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Reversedragon: Squid Game

2026-08-19T23:50:46Z

Squid Game

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	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Monokuma -> best described as something like "a messed-up toy bear demon with a coloration of dark sharply clashing with light, to represent the clash between hope and despair". so, his design is cool in that it can express a verbose idea in a simple image, it's a very good use of visual language as foreshadowing, yet it's very obvious from a conceptual point of view and not all that deep. I still love the concept of a character visually depicting the whole concept of [[E:antagonism (dialectical materialism)\|material contradictions]] though.		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Monokuma -> best described as something like "a messed-up toy bear demon with a coloration of dark sharply clashing with light, to represent the clash between hope and despair". so, his design is cool in that it can express a verbose idea in a simple image, it's a very good use of visual language as foreshadowing, yet it's very obvious from a conceptual point of view and not all that deep. I still love the concept of a character visually depicting the whole concept of [[E:antagonism (dialectical materialism)\|material contradictions]] though.

	{{li\|I=S1/~~DFy\|tradition=~~\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|~~The Hunger Games~~}} (~~series~~)		{{li\|I=Z1/Fy/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Umineko}} / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|『うみねこのなく頃に』\|title=Umineko no Naku Koro ni}} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-UminekoNoNakuKoroNi}}) -> I was only able to realize after I actually started reading this that Umineko is a {{em\|vastly}} better example of this motif. ... [I can't go into it here because I've adopted a policy of putting every substantial "Umineko spoiler" only on the Umineko entry.]

	{{li\|I=Z1/~~Fy/MX~~\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|~~Umineko~~}} / {{~~TTS~~\|~~lang~~=ja\|~~『うみねこのなく頃に』~~\|~~title~~=~~Umineko no Naku Koro ni~~}} ~~/ (~~{{9k\|~~RD/Q618-UminekoNoNakuKoroNi~~}}) -> I was ~~only able~~ to ~~realize after I actually started reading~~ this ~~that Umineko~~ is a {{em\|~~vastly~~}} ~~better example of this motif. ... [I can~~'t ~~go into it here because I've adopted a policy of putting every substantial~~ "~~Umineko spoiler~~" ~~only on the Umineko entry~~.]		{{li\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|The Hunger Games}} (series)

			{{li\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{film\|Squid Game}} -> how could I forget this one. there was a period of time where people wouldn't stop talking about it, and even Žižek or a Žižekian was trying to connect it to Lacanianism. those were some weird times. yep, this thing is as much about capitalism and imperialist capitalism as {{book\|The Hunger Games}} is, even if it isn't about the Soviet Union and "the Stalinists".

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2026-08-19T23:42:36Z

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Reversedragon: Danganronpa

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Danganronpa

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	</~~li><li data-qid~~="40,36~~" value~~="4036~~" data-remark~~="trials~~" class~~=~~"field_trotsky" data-dimension="S2">~~Stalin is basically Monokuma / Trotskyites don't know the difference between Soviet history and Danganronpa -> an analogy I used in a historical fiction summary and now after digging up again cannot get over. the idea is that people think the Soviet Union was just one big trap where because people are in such fierce competition to exist until the country is properly built up, the government then just starts accusing people of things to preemptively get rid of them. almost exactly like Monokuma sets the students up to be in trouble for killing each other, blaming them for each other's graphic deaths over and over when really he started the whole thing		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV\|tradition=\|Q=40,36\|Q2=4036\|rem=trials\|h4= Stalin is basically Monokuma }} / Trotskyites don't know the difference between Soviet history and Danganronpa -> an analogy I used in a [[EC:9k/RD/Q70,92\|historical fiction]] summary and now after digging up again cannot get over. the idea is that people think the Soviet Union was just one big trap where because people are in such fierce competition to exist until the country is properly built up, the government then just starts accusing people of things to preemptively get rid of them. almost exactly like Monokuma sets the students up to be in trouble for killing each other, blaming them for each other's graphic deaths over and over when really he started the whole thing

			{{li\|I=S1/IV\|Q=40,36\|Q2=4036}}Stalin and Monokuma / Stalin's [[E:The Hunger Games (series)\|hunger games]] / Stalin and death games / Stalin's government carrying off arbitrary or incorrect selection of people to prison so remaining people will turn in all the actual criminals / Stalin's government supposedly or apparently putting pressure on all people to send each other to prison so the real criminals will confess -> Danganronpa isn't a big part of this concept, it's the general motif of the Stalin era being a death game (so you can bring up The Hunger Games, or any other death game) and people competing against each other to survive it.

