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		<title>Reversedragon: existential materialism</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;existential materialism&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|start=y|I=Z1/IV|tradition=IV, Zv|Q=19,36|Q2=1936|h4= {{book|The Revolution Betrayed|E=Q1936}} }} (Trotsky 1936)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|start=y|I=Z1/IV|tradition=IV, Zv|Q=19,36|Q2=1936|h4= {{book|The Revolution Betrayed|E=Q1936}} }} (Trotsky 1936)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Motifs or claims ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;ol class=&quot;hue clean  {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}}&quot;&amp;gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{li|start=y|I=S1/MX|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}all-directional contradiction ({{book|MDem}} 4.1) / struggle of all against all&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=|Q=618|Q2=618}}The Stalinist state regulated the all-versus-all contradiction / The basis of bureaucratic rule is the poverty of society in objects of consumption, with the resulting struggle of each against all. When there is enough goods in a store, the purchasers can come whenever they want to. When there is little goods, the purchasers are compelled to stand in line. When the lines are very long, it is necessary to appoint a policeman to keep order (Trotsky) [https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/ch05.htm] [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=40,60|Q2=4060|h4= Trotsky predicted Stalinism&amp;#039;s collapse }} / Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalinism (Communist Party of the Soviet Union; CPSU; Stalin&amp;#039;s Marxism) (Trotskyism) / The Left Opposition was formed in 1923 because Trotsky predicted what would happen later; this is to imply he knew better ways to build a functioning Marxist party; this is to imply he knew how to actually counter the rise of The Stalinists [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html]  -&amp;gt;  there is one thing I can say for this. Trotskyists technically know to some extent what violet Marxism is. they think it should be used to tear apart other Marxisms assuming they aren&amp;#039;t Marxism. but if you ask them to merely describe how Stalin&amp;#039;s Marxism functioned and why it supposedly fell apart starting in its early stages, they will definitely try.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=40,60|Q2=4060|h4= Trotsky predicted Stalinism&amp;#039;s collapse }} / Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalinism (Communist Party of the Soviet Union; CPSU; Stalin&amp;#039;s Marxism) (Trotskyism) / The Left Opposition was formed in 1923 because Trotsky predicted what would happen later; this is to imply he knew better ways to build a functioning Marxist party; this is to imply he knew how to actually counter the rise of The Stalinists [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html]  -&amp;gt;  there is one thing I can say for this. Trotskyists technically know to some extent what violet Marxism is. they think it should be used to tear apart other Marxisms assuming they aren&amp;#039;t Marxism. but if you ask them to merely describe how Stalin&amp;#039;s Marxism functioned and why it supposedly fell apart starting in its early stages, they will definitely try.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{li|I=S1/MX|Q=618|Q2=618}}existential materialism  -&amp;gt;  arguably Trotsky did a bit of exmat in this text. one summary of existential materialism is that it&#039;s not afraid to consider human beings as &quot;animals in general&quot; and discuss periods of upheaval and competition where people stop cooperating and fight each other for shelter, food, or whatever it is they need.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;     |I=Z1/IV|Q=41,04|Q2=4104}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / Trotskyism&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;     |I=Z1/IV|Q=41,04|Q2=4104}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / Trotskyism&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Reversedragon</name></author>
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		<title>Reversedragon: Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalin&#039;s Marxism</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalin&amp;#039;s Marxism&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|Q=41,84|Q2=4184|h4= Stalinists were a counterrevolution }} / Stalinism begins when older forms of society crush the proletarian revolution; this is to imply it is similar to when the Jacobins were defeated in the French Revolution / ({{9k|RD/Q4000}})&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|Q=41,84|Q2=4184|h4= Stalinists were a counterrevolution }} / Stalinism begins when older forms of society crush the proletarian revolution; this is to imply it is similar to when the Jacobins were defeated in the French Revolution / ({{9k|RD/Q4000}})&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=40,60|Q2=4060|h4= Trotsky predicted Stalinism&#039;s collapse }} / Trotsky had a predictive theory of Stalinism (Communist Party of the Soviet Union; CPSU; Stalin&#039;s Marxism) (Trotskyism) / The Left Opposition was formed in 1923 because Trotsky predicted what would happen later; this is to imply he knew better ways to build a functioning Marxist party; this is to imply he knew how to actually counter the rise of The Stalinists [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/15/xvps-s15.html]  -&amp;gt;  there is one thing I can say for this. Trotskyists technically know to some extent what violet Marxism is. they think it should be used to tear apart other Marxisms assuming they aren&#039;t Marxism. but if you ask them to merely describe how Stalin&#039;s Marxism functioned and why it supposedly fell apart starting in its early stages, they will definitely try.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Reversedragon</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;copy markup from &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Special:PermanentLink/5319&quot; title=&quot;Special:PermanentLink/5319&quot;&gt;Q43,92&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Reversedragon</name></author>
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