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Reversedragon: The ideas of the ruling class become the ruling ideas of the age

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The ideas of the ruling class become the ruling ideas of the age

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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=36,77\|Q2=3677}}Stupidity filters up / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, the cause of stupid leaders (leaders which are not educated on topics such as epidemiology or demographic identities; leaders which do not seem qualified to make decisions) is these leaders being drawn or generated from a stupid populace / Non-stupidity filters up (inverse claim) / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, an educated populace (a "populace which is not stupid") does not generate stupid leaders (inverse claim) -> this sentiment is a little blue as far as the immediate ethics-based responses it will generate when some people look at it, but this is intended to be an existential-materialist proposition, and those emotional responses are not actually intended to be part of it. at least not part of {{em\|this}} propositon.		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=36,77\|Q2=3677}}Stupidity filters up / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, the cause of stupid leaders (leaders which are not educated on topics such as epidemiology or demographic identities; leaders which do not seem qualified to make decisions) is these leaders being drawn or generated from a stupid populace / Non-stupidity filters up (inverse claim) / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, an educated populace (a "populace which is not stupid") does not generate stupid leaders (inverse claim) -> this sentiment is a little blue as far as the immediate ethics-based responses it will generate when some people look at it, but this is intended to be an existential-materialist proposition, and those emotional responses are not actually intended to be part of it. at least not part of {{em\|this}} propositon.

			{{li\|I=S2/ML\|Q=36,77\|Q2=3677}}The ideas of the ruling class become the ruling ideas of the age (statement implying that the predominant ideas of an age exist because the people who survived [[EC:9k/RD/Q14,80 Classes are monistic\|the competition to scramble over others]] into positions of power then spread those ideas; Marx)

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	<li ~~class~~=~~"field_ML" data-~~tradition="MX onto ML~~" value~~="618~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S2">~~Transition from early capitalism to upper-phase communism involves [[E:proletarian (Bolshevism)\|workers]] constructing various compartments of public life — applying labor to useful ends to each task of transforming a society of tiny shops and Artisanal practices into larger enduring public structures — and creating a society that finishes each compartment and lets it stand rather than continuously tearing them down and starting over again, steadily producing at all popular compartments until a lot of common things drastically drop in price and are sometimes free -><br/>		{{li\|I=S2/ML\|tradition=MX onto ML\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Transition from early capitalism to upper-phase communism involves [[E:proletarian (Bolshevism)\|workers]] constructing various compartments of public life — applying labor to useful ends to each task of transforming a society of tiny shops and Artisanal practices into larger enduring public structures — and creating a society that finishes each compartment and lets it stand rather than continuously tearing them down and starting over again, steadily producing at all popular compartments until a lot of common things drastically drop in price and are sometimes free -><br/>
	so. Lenin had a big impact on me when he described his hypothesis about transitions half pulled from Ricardo (?). suddenly it all made sense. among other things I really started to see how "education" had been becoming ridiculously inefficient. it was producing these wide bushes of new theories but none of them were converging and everyone was just going through the hard expensive work to become educated all over again to churn out more new theories that weren't converging and none of them were ever turning into popular-level theories. (not even critical race theory, despite what people say. though I have to be honest, a popular-level critical race theory course that described processes of fixing societies that actually worked would be really interesting.)<br/>		so. Lenin had a big impact on me when he described his hypothesis about transitions half pulled from Ricardo (?). suddenly it all made sense. among other things I really started to see how "education" had been becoming ridiculously inefficient. it was producing these wide bushes of new theories but none of them were converging and everyone was just going through the hard expensive work to become educated all over again to churn out more new theories that weren't converging and none of them were ever turning into popular-level theories. (not even critical race theory, despite what people say. though I have to be honest, a popular-level critical race theory course that described processes of fixing societies that actually worked would be really interesting.)<br/>
	I get that some things that people do at universities are going to be tiny case studies on characterizing colonial trauma in a specific country in a specific year, etc., but those aren't what I'm singling out because I'm sure somebody finds those useful. I'm singling out Lacanianism and Deleuze and Badiou and Laclau and all those people that put out weird spaghetti theories where if you just dive into them you don't necessarily even know what the text is describing.		I get that some things that people do at universities are going to be tiny case studies on characterizing colonial trauma in a specific country in a specific year, etc., but those aren't what I'm singling out because I'm sure somebody finds those useful. I'm singling out Lacanianism and Deleuze and Badiou and Laclau and all those people that put out weird spaghetti theories where if you just dive into them you don't necessarily even know what the text is describing.

