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Reversedragon: When proletarians go to work they do not accumulate a business territory

2026-04-12T09:18:15Z

When proletarians go to work they do not accumulate a business territory

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			{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|work=Q18,47\|chapter=2}}When you go to work you do not gain a business territory / When proletarians go to work they do not accumulate a business territory; they do not accumulate business property or capital {{i\|per se}} [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm] -> it's super important to specify the word "proletarian" here because if we didn't, this statement would be false in the United States where increasingly every worker accumulates 'experience' and social capital and effectively accumulates a business territory by working.<br/>
			it's complicated why that happens. one reason is that the United States has been trying as hard as it can to enforce perfect competition between the bourgeoisie and [[E:Arceism\|prevent them from getting big]]. but that never really works, so the result is to continuously destroy corporations and call it progress. this gives the unintentional 'bonus' of taking worker power away along with bourgeois power because if workers don't have anywhere to work they can't fight back. the result that is produced out of this is that people are being required to be able to create businesses at any time or claim highly exclusive positions just to be sure they will be able to make any money at all. thus the Careerist is born, who is constantly a temporarily embarrassed owner but is sometimes employed.

			{{li\|I=S2/ML/W\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|work=Q18,47\|chapter=2}}When you go to work you do not gain a business territory -> you know, the more I think about this, the more I think anarchists are trying to subvert it. there is a rather pervasive narrative going around in anarchism and parts of Western-Marxism that if workers hold out the right way they can turn the business into a co-op and effectively accumulate a business territory that way.<br/>
			again, a bit of a Careerist fantasy in that it conceptualizes the purpose of businesses as being seized by somebody who wants wealth, and doesn't conceptualize them as facilities that increasingly become part of society such that history is causing things to develop and build on their prior states and ultimately there come to be no free claimable slots like that. of course... that characterization of capitalism of development only going forward is very simplistic, and I doubt it's entirely true either.

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2026-04-11T05:32:14Z

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