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Reversedragon: Opportunism is blue

2026-06-29T03:32:24Z

Opportunism is blue

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Opportunism is blue / Within Liberal-republicanism, if a party claiming to be Stalin's Marxism or Trotskyism hands people over to center-Liberalism under the guise of "finding" a mass movement or effecting "a total transformation of society" with only a center-Liberal party (a telltale sign of Marxism turning into Menshevism), it has integrated itself into Liberal-republicanism and it is also blue -> after seeing what Pablo and then Grant and then Woods kept doing, I think it's safe to say opportunism itself is blue assuming that it happens inside Liberal-republicanism. it might also be blue in select cases within Third World Marxisms, but I'm not delving into that right now.

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red		{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red

Reversedragon: page archived at archive.today - note, archived page showed up with several rendering bugs. try to address that problem later

2026-06-25T07:03:25Z

page archived at archive.today - note, archived page showed up with several rendering bugs. try to address that problem later

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Reversedragon: Juche-socialism is Dengism / Distorted Trotskyisms are red

2026-06-25T06:52:05Z

Juche-socialism is Dengism / Distorted Trotskyisms are red

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	{{li\|I=S2/STM\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The sciences are earth }} / The earth green or chlorophyll green swatch will be used for subjects within science, technology, engineering or math -> in early drafts of the color swatch system the science and mathematics swatch was cyan because I thought that was a fairly "computerized" color, but then when the optional humanities swatch color was created I had to change it because I realized that putting the humanities neatly in between language and literature per-se was a lot more logical. wanting the sciences to still have an appealing and recognizable color, I changed it to a foliage or chlorophyll color		{{li\|I=S2/STM\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The sciences are earth }} / The earth green or chlorophyll green swatch will be used for subjects within science, technology, engineering or math -> in early drafts of the color swatch system the science and mathematics swatch was cyan because I thought that was a fairly "computerized" color, but then when the optional humanities swatch color was created I had to change it because I realized that putting the humanities neatly in between language and literature per-se was a lot more logical. wanting the sciences to still have an appealing and recognizable color, I changed it to a foliage or chlorophyll color

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Socialism in one country is red }} / Any Marxism that contains socialism in one country is red, unless it has any other distinctive characteristics that are more relevant

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/IV\|Q=12,9,74\|Q2=12974\|h4= Trotskyism is orange }} / The flame-orange swatch color will be used for Trotskyism (the totality of attempts to form a Fourth International; philosophy tag {{TTS\|IV\|'Fourth'}}) to reflect its deep and ongoing material conflict with Stalin's Marxism ({{TTS\|ML}}) from circa 1904 through 2026; their neatly symmetric, back-and-forth "civil war" with each other in which they have [[E:unity of opposites (Marxism)\|defined and changed each other]] through [[E:material contradiction (Marxism)\|sustained resistance to each other]] arguably makes them entirely separate movements that at some unclear point in history (or fuzzy range of time) divided off and put a gap between each other instead of remaining two wings of one movement		{{li\|I=S2/MX/IV\|Q=12,9,74\|Q2=12974\|h4= Trotskyism is orange }} / The flame-orange swatch color will be used for Trotskyism (the totality of attempts to form a Fourth International; philosophy tag {{TTS\|IV\|'Fourth'}}) to reflect its deep and ongoing material conflict with Stalin's Marxism ({{TTS\|ML}}) from circa 1904 through 2026; their neatly symmetric, back-and-forth "civil war" with each other in which they have [[E:unity of opposites (Marxism)\|defined and changed each other]] through [[E:material contradiction (Marxism)\|sustained resistance to each other]] arguably makes them entirely separate movements that at some unclear point in history (or fuzzy range of time) divided off and put a gap between each other instead of remaining two wings of one movement
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985\|h4= Eclectic Marxism is strawberry }} / Eclectic versions of Marxism that contain some amount of Marxism yet improperly mix in Idealism, religion, conflating peasants and employees, or other particular forms of bourgeois ideology that cause problems for understanding Marxism will be marked with the pale-red "strawberry" swatch color -> this is one of the shakiest "basic rules" — I think the distinction between Materialism ({{TTS\|ML}}) and eclectic Materialism (philosophy tags {{TTS\|W, DX\|West, DX}}) is solid, but I am not entirely sure if the strawberry swatch should be divided into more swatches when it comes to identifying social structures which are particularly at fault for generating strawberry ideology.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985\|h4= Eclectic Marxism is strawberry }} / Eclectic versions of Marxism that contain some amount of Marxism yet improperly mix in Idealism, religion, conflating peasants and employees, or other particular forms of bourgeois ideology that cause problems for understanding Marxism will be marked with the pale-red "strawberry" swatch color -> this is one of the shakiest "basic rules" — I think the distinction between Materialism ({{TTS\|ML}}) and eclectic Materialism (philosophy tags {{TTS\|W, DX\|West, DX}}) is solid, but I am not entirely sure if the strawberry swatch should be divided into more swatches when it comes to identifying social structures which are particularly at fault for generating strawberry ideology.