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proofread / clarifications

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	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_mdem" data-tradition="~~MX~~" data-qid~~="36,77~~" value~~="3677~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S2"><h4>~~Stupidity filters up~~</h4>~~ / It isn't only the [[E~~:shovel dream\|~~shovel dreams]] of class society that [[E:ruling class ideology\|filter down through society from ruling classes]] — stupidity common among the whole population at large also [[E:Great men are representatives of larger populations\|filters up]] to all ruling classes until some of them finally manage to use their privilege to [[E:class traitor\|become aware]] that the ideas seemingly everybody believes are wrong -> I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it is that "everybody" believes parts of anarchism now and how exactly anarchism hid inside Liberal-republicanism and [[E:Kant is a precursor to blue ~~anarchism~~\|the Enlightenment]] and snuck through everything such that no matter how much you eliminate Communism everybody believes it. I'm thinking that what's going on is I had the causality wrong. I think anarchism, blue or charcoal, might actually start in every single uneducated person and filter up. education takes a whole lot of effort (and time and money) compared to knowing nothing, especially when a lot of findings by different academic fields will be totally disorganized in relation to each other and waste a lot of your time taking hours and hours and days and days to dig way deep into every single one just so that when you don't know how Derrida and Badiou and post- this or that -ism work they won't get mad and call you a bigot. considering how much education can inadvertently "waste our time" by making every person learn a big stack of things all over again (that they have to crunch into finite hours and can't even read all of) instead of any of the hypotheses condensing into useful conclusions where future generations have less to remember, it stands to reason that over 10 years or so you'd just get stupidity filtering up from the bottom to the ruling class as people just can't be bothered to learn and then you get Donald Trump.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=36,77\|Q2=3677\|h4 = Stupidity filters up }} / It isn't only the {{a\|E=shovel dreams}} of class society that [[E:ruling class ideology\|filter down through society from ruling classes]] — stupidity common among the whole population at large also [[E:Great men are representatives of larger populations\|filters up]] to all ruling classes until some of them finally manage to use their privilege to [[E:class traitor\|become aware]] that the ideas seemingly everybody believes are wrong -> <br/>
			I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it is that "everybody" believes parts of anarchism now and how exactly anarchism hid inside Liberal-republicanism and [[E:Kant is a precursor to blue anarchisms\|the Enlightenment]] and snuck through everything such that no matter how much you eliminate Communism everybody believes it. I'm thinking that what's going on is I had the causality wrong. I think anarchism, blue or charcoal, might actually start in every single uneducated person and filter up. education takes a whole lot of effort (and time and money) compared to knowing nothing, especially when a lot of findings by different academic fields will be totally disorganized in relation to each other and waste a lot of your time taking hours and hours and days and days to dig way deep into every single one just so that when you don't know how Derrida and Badiou and post- this or that -ism work they won't get mad and call you a bigot. considering how much education can inadvertently "waste our time" by making every person learn a big stack of things all over again (that they have to crunch into finite hours and can't even read all of) instead of any of the hypotheses condensing into useful conclusions where future generations have less to remember, it stands to reason that over 10 years or so you'd just get stupidity filtering up from the bottom to the ruling class as people just can't be bothered to learn and then you get Donald Trump.<br/>
	"totalizing" Communist parties carrying in what critical theorists would think of as prejudices is largely because the overall country literally doesn't have the time and money to learn and when the country is under less threat and they've had a little time to investigate they will become educated and the filtered-up stupidity they brought will cease to be in a position of power. (thus, avoiding Communist parties forming doesn't help because the same "Third World problem" of people having limited time, energy, and money will still exist.) education should be getting rid of anarchism, except that we're doing it wrong so that a lot of people aren't learning what they should be.		"totalizing" Communist parties carrying in what critical theorists would think of as prejudices is largely because the overall country literally doesn't have the time and money to learn and when the country is under less threat and they've had a little time to investigate they will become educated and the filtered-up stupidity they brought will cease to be in a position of power. (thus, avoiding Communist parties forming doesn't help because the same "Third World problem" of people having limited time, energy, and money will still exist.) education should be getting rid of anarchism, except that we're doing it wrong so that a lot of people aren't learning what they should be.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|Q=36,77\|Q2=3677}}Stupidity filters up / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, the cause of stupid leaders (leaders which are not educated on topics such as epidemiology or demographic identities; leaders which do not seem qualified to make decisions) is these leaders being drawn or generated from a stupid populace / Non-stupidity filters up (inverse claim) / Because all leaders are drawn from the populace, an educated populace (a "populace which is not stupid") does not generate stupid leaders (inverse claim) -> this sentiment is a little blue as far as the immediate ethics-based responses it will generate when some people look at it, but this is intended to be an existential-materialist proposition, and those emotional responses are not actually intended to be part of it. at least not part of {{em\|this}} propositon.

