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Reversedragon: methodological individualism

2026-10-17T02:12:01Z

methodological individualism

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Reversedragon: poisoned cookie effect

2026-10-17T00:40:55Z

poisoned cookie effect

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,67\|Q2=3467}}community senators / community delegates (Liberal-republicanism) / representatives of the community -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other ~~and~~ [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,67\|Q2=3467}}community senators / community delegates (Liberal-republicanism) / representatives of the community -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other but [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].

	{{li\|I=S1/ES/LGBT\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,60\|Q2=3460}}president of all gay people / Gay President (hypothetical president of all gay or lesbian people inside a particular country) {{9k\|RD\|Q34,60}}		{{li\|I=S1/ES/LGBT\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,60\|Q2=3460}}president of all gay people / Gay President (hypothetical president of all gay or lesbian people inside a particular country) {{9k\|RD\|Q34,60}}

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	== Smart assessments ==		== Smart assessments ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}stereotype threat -> the motif, in academic literature, of socially-linked populations seeing that another surrounding or neighboring population is profiling them for particular types of threatening behavior or tacky self-expression, any number of purposes here, and to try to get rid of the stereotype attempt to self-censor or whack any badly-behaving member of the socially-linked population into line.<br />		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}poisoned cookie effect -> the motif of people avoiding social events, phenomena, or groups of people that should not be inherently dangerous because the small risk of terrible things happening anyway is unacceptable. usually because there is either no defense or no social support if the danger occurs.

			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}stereotype threat -> the motif, in academic literature, of socially-linked populations seeing that another surrounding or neighboring population is profiling them for particular types of threatening behavior or tacky self-expression, any number of purposes here, and to try to get rid of the stereotype attempt to self-censor or whack any badly-behaving member of the socially-linked population into line.<br />
	my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have [[E:president of all gay people\|national governments]]; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />		my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have [[E:president of all gay people\|national governments]]; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />
	realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.		realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.
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	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Deceive unions when necessary (Trotskyism) / "Maneuvers and subterfuge" are in this case only [[EC:9k/RD/Q19,04 Their morals and ours\|methods of valid self-defense]] against a perfidious reformist bureaucracy (trade union bureaucracy; Soviet bureaucracy) (Lenin, Trotsky) {{9k\|RD\|Q19,04}} -> when you think about this... why are the unions trying so hard to exterminate "dictatorial Communists"? because of exactly the things on this page. initial class rule and states form partially because countable populations of people are afraid of being attacked or subjugated by other populations as a whole population. it's very easy for that to happen to a union, where local capitalists have overwhelming access to money and connections and will surely fight back.		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Deceive unions when necessary (Trotskyism) / "Maneuvers and subterfuge" are in this case only [[EC:9k/RD/Q19,04 Their morals and ours\|methods of valid self-defense]] against a perfidious reformist bureaucracy (trade union bureaucracy; Soviet bureaucracy) (Lenin, Trotsky) {{9k\|RD\|Q19,04}} -> when you think about this... why are the unions trying so hard to exterminate "dictatorial Communists"? because of exactly the things on this page. initial class rule and states form partially because countable populations of people are afraid of being attacked or subjugated by other populations as a whole population. it's very easy for that to happen to a union, where local capitalists have overwhelming access to money and connections and will surely fight back.

	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}One of the hallmarks of capitalism is that all [[E:socially-linked subculture\|communities]] eventually become primarily represented by a layer of [[E:technocrat (existential materialism)\|technocratic experts]] ("societors", "Careerists") who concentrate every one of ordinary people's capabilities of "communitying" into their most admired form; in this context, "communities" refers to loose socially-linked collections of people ("the photography community", "the YouTube community", "the furry community"), and does not refer to physical settlements ("towns, villages, communities") or collections of people similar to ethnic groups ("the Black community", "the Christian community") unless they can be formulated as subcultures ("the lesbian cultural community", "the LGBT community (subculture)")		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}One of the hallmarks of capitalism is that all [[E:socially-linked subculture\|communities]] eventually become primarily represented by a layer of [[E:technocrat (existential materialism)\|technocratic experts]] ("societors", "Careerists") who concentrate every one of ordinary people's capabilities of "communitying" into their most admired form; in this context, "communities" refers to loose socially-linked collections of people ("the photography community", "the YouTube community", "the furry community"), and does not refer to physical settlements ("towns, villages, communities") nor collections of people similar to ethnic groups ("the Black community", "the Christian community") unless they can be formulated as subcultures ("the lesbian cultural community", "the LGBT community (subculture)")