	{{li\|I=S2/LGBT\|Q=618\|h4= Woman is not an ideology }} / Muslim is not a political party / Taoism is not a historical period — though Maoism is / African-American is not a mode of production / Italian is not an international government / There should never be new swatches for identity-based movements existing below the national level, except given special reasoning for why those swatches are especially relevant to describing internationalism; this applies specifically to color swatches, not to text-based philosophy tags -> "LGBT" is one of the only identity movements to be granted its own swatch specifically based on identity as opposed to based on its material strategy.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/LGBT\|Q=618\|h4= Woman is not an ideology }} / Muslim is not a political party / Taoism is not a historical period — though Maoism is / African-American is not a mode of production / Italian is not an international government / There should never be new swatches for identity-based movements existing below the national level, except given special reasoning for why those swatches are especially relevant to describing internationalism; this applies specifically to color swatches, not to text-based philosophy tags -><br/>
			"LGBT" is one of the only identity movements to be granted its own swatch specifically based on identity as opposed to based on its material strategy.<br/>
	"Dengism", despite being highly associated with China, is not a demographic identity {{em\|inside}} China, it's the whole China, and likewise "Juche-socialism" is the whole North Korea. BlackPantherism is a bit borderline but it passes because of the remark that it could expand over the country and wasn't specifically Black. Trotskyism either spuriously or actually claims to be international, so any argument that it is in fact a demographic identity isn't relevant here as that isn't a mainstream perception of it. "feminism" will not have a swatch because it is easily collapsed into a Liberal-republican interest group and weaponized against trans people. "Muslim socialism" will not have a swatch, although "religious socialism" as a very general category would be closer to being acceptable. "fascism" gets a swatch of some sort; "Italian fascism" doesn't get a swatch. any movement which can actually be defined based on summaries of its material behavior as opposed to culture and can be described as it applies to multiple possible cultural identities is exempt from these rules. "North American Maoism" could have a swatch if it became really relevant and as long as its material behavior can be distinguished from "(Chinese) Maoism" or "(Indian) Maoism".<br/>		"Dengism", despite being highly associated with China, is not a demographic identity {{em\|inside}} China, it's the whole China, and likewise "Juche-socialism" is the whole North Korea. BlackPantherism is a bit borderline but it passes because of the remark that it could expand over the country and wasn't specifically Black. Trotskyism either spuriously or actually claims to be international, so any argument that it is in fact a demographic identity isn't relevant here as that isn't a mainstream perception of it. "feminism" will not have a swatch because it is easily collapsed into a Liberal-republican interest group and weaponized against trans people. "Muslim socialism" will not have a swatch, although "religious socialism" as a very general category would be closer to being acceptable. "fascism" gets a swatch of some sort; "Italian fascism" doesn't get a swatch. any movement which can actually be defined based on summaries of its material behavior as opposed to culture and can be described as it applies to multiple possible cultural identities is exempt from these rules. "North American Maoism" could have a swatch if it became really relevant and as long as its material behavior can be distinguished from "(Chinese) Maoism" or "(Indian) Maoism".<br/>
	"LGBT tradition" is one of the only things that genuinely needs and gets an exception from these rules because it's one of the few things that deliberately draws on demographic identity characteristics themselves to produce generalized philosophy which becomes separate from identity. the concept of "queerness" is tightly tied to identity at first, but then becomes its own thing that can be used to describe the dynamics of several other identities as they relate to the rest of society — autistic identity, mental illness associated identity, disabled identity — which experience a similar exclusion and process of having to decide whether to "stay apart" or "fit in". the "queerness metaphor" has a lot of value in describing other movements, so it's useful to have an LGBT swatch to crystallize and focus on that paradigm as it will be used to vaguely associate to the other movements.<br/>		"LGBT tradition" is one of the only things that genuinely needs and gets an exception from these rules because it's one of the few things that deliberately draws on demographic identity characteristics themselves to produce generalized philosophy which becomes separate from identity. the concept of "queerness" is tightly tied to identity at first, but then becomes its own thing that can be used to describe the dynamics of several other identities as they relate to the rest of society — autistic identity, mental illness associated identity, disabled identity — which experience a similar exclusion and process of having to decide whether to "stay apart" or "fit in". the "queerness metaphor" has a lot of value in describing other movements, so it's useful to have an LGBT swatch to crystallize and focus on that paradigm as it will be used to vaguely associate to the other movements.<br/>
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/W/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is red (sense) / The crimson swatch will be used for the process of a population transitioning into Bolshevism (Leninist revolution) according to Antonio Gramsci, if and when he is describing a process that is based specifically on material arrangements of people, that process is largely concerned with employees or potential employees who do not own businesses getting into some kind of arrangement, and that process is not primarily based in "changing people's mentality" or "controlling ideas"; if Gramsci describes workers filling up corporations or institutions, that might qualify, but if he specifically describes intellectuals filling up an institution and it is not considered peripheral to the tasks of the workers then it does not qualify under this proposition -> I genuinely think Gramscianism is at least two different colors depending on who's doing it.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/W/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is red (sense) / The crimson swatch will be used for the process of a population transitioning into Bolshevism (Leninist revolution) according to Antonio Gramsci, if and when he is describing a process that is based specifically on material arrangements of people, that process is largely concerned with employees or potential employees who do not own businesses getting into some kind of arrangement, and that process is not primarily based in "changing people's mentality" or "controlling ideas"; if Gramsci describes workers filling up corporations or institutions, that might qualify, but if he specifically describes intellectuals filling up an institution and it is not considered peripheral to the tasks of the workers then it does not qualify under this proposition -> I genuinely think Gramscianism is at least two different colors depending on who's doing it.
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is strawberry / The strawberry swatch will be used for methods described by Antonio Gramsci which involve non-proletarian classes attempting to occupy parts of society over short or long periods to protect it from "fascism", violent Tories, capitalist resistance to anti-capitalist movements, and so forth; this may range from simple entryism up to larger-scale events that slowly begin to resemble permanent revolution yet involve a strangely large number of non-proletarian activists -> as of June 2026, I am starting to think I maybe actually had agorism confused with Gramscianism, given how on the ground everything is so secret and unlabeled and fractured and disorganized and I feel like most of the people who are actually trying to do 'wars of position' actually have nearly no idea what they're doing.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is strawberry / The strawberry swatch will be used for methods described by Antonio Gramsci which involve non-proletarian classes attempting to occupy parts of society over short or long periods to protect it from "fascism", violent Tories, capitalist resistance to anti-capitalist movements, and so forth; this may range from simple entryism up to larger-scale events that slowly begin to resemble permanent revolution yet involve a strangely large number of non-proletarian activists -> as of June 2026, I am starting to think I maybe actually had agorism confused with Gramscianism, given how on the ground everything is so secret and unlabeled and fractured and disorganized and I feel like most of the people who are actually trying to do 'wars of position' actually have nearly no idea what they're doing.<br/>
	my thoughts now are... if a "Marxism" doesn't contain any Communist theorists, is it even an eclectic Marxism? or is it just something entirely different? I'm starting to think that there are a vast number of ideologies that are separable and in conflict and yet all blue. that is a headache to try to keep track of using swatches. I guess I will just have to mark out a ridiculous number of shades of blue under the {{TTS\|html=code\|.field_exstruct\|field ex-struct}} range in the stylesheet so they can be used on the pages where different agorisms are fighting each other. I could have made Toryism blue if I'd done that early; oh well. maybe I will make a specialized swatch only to be used on pages that are really down in the weeds of US politics so the Republicans, Democrats, and Federalist Party are all blue.		my thoughts now are... if a "Marxism" doesn't contain any Communist theorists, is it even an eclectic Marxism? or is it just something entirely different? I'm starting to think that there are a vast number of ideologies that are separable and in conflict and yet all blue. that is a headache to try to keep track of using swatches. I guess I will just have to mark out a ridiculous number of shades of blue under the {{TTS\|html=code\|.field_exstruct\|field ex-struct}} range in the stylesheet so they can be used on the pages where different agorisms are fighting each other. I could have made Toryism blue if I'd done that early; oh well. maybe I will make a specialized swatch only to be used on pages that are really down in the weeds of US politics so the Republicans, Democrats, and Federalist Party are all blue.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/JC\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Juche-socialism is Dengism / Juche-socialism is the same swatch color as Dengism / Juche-socialism and Dengism are the same thing with no actually-meaningful differences, because both of them revolve around national unity and center-wing nationalism, and both of them involve the country filling up at least halfway with private businesses but in some cases not all the way; this is to imply that Juche-socialism should be the strawberry swatch color if Dengism is the strawberry swatch color -> I hesitate to make North Korea blue because as far as I know it hasn't totally filled up with private businesses yet and is doing just marginally better on that than China and Cuba. there's no real guarantee it will stay that way

