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Reversedragon: Yaroshenko

2026-06-27T05:43:58Z

Yaroshenko

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	{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenko -> I need to note that this man sent letters to everybody in the Politburo defending revisionist 'Marxism' a total of three times. after the first time the Politburo seems to have made a bad joke about arresting him. but after he had been demoted to work in Siberia came the second and third time, and the third one actually got him arrested. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SovietHistory/comments/av4yjz/discussion_yaroshenko_the_man_who_spammed/] Yaroshenko is impressive in all the wrong ways. this is the funniest thing I've learned about all week		{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenko -> I need to note that this man sent letters to everybody in the Politburo defending revisionist 'Marxism' a total of three times. after the first time the Politburo seems to have made a bad joke about arresting him. but after he had been demoted to work in Siberia came the second and third time, and the third one actually got him arrested. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SovietHistory/comments/av4yjz/discussion_yaroshenko_the_man_who_spammed/] Yaroshenko is impressive in all the wrong ways. this is the funniest thing I've learned about all week

	{{li\|I=Z1/LR/ES\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko -> I was marking Yaroshenko strawberry to be as generous as possible to the claim he supposedly believed in socialism and more than that to point out the broad similarities to what he said and what the current Communist Party of China does, but to be honest he could just as easily be blue. his similarity to the CPC puts both of them rather close to the Mensheviks of 1900 which in turn puts him close to Liberal-republicanism.		{{li\|I=Z1/LR/ES\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko -> I was marking Yaroshenko strawberry to be as generous as possible to the claim he supposedly believed in socialism and more than that to point out the broad similarities to what he said and what the current Communist Party of China does, but to be honest he could just as easily be blue. his similarity to the CPC puts both of them rather close to the Mensheviks of 1900 which in turn puts him close to Liberal-republicanism.<br/>
			at a certain point it gets kind of subjective what's strawberry and what's blue. in some ways they're both bad even in their best forms. the CPC does some things that are so bad you might say it's blue, but Gramscians and bourgeois national liberation movements sometimes do things that are good enough you want to mark them strawberry. even Khruschev not quite having destroyed the Soviet Union yet is, well, not as bad as it could have been. here we're getting into the drawbacks of [[E:slice analysis (meta-Marxism)\|slice analysis]] and the notion that slices and swatches don't perfectly convey all the processes inside dialectical materialism even though they're a clearer way of communicating historical events after they've happened. with all that said, Yaroshenko was such a downward turn for the Soviet Union that I think it's fair to mark him blue.

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Reversedragon: Yaroshenko

2026-06-27T05:35:48Z

Yaroshenko

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	{{li\|I=S1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenkoism / universal organizing science (Bogdanov, Yaroshenko) / technique of social organization (Bukharin, Yaroshenko)		{{li\|I=S1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenkoism / universal organizing science (Bogdanov, Yaroshenko) / technique of social organization (Bukharin, Yaroshenko)

	{{li\|I=S1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenko -> I need to note that this man sent letters to everybody in the Politburo defending revisionist 'Marxism' a total of three times. after the first time the Politburo seems to have made a bad joke about arresting him. but after he had been demoted to work in Siberia came the second and third time, and the third one actually got him arrested. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SovietHistory/comments/av4yjz/discussion_yaroshenko_the_man_who_spammed/] Yaroshenko is impressive in all the wrong ways. this is the funniest thing I've learned about all week		{{li\|I=Z1/DX\|Q=22,13\|Q2=2213}}Yaroshenko -> I need to note that this man sent letters to everybody in the Politburo defending revisionist 'Marxism' a total of three times. after the first time the Politburo seems to have made a bad joke about arresting him. but after he had been demoted to work in Siberia came the second and third time, and the third one actually got him arrested. [https://www.reddit.com/r/SovietHistory/comments/av4yjz/discussion_yaroshenko_the_man_who_spammed/] Yaroshenko is impressive in all the wrong ways. this is the funniest thing I've learned about all week

			{{li\|I=Z1/LR/ES\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko -> I was marking Yaroshenko strawberry to be as generous as possible to the claim he supposedly believed in socialism and more than that to point out the broad similarities to what he said and what the current Communist Party of China does, but to be honest he could just as easily be blue. his similarity to the CPC puts both of them rather close to the Mensheviks of 1900 which in turn puts him close to Liberal-republicanism.