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	== Dumb assessments; Martin Amis harasses Muslims ==		== Dumb assessments; Martin Amis harasses Muslims ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. ... Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children. They hate us for letting our children have sex and take drugs — well, they've got to stop their children killing people (Martin Amis) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/12/amis-d03.html] -> ethics is a fucking virus injected into other nationalities as a bioweapon		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. ... Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children. They hate us for letting our children have sex and take drugs — well, they've got to stop their children killing people (Martin Amis) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/12/amis-d03.html] -> ethics is a {{censor\|fucking}} virus injected into other nationalities as a bioweapon

	{{li\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}If I advocate harrassing all Arabs, airport security will not detain me the same amount of time as a White person -> well. at least he had to experience the system he wanted. the only bad thing about it is that he didn't actually learn anything.		{{li\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}If I advocate harrassing all Arabs, airport security will not detain me the same amount of time as a White person -> well. at least he had to experience the system he wanted. the only bad thing about it is that he didn't actually learn anything.

	{{li\|I=S1/PT\|tradition=\|Q=51,40\|Q2=5140}}a regular Arab, not an evil one ~~/ (~~{{9k\|RD/Q691}}) -> this unfortunately really belongs on this page. it's exactly what Amis talks about: the concept that if you are part of an identity that commits crimes according to him, as an individual you have to prove yourself {{em\|as that whole population}}. center-Liberals try to convince you the "regular Arabs" exist while Amis tries to convince you they all need to be punished because he usually doesn't see any. they argue back and forth and neither of them ever actually gets rid of the racism that divides them in two.		{{li\|I=S1/PT\|tradition=\|Q=51,40\|Q2=5140}}a regular Arab, not an evil one {{9k\|RD\|Q691}} -> this unfortunately really belongs on this page. it's exactly what Amis talks about: the concept that if you are part of an identity that commits crimes according to him, as an individual you have to prove yourself {{em\|as that whole entire population}}. center-Liberals try to convince you the "regular Arabs" exist while Amis tries to convince you they all need to be punished because he usually doesn't see any. they argue back and forth and neither of them ever actually gets rid of the racism that divides them in two.

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}methodological individualism

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	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==

Reversedragon: One of the hallmarks of capitalism is that all socially-linked subcultures eventually become primarily represented by a layer of technocratic experts

2026-10-09T11:03:13Z

One of the hallmarks of capitalism is that all socially-linked subcultures eventually become primarily represented by a layer of technocratic experts

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=~~618~~}}community senators -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other and [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,67\|Q2=3467}}community senators / community delegates (Liberal-republicanism) / representatives of the community -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other and [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].

	{{li\|I=S1/ES/LGBT\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,60\|Q2=3460}}president of all gay people / Gay President (hypothetical president of all gay or lesbian people inside a particular country) ~~/ (~~{{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})		{{li\|I=S1/ES/LGBT\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,60\|Q2=3460}}president of all gay people / Gay President (hypothetical president of all gay or lesbian people inside a particular country) {{9k\|RD\|Q34,60}}

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	<li ~~class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-~~tradition=~~"ES" value~~="618~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~stereotype threat -> the motif, in academic literature, of socially-linked populations seeing that another surrounding or neighboring population is profiling them for particular types of threatening behavior or tacky self-expression, any number of purposes here, and to try to get rid of the stereotype attempt to self-censor or whack any badly-behaving member of the socially-linked population into line.<br />		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}stereotype threat -> the motif, in academic literature, of socially-linked populations seeing that another surrounding or neighboring population is profiling them for particular types of threatening behavior or tacky self-expression, any number of purposes here, and to try to get rid of the stereotype attempt to self-censor or whack any badly-behaving member of the socially-linked population into line.<br />
	my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have national governments; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />		my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have [[E:president of all gay people\|national governments]]; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />
	realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.		realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.