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The concept of "community senators" is blue / All statements which A) originate from within Liberal-republican countries and B) imply that a subpopulation is obligated to curate a group of visible people or artworks that best represent it so that only those people may be shown to other groups of people and any other people not fit to be in that 'display population' must be suppressed are part of Liberal-republicanism -> the more times you see it the more it becomes clear that this is something being pounded into people by their surrounding society until even when people aren't thinking about Liberal-republican politics they still have a background Liberal-republicanism in their head beating them up for not behaving like Liberal-republicanism at all times of day. "Communism forcefully ~~changes~~ your mind" my foot, you can say that when you explain where {{em\|this}} comes from.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The concept of "community senators" is blue / All statements which A) originate from within Liberal-republican countries and B) imply that a subpopulation is obligated to curate a group of visible people or artworks that best represent it so that only those people may be shown to other groups of people and any other people not fit to be in that 'display population' must be suppressed are part of Liberal-republicanism -> the more times you see it the more it becomes clear that this is something being pounded into people by their surrounding society until even when people aren't thinking about Liberal-republican politics they still have a background Liberal-republicanism in their head beating them up for not behaving like Liberal-republicanism at all times of day. "Communism tries to forcefully change your mind" my foot, you can say that when you explain where {{em\|this}} comes from.<br/>
	point 2: whenever people propose this applies to transgender representation, blue anarchists stand up against it, showing there is a difference between blue anarchism and Liberal-republicanism even though the two are often in league with each other at other times.		point 2: whenever people propose this applies to transgender representation, blue anarchists stand up against it, showing there is a difference between blue anarchism and Liberal-republicanism even though the two are often in league with each other at other times.

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	{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The humanities are blue-green }} / The blue-green swatch color will be used for the humanities to reflect their position in between linguistics (blue) and fiction (bright green)		{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The humanities are blue-green }} / The blue-green swatch color will be used for the humanities to reflect their position in between linguistics (blue) and fiction (bright green)

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Fictional works are green		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Fictional works, storytelling, narrative-based Media Representation, and fandoms are green

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Dark stories are forest }} / The dark green or forest green swatch color will be used for concepts within the scope of the bright green swatch color which involve "dark" events, which at different times may include horror works, tragedy works, dark-fantasy works, conceptual swaths of things identified as elemental antagonisms within fiction (for instance, the consistent dichotomy of Good versus Prosecutors in the {{game\|Ace Attorney}} games), villains, or evil empires; the dark green swatch color is a direct variation on the bright green swatch color -> this swatch mostly exists to break up really long lines of green, so that discussing fiction doesn't make the swatch system pointless.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Dark stories are forest }} / The dark green or forest green swatch color will be used for concepts within the scope of the bright green swatch color which involve "dark" events, which at different times may include horror works, tragedy works, dark-fantasy works, conceptual swaths of things identified as elemental antagonisms within fiction (for instance, the consistent dichotomy of Good versus Prosecutors in the {{game\|Ace Attorney}} games), villains, or evil empires; the dark green swatch color is a direct variation on the bright green swatch color -> this swatch mostly exists to break up really long lines of green, so that discussing fiction doesn't make the swatch system pointless.

