Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q174 - Revision history

Reversedragon: up-reductionism

2026-08-13T05:01:32Z

up-reductionism

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			{{li\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=401\|Q2=401}}{{TTS\|tts=up-reductionism\|upreductionism}} or {{i\|ana}}-reductionism / retermination ([[Term:reterminism\|relativistic determination or determinism]]; framed as a new kind of reductionism) / emergence (the subset of emergence which is relatively predictable and involves one scale of things producing a larger scale of things) -><br/>
			science communicators and anti-science people need to understand the distinction between splitting atoms to find the quarks and attempting to predict atoms from quarks, and realize that the latter is still sometimes possible even if it's a lot harder. let's think about weather models: a lot of big objects like cold fronts and warm fronts interact to produce a weather outcome. when the weather report is correct you've managed to do up-reductionism.<br />
			it's taking all of me to not flip the swatch color to <code>STM</code> from <code>MX</code> and say this is already science. no, I need a science article. a credible science hypothesis in an article will do as far as marking this a motif; you'd need more to mark it Z0 but that would prove it's being discussed in science and not just in philosophy.

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Reversedragon: formatting / proofread

2026-08-13T04:55:28Z

formatting / proofread

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	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_mdem" value~~="174~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~[[~~Ontology~~:Q174\|atom-like entity]] -> an atom-like entity is a mostly-indivisible unit which contains the capacity for particular patterns when combined with particular other atom-like entities. a chemical element is the prototypical example: two hydrogens and one oxygen form water. but one hypothesis I am trying to investigate is the possibility that individuals of particular ~~ideologies~~ are atom-like entities, and when put together in various "compounds" they form specific ~~ideologies~~. I feel like there is some remote possibility that one day there could just be a periodic table of ideologies that is as prosaic and numerical as the study of chemical elements and chemical compounds.<br /> an atom-like entity is <em>not~~</em>~~ an entity that can be considered in total isolation from all others akin to a helium atom. I really don't like models like [[E:Q1980\|Rothenberg's]] that imply that, because not even chemistry works that way. chemistry may be reductionist, but the predictable emergences from the elements are the whole study of chemistry.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=174\|Q2=174}}[[E:Q174\|atom-like entity]] (meta-Marxism) -> an atom-like entity is a mostly-indivisible unit which contains the capacity for particular patterns when combined with particular other atom-like entities. a chemical element is the prototypical example: two hydrogens and one oxygen form water. but one hypothesis I am trying to investigate is the possibility that individuals of particular philosophies are atom-like entities, and when put together in various "compounds" they form specific sociophilosophies (types of political parties, types of Marxist tendencies, etc). I feel like there is some remote possibility that one day there could just be a periodic table of ideologies that is as prosaic and numerical as the study of chemical elements and chemical compounds.<br/>
			an atom-like entity is {{em\|not}} an entity that can be considered in total isolation from all others akin to a helium atom. I really don't like models like [[E:Q1980\|Rothenberg's]] that imply that, because not even chemistry works that way. chemistry may be reductionist, but the predictable emergences from the elements are the whole study of chemistry.

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Reversedragon: copy markup from Q90

2026-08-13T04:52:42Z

copy markup from Q90

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</li><li class="field_mdem" value="174" data-dimension="S">[[Ontology:Q174|atom-like entity]] -> an atom-like entity is a mostly-indivisible unit which contains the capacity for particular patterns when combined with particular other atom-like entities. a chemical element is the prototypical example: two hydrogens and one oxygen form water. but one hypothesis I am trying to investigate is the possibility that individuals of particular ideologies are atom-like entities, and when put together in various "compounds" they form specific ideologies. I feel like there is some remote possibility that one day there could just be a periodic table of ideologies that is as prosaic and numerical as the study of chemical elements and chemical compounds.<br /> an atom-like entity is <em>not</em> an entity that can be considered in total isolation from all others akin to a helium atom. I really don't like models like [[E:Q1980|Rothenberg's]] that imply that, because not even chemistry works that way. chemistry may be reductionist, but the predictable emergences from the elements are the whole study of chemistry.
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