	{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? ~~/ (~~{{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})		{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? {{9k\|RD\|Q34,60}}

	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Deceive unions when necessary / "Maneuvers and subterfuge" are in this case only methods of valid self-defense against a perfidious reformist bureaucracy (trade union bureaucracy; Soviet bureaucracy) (Lenin, Trotsky) ~~/ (~~{{9k\|RD/Q19,04}}) -> when you think about this... why are the unions trying so hard to exterminate "dictatorial Communists"? because of exactly the things on this page. initial class rule and states form partially because countable populations of people are afraid of being attacked or subjugated by other populations as a whole population. it's very easy for that to happen to a union, where local capitalists have overwhelming access to money and connections and will surely fight back.		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Deceive unions when necessary (Trotskyism) / "Maneuvers and subterfuge" are in this case only [[EC:9k/RD/Q19,04 Their morals and ours\|methods of valid self-defense]] against a perfidious reformist bureaucracy (trade union bureaucracy; Soviet bureaucracy) (Lenin, Trotsky) {{9k\|RD\|Q19,04}} -> when you think about this... why are the unions trying so hard to exterminate "dictatorial Communists"? because of exactly the things on this page. initial class rule and states form partially because countable populations of people are afraid of being attacked or subjugated by other populations as a whole population. it's very easy for that to happen to a union, where local capitalists have overwhelming access to money and connections and will surely fight back.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}One of the hallmarks of capitalism is that all [[E:socially-linked subculture\|communities]] eventually become primarily represented by a layer of [[E:technocrat (existential materialism)\|technocratic experts]] ("societors", "Careerists") who concentrate every one of ordinary people's capabilities of "communitying" into their most admired form; in this context, "communities" refers to loose socially-linked collections of people ("the photography community", "the YouTube community", "the furry community"), and does not refer to physical settlements ("towns, villages, communities") or collections of people similar to ethnic groups ("the Black community", "the Christian community") unless they can be formulated as subcultures ("the lesbian cultural community", "the LGBT community (subculture)")

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Reversedragon: Deceive unions when necessary

2026-08-20T06:19:40Z

Deceive unions when necessary

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	realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.		realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.

	{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})		{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Deceive unions when necessary / "Maneuvers and subterfuge" are in this case only methods of valid self-defense against a perfidious reformist bureaucracy (trade union bureaucracy; Soviet bureaucracy) (Lenin, Trotsky) / ({{9k\|RD/Q19,04}}) -> when you think about this... why are the unions trying so hard to exterminate "dictatorial Communists"? because of exactly the things on this page. initial class rule and states form partially because countable populations of people are afraid of being attacked or subjugated by other populations as a whole population. it's very easy for that to happen to a union, where local capitalists have overwhelming access to money and connections and will surely fight back.

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Reversedragon: Martin Amis harasses Muslims

2026-08-15T10:38:22Z

Martin Amis harasses Muslims

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	{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})		{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})

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			== Dumb assessments; Martin Amis harasses Muslims ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. ... Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children. They hate us for letting our children have sex and take drugs — well, they've got to stop their children killing people (Martin Amis) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/12/amis-d03.html] -> ethics is a fucking virus injected into other nationalities as a bioweapon

			{{li\|I=S2/PT\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}If I advocate harrassing all Arabs, airport security will not detain me the same amount of time as a White person -> well. at least he had to experience the system he wanted. the only bad thing about it is that he didn't actually learn anything.