Reversedragon: copy data tables over for test

2026-06-23T03:26:47Z

copy data tables over for test

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			/ </ins><data value="Q92" class="item-name plainlinks">[[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|meta-Marxism]]</data><del class="field"></del><ins class="edition-sense term"> ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|Q92]]</a>)</span></ins></dfn></li>
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			</dl>
			<dl class="wikitable hue">
			<div class="row PPPA/L" data-template="HueRoster" lang="en"><dt><dfn class="field_exstruct manual" data-dimension="P" data-qid="PPA" data-field="Property" data-structure="string" data-work="Wikibase" data-object="" data-note="" data-lexeme=""><abbr class="figure item-dimension" title="Property" data-icon="🅟"><ins class="tts" title="P:" data-arg1="P:" data-tts=""><ruby><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">[P]</span><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true"> (</rp><rp class="help">pronounced </rp><rt data-lang="" class="aural">P:</rt><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true">)</rp></ruby></ins></abbr> [[Ontology:PPPA\|label]]<ins> (en)</ins><ins class="data-structure"> [string]</ins></ins></dfn></dt><div class="values"><dd> <dfn class="manual flag field_fantasy" data-qid="38,45"><data data-numbersign="200" data-field="speculative fiction" data-note="fan theories"></data><span class="mix-match field_fantasy"><abbr class="figure item-dimension" data-icon="" title="S1 Signifier Item / fantasy, fiction, or arts / Item ID Q38,45 / sense MM"><ins class="tts flag" data-title="" data-arg1="" data-tts="38,45. (S)"><ruby><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">S–38,45</span><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true"> (</rp><rp class="help">pronounced </rp><rt data-lang="" class="aural">38,45. (S)</rt><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true">)</rp></ruby></ins><ins class="tts swatch" data-title="" data-arg1="(Fiction) (S):" data-tts=""><ruby><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">[Fy] [S]</span><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true"> (</rp><rp class="help">pronounced </rp><rt data-lang="" class="aural">(Fiction) (S):</rt><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true">)</rp></ruby></ins> </abbr><span class="spacer"> </span></span><ins class="field-tag"><span class="plainlinks">[https://research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?title=Ontology:asdf <abbr class="tts" title="fantasy, fiction, or arts" data-arg1="" data-tts="">Fy</abbr>]</span>
			/ </ins><data value="Q38,45" class="item-name plainlinks">[[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|media theory]]</data><ins class="edition-sense term"> (<span class="">[[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|Q38,45]]/</span>[[Ontology:Q38,45/MM\|MM]])</ins><ins class="wave-score"><span class="sum">[[Ontology:P158\|1]]</span><span class="quilt"><span class="tts"><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">:</span><del class="aural">-</del>[[Ontology:P156\|1]]</span><span class="ply"><span class="tts"><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">:</span><del class="aural">-</del>[[Ontology:P157\|1]]</span></span></span></ins></dfn> </dd>
			<dd> <dfn class="manual flag field_fantasy" data-qid="38,45"><data data-numbersign="200" data-field="speculative fiction" data-note="fan theories"></data><span class="mix-match field_fantasy"><abbr class="figure item-dimension" data-icon="" title="S1 Signifier Item / fantasy, fiction, or arts / Item ID Q38,45 / sense MM"><ins class="tts flag" data-title="" data-arg1="" data-tts="38,45. (S)"><ruby><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">S–38,45</span><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true"> (</rp><rp class="help">pronounced </rp><rt data-lang="" class="aural">38,45. (S)</rt><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true">)</rp></ruby></ins><ins class="tts swatch" data-title="" data-arg1="(Fiction) (S):" data-tts=""><ruby><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">[Fy] [S]</span><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true"> (</rp><rp class="help">pronounced </rp><rt data-lang="" class="aural">(Fiction) (S):</rt><rp class="bracket" aria-hidden="true">)</rp></ruby></ins> </abbr><span class="spacer"> </span></span><ins class="field-tag"><span class="plainlinks">[https://research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?title=Ontology:asdf <abbr class="tts" title="fantasy, fiction, or arts" data-arg1="" data-tts="">Fy</abbr>]</span>
			/ </ins><data value="Q38,45" class="item-name plainlinks">[[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|media theory]]</data><ins class="note"> (fan theory)</ins><ins class="edition-sense term"> (<span class="">[[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q12,9,92\|Q38,45]]/</span>[[Ontology:Q38,45/MM\|MM]])</ins><ins class="wave-score"><span class="sum">[[Ontology:P158\|1]]</span><span class="quilt"><span class="tts"><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">:</span><del class="aural">-</del>[[Ontology:P156\|1]]</span><span class="ply"><span class="tts"><span class="visual" aria-hidden="true">:</span><del class="aural">-</del>[[Ontology:P157\|1]]</span></span></span></ins></dfn> </dd></div></div>
			</dl>

	== Wavebuilder combinations (test) ==		== Wavebuilder combinations (test) ==

Reversedragon: put other test combo here so I don't have to look at the page it was on

2026-06-23T02:46:32Z

put other test combo here so I don't have to look at the page it was on

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	{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|conclusion}} }}		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|conclusion}} }}
	{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/STM\|physics}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|plurality}} \| {{E:Q618/GR\|relativity}} }}		{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/STM\|physics}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|plurality}} \| {{E:Q618/GR\|relativity}} }}
			{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/PT\|Israel-Palestine conflict}} \| {{E:Q618/DFy\|{{film\|Drawn Together}}}} \| {{E:Q618/DFy\|{{TTS\|tts=Israel (robot)\|I.S.R.A.E.L.}}}} }} <!-- en: Along With, Produces ?? ?? -->
	</dl>		</dl>

Reversedragon: The concept of "community senators" is blue / Large language models are blue

2026-06-21T22:43:00Z

The concept of "community senators" is blue / Large language models are blue

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}All agorisms are blue; any apparent "charcoal anarchisms" that are agorisms are not to be considered charcoal anarchisms, and are to be considered blue anarchisms		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The concept of "community senators" is blue / All statements which A) originate from within Liberal-republican countries and B) imply that a subpopulation is obligated to curate a group of visible people or artworks that best represent it so that only those people may be shown to other groups of people and any other people not fit to be in that 'display population' must be suppressed are part of Liberal-republicanism -> the more times you see it the more it becomes clear that this is something being pounded into people by their surrounding society until even when people aren't thinking about Liberal-republican politics they still have a background Liberal-republicanism in their head beating them up for not behaving like Liberal-republicanism at all times of day. "Communism forcefully changes your mind" my foot, you can say that when you explain where {{em\|this}} comes from.<br/>
			point 2: whenever people propose this applies to transgender representation, blue anarchists stand up against it, showing there is a difference between blue anarchism and Liberal-republicanism even though the two are often in league with each other at other times.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}All agorisms are blue; any apparent "charcoal anarchisms" that are agorisms are not to be considered charcoal anarchisms, and are to be considered blue anarchisms

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Linguistics is blue -> this is something of an arbitrary decision I just made and stuck with, largely because other blue philosophies had become so tirelessly obsessed with language and, for instance, using language as the ultimate evidence that something exists within society.

