea if that's true or not. I can't imagine it's weirder than things you'd see in a humanities education — which, like, I rarely stop and think about how much studying the humanities can be a weirdly adult thing by accident. Zeus, Loki, a bunch of museum artifacts "used for ritual purposes" that are totally for personal sex rituals, whether the person had any actual magic-ritual beliefs around them or not (which thousands and thousands of years ago would have been possible, there was so much people didn't know and they were always making their best guesses). I will have to read this book because it sounds interesting, maybe it will be, maybe not, but when people are casting it as 'forbidden' over things that only sound so bad to me I'm only more morbidly intrigued to see what's in there. it isn't.... [[E:Lolita (Nabokov 1955)\|Mr. Nabokov's book]]. it's just about a weird little owl monster.<br />
	~~<noinclude>~~{{~~HueCSS~~}}</~~noinclude~~>~~<ol class=~~"~~hue clean~~">		oh and it apparently ends kind of like. what's it called. {{film\|Bagi}}. the Tezuka movie where he tries to present humanity creating a monster cat woman as a horrible abomination that shouldn't have happened. I think people are refusing to engage critically with this book and the actual questions it asks.

	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_horror" data-qid~~="12,1,18~~" value~~="12118~~" data-dimension="S2">~~{{book\|Chouette}} (2021) ~~{{YouTube\|OtSnlwfg18E}} [https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1055640680/a-parable-about-motherhood-chouette-begins-with-a-human-birth-to-an-owl-baby]~~ -> ~~a book about a mother somehow impossibly having a monstrous hybrid owl baby. the basic idea~~ is ~~not really anything new for speculative fiction books. you have like, {{book\|Birdwing}}, {{book\|Maximum Ride}}, where people are bird monsters, you have {{~~book~~\|Dragon Ball}} where humans are hybridizing with intelligent yet very unwise monkey aliens~~, ~~and that's treated as normal~~ but is ~~actually pretty weird if you think about it. and before that, there were these wild mythical tales where Zeus or Loki would turn into an animal and get people pregnant, and that's pretty messed up~~ for ~~a story that just is part of~~ the ~~popular culture~~ of ~~the time~~. (~~for Greeks, the uneducated people definitely knew about the stories, it wasn't just the poets~~ that ~~talked about them, although the philosopher types often didn~~'t really believe them, and commoners sometimes would.) but it seems like there's a controversy over this book where some people think it's uniquely disgusting, or something? I have no idea if that's true or not. I can't imagine it's weirder than things you'd see in a humanities education — which, like, I rarely stop and think about how much studying the ~~humanities can be a weirdly adult thing by accident. Zeus, Loki, a bunch of museum artifacts "used~~ for ritual purposes" that are totally for personal sex rituals, whether the person had any actual magic-ritual beliefs around them or not (which thousands and thousands of years ago would have been possible, there was so much people didn't know and they were always making their best guesses). I will have to read this book because it sounds interesting, maybe it will be, maybe not, but when people are casting it as 'forbidden' over things that only sound so bad to me I'm only more morbidly intrigued to see what's in there. it isn't.... [[E:Lolita (Nabokov 1955)\|Mr. Nabokov's book]]. it's just about a weird little owl monster.<br />		{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=12,1,18\|Q2=12118}}{{book\|Chouette}} (2021) -> it is fine to cover this book, but P.T. is not considered Notable for the purposes of an Ontology entry. (that isn't abbreviating the ideology code for Toryism)
	~~oh and it apparently ends kind of like. what's it called.~~ {{~~film~~\|~~Bagi}}. the Tezuka movie where he tries to present humanity creating a monster cat woman as a horrible abomination that shouldn't have happened.~~ I ~~think people are refusing to engage critically with this book and the actual questions it asks.~~
	</~~li><li class="field_horror" data-qid~~="12,1,18~~" value~~="12118~~" data-dimension="S2">~~{{book\|Chouette}} ~~(2021)~~ -> ~~it is fine to cover~~ this ~~book, but P~~.~~T. is not considered Notable for the purposes of the ontology project. (that isn~~'~~t abbreviating~~ the ~~ideology code for Toryism)~~		{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=12,1,18\|Q2=12118}}{{book\|Chouette}} -> so I've actually read this now. it's time to add all the motifs in their proper context

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	~~<ol~~ class=~~"hue clean"~~>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q50,45\|9k]]) -> ... the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.
	</li></ol~~> --~~>
			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=39,65\|Q2=3965}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q39,65\|9k]]) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities
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	== ~~Ideology codes~~ ==		== Ideologies or fields ==

	* (~~none~~)		* Fy / fantasy genre
			* Fy / magical realism
			* Fy / fiction on identity
			* Fy / animal ecology versus society (fiction)
			* ES / Foucauldianism


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</li><li class="field_horror" data-qid="12,1,18" value="12118" data-dimension="S2">{{book|Chouette}} (2021) {{YouTube|OtSnlwfg18E}} [https://www.npr.org/2021/11/14/1055640680/a-parable-about-motherhood-chouette-begins-with-a-human-birth-to-an-owl-baby] -> a book about a mother somehow impossibly having a monstrous hybrid owl baby. the basic idea is not really anything new for speculative fiction books. you have like, {{book|Birdwing}}, {{book|Maximum Ride}}, where people are bird monsters, you have {{book|Dragon Ball}} where humans are hybridizing with intelligent yet very unwise monkey aliens, and that's treated as normal but is actually pretty weird if you think about it. and before that, there were these wild mythical tales where Zeus or Loki would turn into an animal and get people pregnant, and that's pretty messed up for a story that just is part of the popular culture of the time. (for Greeks, the uneducated people definitely knew about the stories, it wasn't just the poets that talked about them, although the philosopher types often didn't really believe them, and commoners sometimes would.) but it seems like there's a controversy over this book where some people think it's uniquely disgusting, or something? I have no idea if that's true or not. I can't imagine it's weirder than things you'd see in a humanities education — which, like, I rarely stop and think about how much studying the humanities can be a weirdly adult thing by accident. Zeus, Loki, a bunch of museum artifacts "used for ritual purposes" that are totally for personal sex rituals, whether the person had any actual magic-ritual beliefs around them or not (which thousands and thousands of years ago would have been possible, there was so much people didn't know and they were always making their best guesses). I will have to read this book because it sounds interesting, maybe it will be, maybe not, but when people are casting it as 'forbidden' over things that only sound so bad to me I'm only more morbidly intrigued to see what's in there. it isn't.... [[E:Lolita (Nabokov 1955)|Mr. Nabokov's book]]. it's just about a weird little owl monster.<br />
oh and it apparently ends kind of like. what's it called. {{film|Bagi}}. the Tezuka movie where he tries to present humanity creating a monster cat woman as a horrible abomination that shouldn't have happened. I think people are refusing to engage critically with this book and the actual questions it asks.
</li><li class="field_horror" data-qid="12,1,18" value="12118" data-dimension="S2">{{book|Chouette}} (2021) -> it is fine to cover this book, but P.T. is not considered Notable for the purposes of the ontology project. (that isn't abbreviating the ideology code for Toryism)

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== Ideology codes ==

* (none)

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