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		<title>Reversedragon: Societies forget workers are connected</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Societies forget workers are connected&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 10:30, 28 July 2026&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l11&quot;&gt;Line 11:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== The commodity ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== The commodity ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{li|start=y|I=S2/ML|Q=28,16|Q2=2816|h4= Societies forget workers are connected }} / Societies forget the relationship of workers to workers (workers to corporation; workers to proletarian class) because society is covered in relationships from corporations to corporations (commodity to commodity, product to product; owner to owner; owner to bourgeois class) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm] / commodity fetishism (generic) / abstraction of human labor (generic) / universality of commodity form (generic) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm]  -&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;which word is this again? early Marxism makes a lot of sense but sometimes I get lost in exactly what term I&#039;m talking about. I&#039;m glad I made a system where concepts can be entire propositions because that&#039;s so much {{TTS|easier|easier.}}&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; I think this proposition is commodity fetishism. it&#039;s about the idea that products sell for something because &#039;that&#039;s what the product is&#039; and not because workers exist or even because individual virtuosos exist. I just made it really obvious by associating products with capitalists who are going to take credit for planning them or at least put out a lot of hype about them&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Reversedragon: copy markup from Q65,63</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;copy markup from &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Special:PermanentLink/44607&quot; title=&quot;Special:PermanentLink/44607&quot;&gt;Q65,63&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=Capital volume 1|User=RD|E=Q1867|NoContents=y}}&lt;br /&gt;
== Main entry ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!-- {{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy|Q=38,45|Q2=3845}}[[E:Q38,45|superstructural fantasy world]] / ({{9k|RD/Q38,45}})  -&amp;gt;  very prominent motif in {{game|Undertale}} and {{game|Deltarune}} that quietly sneaks into these analyses in various ways. the outside world, the barrier. the videogame, the commentary. the videogame, the cynicism. the videogame, the weird creepypasta distortion. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== The commodity ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Related ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!-- {{li|start=y|I=S1/DX|tradition=|Q=12,0,48|Q2=12048}} --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,68&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1868&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;Z&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;cite&amp;gt;Capital&amp;lt;/cite&amp;gt; volume II  (Marx 1863/1893)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,69&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1869&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;Z&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;cite&amp;gt;Capital&amp;lt;/cite&amp;gt; volume III (Marx 1863/1894)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,70&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1870&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;Z&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;cite&amp;gt;Capital&amp;lt;/cite&amp;gt; volume IV  (Marx 1863/[https://marxistleninists.org/M&amp;amp;E/index.htm 1963])&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,71&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1871&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;Z&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;cite&amp;gt;Theories of surplus value&amp;lt;/cite&amp;gt;  -&amp;gt;  sometimes separated from Capital vol IV, sometimes grouped into it&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,72&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1872&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;S0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(further divisions of volume IV?)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&amp;lt;li class=&amp;quot;field_ML&amp;quot; data-qid=&amp;quot;18,73&amp;quot; value=&amp;quot;1873&amp;quot; data-dimension=&amp;quot;S0&amp;quot;&amp;gt;(further divisions of volume IV?)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ideologies or fields ==&lt;br /&gt;
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    |I=S1/MN|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{TTS|MN|M.N.}} / early Marxism&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{article|Why Pixar&amp;#039;s Elemental Gets Racism Wrong}}. {{TTS|tts=YouTube channel The-Erudite-Critic|@TheEruditeCritic}}. ({{TTS|tts=originally posted|𝖔.}} &amp;lt;time datetime=&amp;quot;2025-01-18T19:05:48Z&amp;quot;&amp;gt;18 January 2025&amp;lt;/time&amp;gt; / {{TTS|tts=retrieved|𝖗.}} &amp;lt;time datetime=&amp;quot;2026-07-23T10:10:38H&amp;quot;&amp;gt;23 July 2026&amp;lt;/time&amp;gt;). time 7:20, 19:20. [Video]. YouTube. {{YouTube|KpRGOAXSMj8}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; --&lt;br /&gt;
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