			{{li\|I=S2/LLM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Large language models (philosophy tag {{TTS\|LLM}}) are the same color as structuralist linguistics, which means they are blue; this is because structuralist linguistics and large language models carry out basically the same purpose of explaining the connection between casual interactions in material reality and the relationships between words inside language <!-- search: the same colour -->

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

Reversedragon: horror swatch and science swatch

2026-06-20T00:56:00Z

horror swatch and science swatch

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 {{NextNineThousand|PPPA=color swatch system|User=RD|E=Q12,9,92|Contents=y}}
 == Main entry ==
-{{HueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean  field_ML">
+{{OldHueCSS}}<ol class="hue clean  field_ML">
 {{li|start=y|I=S1/MX|Q=12,9,90|Q2=12990}}{{int:sitename}} philosophy classification systems / philosophy tag / philosophy code / ideology code / ideology tag / philosophy tag or ideology code for "non-partisan" field of academic study
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 {{li|start=y|I=S2/MX/IV|Q=12,9,74|Q2=12974}}Trotskyism is orange / Trotskyism is fire-red  ->  I'd say you shouldn't phrase it like that but the Pokémon on the cover of FireRed is Charizard, and Charizard is orange. there is a very weird joke trying to pop out of this statement involving the Trotskyist swatch and Charizard
 </li></ol>

Reversedragon: new Western-Marxism swatch

2026-06-19T03:46:13Z

new Western-Marxism swatch

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/MD\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Early Bolshevism is vermilion }} / The vermilion swatch color, neatly in-between the crimson and flame-orange swatches, will be used to represent real or hypothetical versions of Marxism that combine both Trotskyist theorists and "Stalinist" theorists; this swatch refers to very few concrete things that have already happened, but may or may not include Lenin himself, and includes the hypothetical situation of crimson parties (not strawberry parties) and orange parties attempting to form a Communist International in order to settle onto one version of Marxism / The vermilion swatch color ({{TTS\|html=code\|.field_14quarters\|field fourteen-quarters}}) will be used to represent alliances between "Stalinists" and Trotskyists, without intending to clearly imply these alliances are stable		{{li\|I=S2/MX/MD\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Early Bolshevism is vermilion }} / The vermilion swatch color, neatly in-between the crimson and flame-orange swatches, will be used to represent real or hypothetical versions of Marxism that combine both Trotskyist theorists and "Stalinist" theorists; this swatch refers to very few concrete things that have already happened, but may or may not include Lenin himself, and includes the hypothetical situation of crimson parties (not strawberry parties) and orange parties attempting to form a Communist International in order to settle onto one version of Marxism / The vermilion swatch color ({{TTS\|html=code\|.field_14quarters\|field fourteen-quarters}}) will be used to represent alliances between "Stalinists" and Trotskyists, without intending to clearly imply these alliances are stable

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985}}Eclectic Marxism is strawberry

			{{li\|I=S2/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Non-Marxism posing as eclectic Marxism is silver red-blue; this is a specialized variant within the strawberry swatch which is a direct variation on it

	{{li\|I=S2/LR\|Q=12,9,76\|Q2=12976}}Liberal-republicanism is blue -> for this swatch, I really just wanted it to be "sky blue, a second time".		{{li\|I=S2/LR\|Q=12,9,76\|Q2=12976}}Liberal-republicanism is blue -> for this swatch, I really just wanted it to be "sky blue, a second time".

Reversedragon: set up some markup for testing upgraded list templates / stylesheets

2026-06-17T08:28:10Z

set up some markup for testing upgraded list templates / stylesheets

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	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields (test) ==
			<ol class="hue clean">

	* MX / meta-Marxism		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX\|Q=92\|Q2=92}}{{abbr\|MX\|tts=meta-\|title=meta-Marxism}} / meta-Marxism
			{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=41,03\|Q2=4103}}{{abbr\|ML\|tts=M-L\|title=mainstream Marxism-Leninism}} / mainstream Marxism-Leninism
			{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=41,04\|Q2=4104}}{{abbr\|IV\|tts=Fourth\|title=Trotskyism}} / Trotskyism

			</li></ol>

			== Wavebuilder combinations (test) ==
			<dl class="wikitable hue data_wavebuild three"><!-- inactive: field_exstruct field_relativity field_horror -->
			{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/LR\|Liberal-republicanism}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|conclusion}} }}
			{{WaveBuild\| {{E:Q618/STM\|physics}} \| {{E:Q618/MX\|plurality}} \| {{E:Q618/GR\|relativity}} }}
			</dl>

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2026-06-16T08:18:29Z

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Opportunism is blue / Within Liberal-republicanism, if a party claiming to be Stalin's Marxism or Trotskyism hands people over to center-Liberalism under the guise of "finding" a mass movement or effecting "a total transformation of society" with only a center-Liberal party (a telltale sign of Marxism turning into Menshevism), it has integrated itself into Liberal-republicanism and it is also blue -> after seeing what Pablo and then Grant and then Woods kept doing, I think it's safe to say opportunism itself is blue assuming that it happens inside Liberal-republicanism. it might also be blue in select cases within Third World Marxisms, but I'm not delving into that right now.