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	</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX" data-qid="36,77" value="3677" data-dimension="S2">Stupidity filters up / It isn't only the shovel dreams of class society that filter down through society from ruling classes — stupidity common among the whole population at large also filters up to all ruling classes until some of them finally manage to use their privilege to become aware that the ideas seemingly everybody believes are wrong -> I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it is that "everybody" believes parts of anarchism now and how exactly anarchism hid inside Liberal-republicanism and the Enlightenment and snuck through everything such that no matter how much you eliminate Communism everybody believes it. I'm thinking that what's going on is I had the causality wrong. I think anarchism, blue or charcoal, might actually start in every single uneducated person and filter up. education takes a whole lot of effort (and time and money) compared to knowing nothing, especially when a lot of findings by different academic fields will be totally disorganized in relation to each other and waste a lot of your time taking hours and hours and days and days to dig way deep into every single one just so that when you don't know how Derrida and Badiou and post- this or that -ism work they won't get mad and call you a bigot. considering how much education can inadvertently "waste our time" by making every person learn a big stack of things all over again (that they have to crunch into finite hours and can't even read all of) instead of any of the hypotheses condensing into useful conclusions where future generations have less to remember, it stands to reason that over 10 years or so you'd just get stupidity filtering up from the bottom to the ruling class as people just can't be bothered to learn and then you get Donald Trump. "totalizing" Communist parties carrying in what critical theorists would think of as prejudices is largely because the overall country literally doesn't have the time and money to learn and when the country is under less threat and they've had a little time to investigate they will become educated and the filtered-up stupidity they brought will cease to be in a position of power. education should be getting rid of anarchism, except that we're doing it wrong so that a lot of people aren't learning what they should be.		</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX" data-qid="36,77" value="3677" data-dimension="S2"><h4>Stupidity filters up</h4> / It isn't only the [[E:shovel dream\|shovel dreams]] of class society that [[E:ruling class ideology\|filter down through society from ruling classes]] — stupidity common among the whole population at large also [[E:Great men are representatives of larger populations\|filters up]] to all ruling classes until some of them finally manage to use their privilege to [[E:class traitor\|become aware]] that the ideas seemingly everybody believes are wrong -> I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it is that "everybody" believes parts of anarchism now and how exactly anarchism hid inside Liberal-republicanism and [[E:Kant is a precursor to blue anarchism\|the Enlightenment]] and snuck through everything such that no matter how much you eliminate Communism everybody believes it. I'm thinking that what's going on is I had the causality wrong. I think anarchism, blue or charcoal, might actually start in every single uneducated person and filter up. education takes a whole lot of effort (and time and money) compared to knowing nothing, especially when a lot of findings by different academic fields will be totally disorganized in relation to each other and waste a lot of your time taking hours and hours and days and days to dig way deep into every single one just so that when you don't know how Derrida and Badiou and post- this or that -ism work they won't get mad and call you a bigot. considering how much education can inadvertently "waste our time" by making every person learn a big stack of things all over again (that they have to crunch into finite hours and can't even read all of) instead of any of the hypotheses condensing into useful conclusions where future generations have less to remember, it stands to reason that over 10 years or so you'd just get stupidity filtering up from the bottom to the ruling class as people just can't be bothered to learn and then you get Donald Trump.<br/>
			"totalizing" Communist parties carrying in what critical theorists would think of as prejudices is largely because the overall country literally doesn't have the time and money to learn and when the country is under less threat and they've had a little time to investigate they will become educated and the filtered-up stupidity they brought will cease to be in a position of power. (thus, avoiding Communist parties forming doesn't help because the same "Third World problem" of people having limited time, energy, and money will still exist.) education should be getting rid of anarchism, except that we're doing it wrong so that a lot of people aren't learning what they should be.