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Reversedragon: Yaroshenko was more of a dictator than Stalin

2026-05-15T03:11:16Z

Yaroshenko was more of a dictator than Stalin

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	the main deal with the censor bar is basically that I put the censor bars in place to make the more serious entries appealing to older people (the entries that ironically probably won't contain any), but I don't want a bunch of ugly censor bars all over every Item label.<br/>		the main deal with the censor bar is basically that I put the censor bars in place to make the more serious entries appealing to older people (the entries that ironically probably won't contain any), but I don't want a bunch of ugly censor bars all over every Item label.<br/>
	you can have a sense label with swears in it if A) the quote is well-known or very significant B) it isn't shown on the Ontology page and is buried in the aliases page C) you manage to pull off meta humor about an SCP with a redacted number. I can't forget that one		you can have a sense label with swears in it if A) the quote is well-known or very significant B) it isn't shown on the Ontology page and is buried in the aliases page C) you manage to pull off meta humor about an SCP with a redacted number. I can't forget that one

			{{li\|I=S2/DX/MX\|Q=49,39\|Q2=4939}}Yaroshenko was the real dictator / Yaroshenko was more of a dictator than Stalin / Yaroshenko's domination surpassed Stalin's / Yaroshenko's authority surpassed Stalin's / Yaroshenko was more of a dictator than Stalin was; in adopting an Idealist view of how socialism functions, he attributed to the central party the ability to manipulate and strongarm every way society functions in order to achieve the results it desires no matter what the rest of reality outside the central party may want to do, while Stalin in fact said that reality functions only in particular ways and you must find the exact ways that small-scale economic structures transition into each other in order to bring large-scale change to society -><br/>
			this isn't actually a moral statement as much as a dry logical conclusion from putting definitions together, but you could choose to read it as a moral statement if you really wanted to. it's like they say in the sciences, science only draws dry conclusions about what leads to what, it doesn't truly produce statements of ethics in and of itself unless you begin with your own ethical goals and apply them to it. I want existential materialism to work exactly like that

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Reversedragon: Yaroshenko, we see through your [schemes]

2026-04-05T18:35:34Z

Yaroshenko, we see through your [schemes]

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	== ~~Claims~~ against ==		== Statements against ==
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	{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}In 1952 the Soviet Union was just beyond the horizon of commodities [https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv1n1/marksoc.htm] -> this is a very important observation because it seems there were a lot of fatal missteps in what was and wasn't creating commodities. Stalin was exactly tuned in as far as the concept that socialist transition was actually about making smaller structures into larger structures and a lot of other people in the central party just {{em\|weren't}}. disregard the 'profitability' of the smaller structures and maybe focus on the increasing productivity of much larger ones, is the impression I'm getting. very typical to the patterns of how good the Soviet Union's theorists were in basically every era, but tragic, because oh my god out of Stalin you got the most lucid description of the basics of what exiting Bolshevism to post-Bolshevism {{em\|is}}, it was right there, and then somehow nobody did it. I feel like there had to be external factors in play here because otherwise this development doesn't make any sense. Stalin was even catching the people introducing commodities and kicking them out of the party while he was there?? they had the examples, they should have had at least some idea what was going on and what the good and bad patterns were even without him.		{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}In 1952 the Soviet Union was just beyond the horizon of commodities [https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv1n1/marksoc.htm] -> this is a very important observation because it seems there were a lot of fatal missteps in what was and wasn't creating commodities. Stalin was exactly tuned in as far as the concept that socialist transition was actually about making smaller structures into larger structures and a lot of other people in the central party just {{em\|weren't}}. disregard the 'profitability' of the smaller structures and maybe focus on the increasing productivity of much larger ones, is the impression I'm getting. very typical to the patterns of how good the Soviet Union's theorists were in basically every era, but tragic, because oh my god out of Stalin you got the most lucid description of the basics of what exiting Bolshevism to post-Bolshevism {{em\|is}}, it was right there, and then somehow nobody did it. I feel like there had to be external factors in play here because otherwise this development doesn't make any sense. Stalin was even catching the people introducing commodities and kicking them out of the party while he was there?? they had the examples, they should have had at least some idea what was going on and what the good and bad patterns were even without him.