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red		{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red

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	{{li\|I=S2/STM\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The sciences are earth }} / The earth green or chlorophyll green swatch will be used for subjects within science, technology, engineering or math -> in early drafts of the color swatch system the science and mathematics swatch was cyan because I thought that was a fairly "computerized" color, but then when the optional humanities swatch color was created I had to change it because I realized that putting the humanities neatly in between language and literature per-se was a lot more logical. wanting the sciences to still have an appealing and recognizable color, I changed it to a foliage or chlorophyll color		{{li\|I=S2/STM\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The sciences are earth }} / The earth green or chlorophyll green swatch will be used for subjects within science, technology, engineering or math -> in early drafts of the color swatch system the science and mathematics swatch was cyan because I thought that was a fairly "computerized" color, but then when the optional humanities swatch color was created I had to change it because I realized that putting the humanities neatly in between language and literature per-se was a lot more logical. wanting the sciences to still have an appealing and recognizable color, I changed it to a foliage or chlorophyll color

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Socialism in one country is red }} / Any Marxism that contains socialism in one country is red, unless it has any other distinctive characteristics that are more relevant

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/IV\|Q=12,9,74\|Q2=12974\|h4= Trotskyism is orange }} / The flame-orange swatch color will be used for Trotskyism (the totality of attempts to form a Fourth International; philosophy tag {{TTS\|IV\|'Fourth'}}) to reflect its deep and ongoing material conflict with Stalin's Marxism ({{TTS\|ML}}) from circa 1904 through 2026; their neatly symmetric, back-and-forth "civil war" with each other in which they have [[E:unity of opposites (Marxism)\|defined and changed each other]] through [[E:material contradiction (Marxism)\|sustained resistance to each other]] arguably makes them entirely separate movements that at some unclear point in history (or fuzzy range of time) divided off and put a gap between each other instead of remaining two wings of one movement		{{li\|I=S2/MX/IV\|Q=12,9,74\|Q2=12974\|h4= Trotskyism is orange }} / The flame-orange swatch color will be used for Trotskyism (the totality of attempts to form a Fourth International; philosophy tag {{TTS\|IV\|'Fourth'}}) to reflect its deep and ongoing material conflict with Stalin's Marxism ({{TTS\|ML}}) from circa 1904 through 2026; their neatly symmetric, back-and-forth "civil war" with each other in which they have [[E:unity of opposites (Marxism)\|defined and changed each other]] through [[E:material contradiction (Marxism)\|sustained resistance to each other]] arguably makes them entirely separate movements that at some unclear point in history (or fuzzy range of time) divided off and put a gap between each other instead of remaining two wings of one movement
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985\|h4= Eclectic Marxism is strawberry }} / Eclectic versions of Marxism that contain some amount of Marxism yet improperly mix in Idealism, religion, conflating peasants and employees, or other particular forms of bourgeois ideology that cause problems for understanding Marxism will be marked with the pale-red "strawberry" swatch color -> this is one of the shakiest "basic rules" — I think the distinction between Materialism ({{TTS\|ML}}) and eclectic Materialism (philosophy tags {{TTS\|W, DX\|West, DX}}) is solid, but I am not entirely sure if the strawberry swatch should be divided into more swatches when it comes to identifying social structures which are particularly at fault for generating strawberry ideology.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985\|h4= Eclectic Marxism is strawberry }} / Eclectic versions of Marxism that contain some amount of Marxism yet improperly mix in Idealism, religion, conflating peasants and employees, or other particular forms of bourgeois ideology that cause problems for understanding Marxism will be marked with the pale-red "strawberry" swatch color -> this is one of the shakiest "basic rules" — I think the distinction between Materialism ({{TTS\|ML}}) and eclectic Materialism (philosophy tags {{TTS\|W, DX\|West, DX}}) is solid, but I am not entirely sure if the strawberry swatch should be divided into more swatches when it comes to identifying social structures which are particularly at fault for generating strawberry ideology.

	{{li\|I=S2/LGBT\|Q=618\|h4= Woman is not an ideology }} / Muslim is not a political party / Taoism is not a historical period — though Maoism is / African-American is not a mode of production / Italian is not an international government / There should never be new swatches for identity-based movements existing below the national level, except given special reasoning for why those swatches are especially relevant to describing internationalism; this applies specifically to color swatches, not to text-based philosophy tags -> "LGBT" is one of the only identity movements to be granted its own swatch specifically based on identity as opposed to based on its material strategy.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/LGBT\|Q=618\|h4= Woman is not an ideology }} / Muslim is not a political party / Taoism is not a historical period — though Maoism is / African-American is not a mode of production / Italian is not an international government / There should never be new swatches for identity-based movements existing below the national level, except given special reasoning for why those swatches are especially relevant to describing internationalism; this applies specifically to color swatches, not to text-based philosophy tags -><br/>
			"LGBT" is one of the only identity movements to be granted its own swatch specifically based on identity as opposed to based on its material strategy.<br/>
	"Dengism", despite being highly associated with China, is not a demographic identity {{em\|inside}} China, it's the whole China, and likewise "Juche-socialism" is the whole North Korea. BlackPantherism is a bit borderline but it passes because of the remark that it could expand over the country and wasn't specifically Black. Trotskyism either spuriously or actually claims to be international, so any argument that it is in fact a demographic identity isn't relevant here as that isn't a mainstream perception of it. "feminism" will not have a swatch because it is easily collapsed into a Liberal-republican interest group and weaponized against trans people. "Muslim socialism" will not have a swatch, although "religious socialism" as a very general category would be closer to being acceptable. "fascism" gets a swatch of some sort; "Italian fascism" doesn't get a swatch. any movement which can actually be defined based on summaries of its material behavior as opposed to culture and can be described as it applies to multiple possible cultural identities is exempt from these rules. "North American Maoism" could have a swatch if it became really relevant and as long as its material behavior can be distinguished from "(Chinese) Maoism" or "(Indian) Maoism".<br/>		"Dengism", despite being highly associated with China, is not a demographic identity {{em\|inside}} China, it's the whole China, and likewise "Juche-socialism" is the whole North Korea. BlackPantherism is a bit borderline but it passes because of the remark that it could expand over the country and wasn't specifically Black. Trotskyism either spuriously or actually claims to be international, so any argument that it is in fact a demographic identity isn't relevant here as that isn't a mainstream perception of it. "feminism" will not have a swatch because it is easily collapsed into a Liberal-republican interest group and weaponized against trans people. "Muslim socialism" will not have a swatch, although "religious socialism" as a very general category would be closer to being acceptable. "fascism" gets a swatch of some sort; "Italian fascism" doesn't get a swatch. any movement which can actually be defined based on summaries of its material behavior as opposed to culture and can be described as it applies to multiple possible cultural identities is exempt from these rules. "North American Maoism" could have a swatch if it became really relevant and as long as its material behavior can be distinguished from "(Chinese) Maoism" or "(Indian) Maoism".<br/>
	"LGBT tradition" is one of the only things that genuinely needs and gets an exception from these rules because it's one of the few things that deliberately draws on demographic identity characteristics themselves to produce generalized philosophy which becomes separate from identity. the concept of "queerness" is tightly tied to identity at first, but then becomes its own thing that can be used to describe the dynamics of several other identities as they relate to the rest of society — autistic identity, mental illness associated identity, disabled identity — which experience a similar exclusion and process of having to decide whether to "stay apart" or "fit in". the "queerness metaphor" has a lot of value in describing other movements, so it's useful to have an LGBT swatch to crystallize and focus on that paradigm as it will be used to vaguely associate to the other movements.<br/>		"LGBT tradition" is one of the only things that genuinely needs and gets an exception from these rules because it's one of the few things that deliberately draws on demographic identity characteristics themselves to produce generalized philosophy which becomes separate from identity. the concept of "queerness" is tightly tied to identity at first, but then becomes its own thing that can be used to describe the dynamics of several other identities as they relate to the rest of society — autistic identity, mental illness associated identity, disabled identity — which experience a similar exclusion and process of having to decide whether to "stay apart" or "fit in". the "queerness metaphor" has a lot of value in describing other movements, so it's useful to have an LGBT swatch to crystallize and focus on that paradigm as it will be used to vaguely associate to the other movements.<br/>
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Ag\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Agorism is blue / The sky blue swatch will be used for agorism (philosophy tag {{TTS\|Ag}}), which is here taken to be the general space of ideologies based on a group of people clustering together to resist existing parties or states while united around "the totality of non-aggressive activities prohibited by The State for no good reason", whether that locus of non-aggression is explicitly defined as a cluster of non-aggressive {{em\|businesses}} or more vaguely defined as a broad cluster of demographic identities and single-issue movements that are not in favor of Third World countries having Bolshevism but are "against domination"