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	<li class="field_ML" data-tradition="MX onto ML" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Transition from early capitalism to upper-phase communism involves [[E:proletarian (Bolshevism)\|workers]] constructing various compartments of public life — applying labor to useful ends to each task of transforming a society of tiny shops and Artisanal practices into larger enduring public structures — and creating a society that finishes each compartment and lets it stand rather than continuously tearing them down and starting over again, steadily producing at all popular compartments until a lot of common things drastically drop in price and are sometimes free -><br/>		<li class="field_ML" data-tradition="MX onto ML" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Transition from early capitalism to upper-phase communism involves [[E:proletarian (Bolshevism)\|workers]] constructing various compartments of public life — applying labor to useful ends to each task of transforming a society of tiny shops and Artisanal practices into larger enduring public structures — and creating a society that finishes each compartment and lets it stand rather than continuously tearing them down and starting over again, steadily producing at all popular compartments until a lot of common things drastically drop in price and are sometimes free -><br/>
	so. Lenin had a big impact on me when he described his hypothesis about transitions half pulled from Ricardo (?). suddenly it all made sense. among other things I really started to see how "education" had been becoming ridiculously inefficient. it was producing these wide bushes of new theories but none of them were converging and everyone was just going through the hard expensive work to become educated all over again to churn out more new theories that weren't converging and none of them were ever turning into popular-level theories. (not even critical race theory, despite what people say. though I have to be honest, a popular-level critical race theory course that described processes of fixing societies that actually worked would be really interesting.)<br/>		so. Lenin had a big impact on me when he described his hypothesis about transitions half pulled from Ricardo (?). suddenly it all made sense. among other things I really started to see how "education" had been becoming ridiculously inefficient. it was producing these wide bushes of new theories but none of them were converging and everyone was just going through the hard expensive work to become educated all over again to churn out more new theories that weren't converging and none of them were ever turning into popular-level theories. (not even critical race theory, despite what people say. though I have to be honest, a popular-level critical race theory course that described processes of fixing societies that actually worked would be really interesting.)<br/>
	I get that some things that people do at universities are going to be tiny ~~steps~~ on characterizing colonial trauma in a specific country in a specific year, etc., but those aren't what I'm singling out because I'm sure somebody finds those useful. I'm singling out Lacanianism and Deleuze and Badiou and Laclau and all those people that put out weird spaghetti theories where if you just dive into them you don't necessarily even know what the text is describing.		I get that some things that people do at universities are going to be tiny case studies on characterizing colonial trauma in a specific country in a specific year, etc., but those aren't what I'm singling out because I'm sure somebody finds those useful. I'm singling out Lacanianism and Deleuze and Badiou and Laclau and all those people that put out weird spaghetti theories where if you just dive into them you don't necessarily even know what the text is describing.

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</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX" data-qid="36,77" value="3677" data-dimension="S2">Stupidity filters up / It isn't only the shovel dreams of class society that filter down through society from ruling classes — stupidity common among the whole population at large also filters up to all ruling classes until some of them finally manage to use their privilege to become aware that the ideas seemingly everybody believes are wrong -> I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it is that "everybody" believes parts of anarchism now and how exactly anarchism hid inside Liberal-republicanism and the Enlightenment and snuck through everything such that no matter how much you eliminate Communism everybody believes it. I'm thinking that what's going on is I had the causality wrong. I think anarchism, blue or charcoal, might actually start in every single uneducated person and filter up. education takes a whole lot of effort (and time and money) compared to knowing nothing, especially when a lot of findings by different academic fields will be totally disorganized in relation to each other and waste a lot of your time taking hours and hours and days and days to dig way deep into every single one just so that when you don't know how Derrida and Badiou and post- this or that -ism work they won't get mad and call you a bigot. considering how much education can inadvertently "waste our time" by making every person learn a big stack of things all over again (that they have to crunch into finite hours and can't even read all of) instead of any of the hypotheses condensing into useful conclusions where future generations have less to remember, it stands to reason that over 10 years or so you'd just get stupidity filtering up from the bottom to the ruling class as people just can't be bothered to learn and then you get Donald Trump. "totalizing" Communist parties carrying in what critical theorists would think of as prejudices is largely because the overall country literally doesn't have the time and money to learn and when the country is under less threat and they've had a little time to investigate they will become educated and the filtered-up stupidity they brought will cease to be in a position of power. education should be getting rid of anarchism, except that we're doing it wrong so that a lot of people aren't learning what they should be.

</li></ol>

== Related ==

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<li class="field_ML" data-tradition="MX onto ML" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Transition from early capitalism to upper-phase communism involves [[E:proletarian (Bolshevism)|workers]] constructing various compartments of public life — applying labor to useful ends to each task of transforming a society of tiny shops and Artisanal practices into larger enduring public structures — and creating a society that finishes each compartment and lets it stand rather than continuously tearing them down and starting over again, steadily producing at all popular compartments until a lot of common things drastically drop in price and are sometimes free -><br/>
so. Lenin had a big impact on me when he described his hypothesis about transitions half pulled from Ricardo (?). suddenly it all made sense. among other things I really started to see how "education" had been becoming ridiculously inefficient. it was producing these wide bushes of new theories but none of them were converging and everyone was just going through the hard expensive work to become educated all over again to churn out more new theories that weren't converging and none of them were ever turning into popular-level theories. (not even critical race theory, despite what people say. though I have to be honest, a popular-level critical race theory course that described processes of fixing societies that actually worked would be really interesting.)<br/>
I get that some things that people do at universities are going to be tiny steps on characterizing colonial trauma in a specific country in a specific year, etc., but those aren't what I'm singling out because I'm sure somebody finds those useful. I'm singling out Lacanianism and Deleuze and Badiou and Laclau and all those people that put out weird spaghetti theories where if you just dive into them you don't necessarily even know what the text is describing.

</li></ol>

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