			{{li\|I=S1/PT\|tradition=\|Q=51,40\|Q2=5140}}a regular Arab, not an evil one / ({{9k\|RD/Q691}}) -> this unfortunately really belongs on this page. it's exactly what Amis talks about: the concept that if you are part of an identity that commits crimes according to him, as an individual you have to prove yourself {{em\|as that whole population}}. center-Liberals try to convince you the "regular Arabs" exist while Amis tries to convince you they all need to be punished because he usually doesn't see any. they argue back and forth and neither of them ever actually gets rid of the racism that divides them in two.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=618}}community senators -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other and [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LR/ES\|tradition=\|Q=618}}community senators -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)\|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat\|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other and [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)\|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].

			{{li\|I=S1/ES/LGBT\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,60\|Q2=3460}}president of all gay people / Gay President (hypothetical president of all gay or lesbian people inside a particular country) / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})

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	my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have national governments; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />		my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have national governments; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)\|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject\|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you\|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation\|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />
	realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.		realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em\|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism\|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.

			{{li\|I=M3/LR\|tradition=MX onto LR\|Q=34,61\|Q2=3461}}Why aren't LGBT+ people a democratic republic? / Why isn't there a Gay President who is president of all gay people? / Why isn't there a Trans President who is president of all trans people? / ({{9k\|RD/Q34,60}})

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/LR/ES|tradition=|Q=618}}community senators -> the motif of "[[E:the gay community (motif)|organic communities]]" of people planning their entire culture and identity around whether they will be able to [[E:stereotype threat|justify themselves]] through the process of sending expert delegates to a capitalist or Liberal-republican congress of experts where experts will "rationally" argue points at each other and [[E:Vegeta effect (existential materialism)|anyone can reject those points for any reason]].

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<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="ES" value="618" data-dimension="S">stereotype threat -> the motif, in academic literature, of socially-linked populations seeing that another surrounding or neighboring population is profiling them for particular types of threatening behavior or tacky self-expression, any number of purposes here, and to try to get rid of the stereotype attempt to self-censor or whack any badly-behaving member of the socially-linked population into line.<br />
my impression: this certainly is a phenomenon, but people absolutely frame it incorrectly. it's a pretty standard narrative now to try to say that stereotypes are made up and ignoring people's stereotypes will not result in any bad consequences. but the reality is that populations genuinely expect somebody to be enforcing government and conducting diplomacy, even on groups of people that are so small that it would be nonsensical to expect they would actually have national governments; when a group of people is identifiable as a demographic but it's ungoverned people naturally start forming superstitions about "stocking my house with a black-people gun" or "keeping out the gays to protect my kids" just to have control over dangers they can't actually control. [[E:magic ritual (anthropology)|magic ritual]] naturally happens in a lot of very non-religious, non-spiritual contexts where it isn't harmless. people truly value the ability to not have to rely on any outside entities and use [[E:The Subject|their own individual will and own judgement]] to control absolutely [[E:Life revolves around you|everything that happens to them]] even when they can't, so, knowing full well that cops don't solve problems, they start practicing racist superstitions just to be absolutely [[E:The easiest way to abolish the police is racial segregation|super duper sure]] they're safe. this is why Marxists are so adamant that you can't have religion or superstition putting together Communities: racism is magic. racism isn't that different from any other ritual people do, so until you shake every superstition out of their minds it's quite difficult to get them to stop being prejudiced. you have to fill that same hole with a process that prevents literally every crime ever that a minority could do to them or their kids ever ever ever, and then once you've done that nearly impossible thing they finally stop and leave you alone.<br />
realistically the only way any of this stops is if ridiculously small groups of people {{em|did}} have governments. which would have to be defined positively rather than negatively as groups of people assembling into population-societies that already pledge not to do something and be part of control mechanisms that already make it unlikely they will do that thing; otherwise it's impossible to actually punish people and force them to change if they can simply leave or shift over to another one of these islands, so the only real way is to discipline them to start with before they actually do anything. like, you can only stop this stuff with a [[E:Molecular Marxism|microscopic Bolshevism]], otherwise individuals are just going to do whatever they want and terrify other individuals and commit crimes and create blood feuds and fuel rampant racism and prejudices that lead to cruel policies that re-start the entire cycle faster, and "culture" and "community" and prejudice equally aren't going to be able to do anything to stop any of it.

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