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Distorted Trotskyisms are red }} / Corrupted Trotskyisms are red / Any Marxism that highly resembles Trotskyism but fails to meet Trotskyism's own criteria for being Trotskyism is the same swatch color as Stalin's Marxism, and thus is the crimson swatch; these include being rejected from Trotskyism for socialism in one country, being rejected from Trotskyism for calling the national bourgeoisie a [[E:dictatorship-of-the-proletariat\|dictatorship of the "proletariat"]], etc. / Bordigism is red

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/W/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is red (sense) / The crimson swatch will be used for the process of a population transitioning into Bolshevism (Leninist revolution) according to Antonio Gramsci, if and when he is describing a process that is based specifically on material arrangements of people, that process is largely concerned with employees or potential employees who do not own businesses getting into some kind of arrangement, and that process is not primarily based in "changing people's mentality" or "controlling ideas"; if Gramsci describes workers filling up corporations or institutions, that might qualify, but if he specifically describes intellectuals filling up an institution and it is not considered peripheral to the tasks of the workers then it does not qualify under this proposition -> I genuinely think Gramscianism is at least two different colors depending on who's doing it.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/W/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is red (sense) / The crimson swatch will be used for the process of a population transitioning into Bolshevism (Leninist revolution) according to Antonio Gramsci, if and when he is describing a process that is based specifically on material arrangements of people, that process is largely concerned with employees or potential employees who do not own businesses getting into some kind of arrangement, and that process is not primarily based in "changing people's mentality" or "controlling ideas"; if Gramsci describes workers filling up corporations or institutions, that might qualify, but if he specifically describes intellectuals filling up an institution and it is not considered peripheral to the tasks of the workers then it does not qualify under this proposition -> I genuinely think Gramscianism is at least two different colors depending on who's doing it.
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is strawberry / The strawberry swatch will be used for methods described by Antonio Gramsci which involve non-proletarian classes attempting to occupy parts of society over short or long periods to protect it from "fascism", violent Tories, capitalist resistance to anti-capitalist movements, and so forth; this may range from simple entryism up to larger-scale events that slowly begin to resemble permanent revolution yet involve a strangely large number of non-proletarian activists -> as of June 2026, I am starting to think I maybe actually had agorism confused with Gramscianism, given how on the ground everything is so secret and unlabeled and fractured and disorganized and I feel like most of the people who are actually trying to do 'wars of position' actually have nearly no idea what they're doing.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Gramscianism is strawberry / The strawberry swatch will be used for methods described by Antonio Gramsci which involve non-proletarian classes attempting to occupy parts of society over short or long periods to protect it from "fascism", violent Tories, capitalist resistance to anti-capitalist movements, and so forth; this may range from simple entryism up to larger-scale events that slowly begin to resemble permanent revolution yet involve a strangely large number of non-proletarian activists -> as of June 2026, I am starting to think I maybe actually had agorism confused with Gramscianism, given how on the ground everything is so secret and unlabeled and fractured and disorganized and I feel like most of the people who are actually trying to do 'wars of position' actually have nearly no idea what they're doing.<br/>
	my thoughts now are... if a "Marxism" doesn't contain any Communist theorists, is it even an eclectic Marxism? or is it just something entirely different? I'm starting to think that there are a vast number of ideologies that are separable and in conflict and yet all blue. that is a headache to try to keep track of using swatches. I guess I will just have to mark out a ridiculous number of shades of blue under the {{TTS\|html=code\|.field_exstruct\|field ex-struct}} range in the stylesheet so they can be used on the pages where different agorisms are fighting each other. I could have made Toryism blue if I'd done that early; oh well. maybe I will make a specialized swatch only to be used on pages that are really down in the weeds of US politics so the Republicans, Democrats, and Federalist Party are all blue.		my thoughts now are... if a "Marxism" doesn't contain any Communist theorists, is it even an eclectic Marxism? or is it just something entirely different? I'm starting to think that there are a vast number of ideologies that are separable and in conflict and yet all blue. that is a headache to try to keep track of using swatches. I guess I will just have to mark out a ridiculous number of shades of blue under the {{TTS\|html=code\|.field_exstruct\|field ex-struct}} range in the stylesheet so they can be used on the pages where different agorisms are fighting each other. I could have made Toryism blue if I'd done that early; oh well. maybe I will make a specialized swatch only to be used on pages that are really down in the weeds of US politics so the Republicans, Democrats, and Federalist Party are all blue.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/JC\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Juche-socialism is Dengism / Juche-socialism is the same swatch color as Dengism / Juche-socialism and Dengism are the same thing with no actually-meaningful differences, because both of them revolve around national unity and center-wing nationalism, and both of them involve the country filling up at least halfway with private businesses but in some cases not all the way; this is to imply that Juche-socialism should be the strawberry swatch color if Dengism is the strawberry swatch color -> I hesitate to make North Korea blue because as far as I know it hasn't totally filled up with private businesses yet and is doing just marginally better on that than China and Cuba. there's no real guarantee it will stay that way