			{{li\|I=S1/ML\|Q=618}}Yaroshenko, we see through your {{censor\|shit\|tts=[schemes]}} -> I said this out loud in response to yet another example of conflating non-proletarians with workers and then was like... no, actually use this, I have to make this one a hidden sense label on something, this would make wonderful Wavebuilder combinations.<br/>
			the main deal with the censor bar is basically that I put the censor bars in place to make the more serious entries appealing to older people (the entries that ironically probably won't contain any), but I don't want a bunch of ugly censor bars all over every Item label.<br/>
			you can have a sense label with swears in it if A) the quote is well-known or very significant B) it isn't shown on the Ontology page and is buried in the aliases page C) you manage to pull off meta humor about an SCP with a redacted number. I can't forget that one

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Reversedragon: redirects

2026-03-28T19:45:26Z

redirects

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Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q22,13 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q22,13: Moving 9k pages to Ontology talk for search purposes

2026-03-28T19:45:00Z

Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q22,13 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q22,13: Moving 9k pages to Ontology talk for search purposes

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Reversedragon: re-sort

2026-03-28T04:20:40Z

re-sort

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}All relations of production do is limit the development of the productive forces (Yaroshenko)		{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}All relations of production do is limit the development of the productive forces (Yaroshenko)

			{{li\|I=S2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Bourgeois political economy and socialist political economy are completely different disciplines because of how (supposedly) workers have turned relations of production into productive forces -> this is {{em\|totally}} the kind of thing that creates Deng Xiaoping Thought if you try to do it too early

	{{li\|I=F2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Soviet-Union production relations are intelligently designed (Yaroshenko 1952) / Inside a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat, the workers have full control of the relations of production (Yaroshenko) -> that is clearly not true just because of uneven development. the NEP is one example of this, they had to have a phase of constructing free-floating corporations because there were no larger structures and the workers had no way to control those structures as processes.		{{li\|I=F2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Soviet-Union production relations are intelligently designed (Yaroshenko 1952) / Inside a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat, the workers have full control of the relations of production (Yaroshenko) -> that is clearly not true just because of uneven development. the NEP is one example of this, they had to have a phase of constructing free-floating corporations because there were no larger structures and the workers had no way to control those structures as processes.

	{{li\|I=S2/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Bourgeois political economy and socialist political economy are completely different disciplines because of how (supposedly) workers have turned relations of production into productive forces -> this is {{em\|totally}} the kind of thing that creates Deng Xiaoping Thought if you try to do it too early

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Reversedragon: In 1952 the Soviet Union was just beyond the horizon of commodities

2026-03-23T09:19:23Z

In 1952 the Soviet Union was just beyond the horizon of commodities

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	{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}During transition to upper-phase communism the post-structuralist character of markets will be abolished and a different form of product exchange will be created where people contribute products to an overall mono-structure and get the products they need without really worrying much about the detailed logistics of exactly how much everyone produced and exactly what products have to go to exactly what town and exactly what store; this is implied to be a very coarse description of all the small-scale changes that happened in the historical transition from state capitalism to upper-phase communism to allow people to build and operate the one or 14 mono-structures efficiently enough that the actions of individuals and isolated chunks are no longer handed such "heavy-lifting" tasks to solve daily problems		{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}During transition to upper-phase communism the post-structuralist character of markets will be abolished and a different form of product exchange will be created where people contribute products to an overall mono-structure and get the products they need without really worrying much about the detailed logistics of exactly how much everyone produced and exactly what products have to go to exactly what town and exactly what store; this is implied to be a very coarse description of all the small-scale changes that happened in the historical transition from state capitalism to upper-phase communism to allow people to build and operate the one or 14 mono-structures efficiently enough that the actions of individuals and isolated chunks are no longer handed such "heavy-lifting" tasks to solve daily problems

			{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}In 1952 the Soviet Union was just beyond the horizon of commodities [https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv1n1/marksoc.htm] -> this is a very important observation because it seems there were a lot of fatal missteps in what was and wasn't creating commodities. Stalin was exactly tuned in as far as the concept that socialist transition was actually about making smaller structures into larger structures and a lot of other people in the central party just {{em\|weren't}}. disregard the 'profitability' of the smaller structures and maybe focus on the increasing productivity of much larger ones, is the impression I'm getting. very typical to the patterns of how good the Soviet Union's theorists were in basically every era, but tragic, because oh my god out of Stalin you got the most lucid description of the basics of what exiting Bolshevism to post-Bolshevism {{em\|is}}, it was right there, and then somehow nobody did it. I feel like there had to be external factors in play here because otherwise this development doesn't make any sense. Stalin was even catching the people introducing commodities and kicking them out of the party while he was there?? they had the examples, they should have had at least some idea what was going on and what the good and bad patterns were even without him.

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2026-03-23T03:15:37Z

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