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The concept of "community senators" is blue / All statements which A) originate from within Liberal-republican countries and B) imply that a subpopulation is obligated to curate a group of visible people or artworks that best represent it so that only those people may be shown to other groups of people and any other people not fit to be in that 'display population' must be suppressed are part of Liberal-republicanism -> the more times you see it the more it becomes clear that this is something being pounded into people by their surrounding society until even when people aren't thinking about Liberal-republican politics they still have a background Liberal-republicanism in their head beating them up for not behaving like Liberal-republicanism at all times of day. "Communism forcefully ~~changes~~ your mind" my foot, you can say that when you explain where {{em\|this}} comes from.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The concept of "community senators" is blue / All statements which A) originate from within Liberal-republican countries and B) imply that a subpopulation is obligated to curate a group of visible people or artworks that best represent it so that only those people may be shown to other groups of people and any other people not fit to be in that 'display population' must be suppressed are part of Liberal-republicanism -> the more times you see it the more it becomes clear that this is something being pounded into people by their surrounding society until even when people aren't thinking about Liberal-republican politics they still have a background Liberal-republicanism in their head beating them up for not behaving like Liberal-republicanism at all times of day. "Communism tries to forcefully change your mind" my foot, you can say that when you explain where {{em\|this}} comes from.<br/>
	point 2: whenever people propose this applies to transgender representation, blue anarchists stand up against it, showing there is a difference between blue anarchism and Liberal-republicanism even though the two are often in league with each other at other times.		point 2: whenever people propose this applies to transgender representation, blue anarchists stand up against it, showing there is a difference between blue anarchism and Liberal-republicanism even though the two are often in league with each other at other times.

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	{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The humanities are blue-green }} / The blue-green swatch color will be used for the humanities to reflect their position in between linguistics (blue) and fiction (bright green)		{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= The humanities are blue-green }} / The blue-green swatch color will be used for the humanities to reflect their position in between linguistics (blue) and fiction (bright green)

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Fictional works are green		{{li\|I=S2/MX/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Fictional works, storytelling, narrative-based Media Representation, and fandoms are green

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Dark stories are forest }} / The dark green or forest green swatch color will be used for concepts within the scope of the bright green swatch color which involve "dark" events, which at different times may include horror works, tragedy works, dark-fantasy works, conceptual swaths of things identified as elemental antagonisms within fiction (for instance, the consistent dichotomy of Good versus Prosecutors in the {{game\|Ace Attorney}} games), villains, or evil empires; the dark green swatch color is a direct variation on the bright green swatch color -> this swatch mostly exists to break up really long lines of green, so that discussing fiction doesn't make the swatch system pointless.		{{li\|I=S2/MX/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Dark stories are forest }} / The dark green or forest green swatch color will be used for concepts within the scope of the bright green swatch color which involve "dark" events, which at different times may include horror works, tragedy works, dark-fantasy works, conceptual swaths of things identified as elemental antagonisms within fiction (for instance, the consistent dichotomy of Good versus Prosecutors in the {{game\|Ace Attorney}} games), villains, or evil empires; the dark green swatch color is a direct variation on the bright green swatch color -> this swatch mostly exists to break up really long lines of green, so that discussing fiction doesn't make the swatch system pointless.

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX/MD\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Early Bolshevism is vermilion }} / The vermilion swatch color, neatly in-between the crimson and flame-orange swatches, will be used to represent real or hypothetical versions of Marxism that combine both Trotskyist theorists and "Stalinist" theorists; this swatch refers to very few concrete things that have already happened, but may or may not include Lenin himself, and includes the hypothetical situation of crimson parties (not strawberry parties) and orange parties attempting to form a Communist International in order to settle onto one version of Marxism / The vermilion swatch color ({{TTS\|html=code\|.field_14quarters\|field fourteen-quarters}}) will be used to represent alliances between "Stalinists" and Trotskyists, without intending to clearly imply these alliances are stable		{{li\|I=S2/MX/MD\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Early Bolshevism is vermilion }} / The vermilion swatch color, neatly in-between the crimson and flame-orange swatches, will be used to represent real or hypothetical versions of Marxism that combine both Trotskyist theorists and "Stalinist" theorists; this swatch refers to very few concrete things that have already happened, but may or may not include Lenin himself, and includes the hypothetical situation of crimson parties (not strawberry parties) and orange parties attempting to form a Communist International in order to settle onto one version of Marxism / The vermilion swatch color ({{TTS\|html=code\|.field_14quarters\|field fourteen-quarters}}) will be used to represent alliances between "Stalinists" and Trotskyists, without intending to clearly imply these alliances are stable

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/DX\|Q=12,9,85\|Q2=12985}}Eclectic Marxism is strawberry

			{{li\|I=S2/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Non-Marxism posing as eclectic Marxism is silver red-blue; this is a specialized variant within the strawberry swatch which is a direct variation on it

	{{li\|I=S2/LR\|Q=12,9,76\|Q2=12976}}Liberal-republicanism is blue -> for this swatch, I really just wanted it to be "sky blue, a second time".		{{li\|I=S2/LR\|Q=12,9,76\|Q2=12976}}Liberal-republicanism is blue -> for this swatch, I really just wanted it to be "sky blue, a second time".