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			== "Stalin's hunger games" in fiction ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= {{TTS\|html=cite\|lang=ja\|tts=ダンガンロンパ\|Danganronpa}} }} [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danganronpa] [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ダンガンロンパシリーズ] [https://www.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/4xxgrr/what_does_the_title_danganronpa_mean_if_anything/] -> "dangan ronpa" is basically "refutation by bullet".<br/>
			so you very nearly could have titled this game "Shots Fired" and got the meaning perfect

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Monokuma -> best described as something like "a messed-up toy bear demon with a coloration of dark sharply clashing with light, to represent the clash between hope and despair". so, his design is cool in that it can express a verbose idea in a simple image, it's a very good use of visual language as foreshadowing, yet it's very obvious from a conceptual point of view and not all that deep. I still love the concept of a character visually depicting the whole concept of [[E:antagonism (dialectical materialism)\|material contradictions]] though.

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|The Hunger Games}} (series)

			{{li\|I=Z1/Fy/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Umineko}} / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|『うみねこのなく頃に』\|title=Umineko no Naku Koro ni}} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-UminekoNoNakuKoroNi}}) -> I was only able to realize after I actually started reading this that Umineko is a {{em\|vastly}} better example of this motif. ... [I can't go into it here because I've adopted a policy of putting every substantial "Umineko spoiler" only on the Umineko entry.]

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</li><li data-qid="40,36" value="4036" data-remark="trials" class="field_trotsky" data-dimension="S2">Stalin is basically Monokuma / Trotskyites don't know the difference between Soviet history and Danganronpa -> an analogy I used in a historical fiction summary and now after digging up again cannot get over. the idea is that people think the Soviet Union was just one big trap where because people are in such fierce competition to exist until the country is properly built up, the government then just starts accusing people of things to preemptively get rid of them. almost exactly like Monokuma sets the students up to be in trouble for killing each other, blaming them for each other's graphic deaths over and over when really he started the whole thing

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	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Monokuma -> best described as something like "a messed-up toy bear demon with a coloration of dark sharply clashing with light, to represent the clash between hope and despair". so, his design is cool in that it can express a verbose idea in a simple image, it's a very good use of visual language as foreshadowing, yet it's very obvious from a conceptual point of view and not all that deep. I still love the concept of a character visually depicting the whole concept of [[E:antagonism (dialectical materialism)\|material contradictions]] though.		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Monokuma -> best described as something like "a messed-up toy bear demon with a coloration of dark sharply clashing with light, to represent the clash between hope and despair". so, his design is cool in that it can express a verbose idea in a simple image, it's a very good use of visual language as foreshadowing, yet it's very obvious from a conceptual point of view and not all that deep. I still love the concept of a character visually depicting the whole concept of [[E:antagonism (dialectical materialism)\|material contradictions]] though.

	{{li\|I=S1/~~DFy\|tradition=~~\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|~~The Hunger Games~~}} (~~series~~)		{{li\|I=Z1/Fy/MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Umineko}} / {{TTS\|lang=ja\|『うみねこのなく頃に』\|title=Umineko no Naku Koro ni}} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-UminekoNoNakuKoroNi}}) -> I was only able to realize after I actually started reading this that Umineko is a {{em\|vastly}} better example of this motif. ... [I can't go into it here because I've adopted a policy of putting every substantial "Umineko spoiler" only on the Umineko entry.]

	{{li\|I=Z1/~~Fy/MX~~\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|~~Umineko~~}} / {{~~TTS~~\|~~lang~~=ja\|~~『うみねこのなく頃に』~~\|~~title~~=~~Umineko no Naku Koro ni~~}} ~~/ (~~{{9k\|~~RD/Q618-UminekoNoNakuKoroNi~~}}) -> I was ~~only able~~ to ~~realize after I actually started reading~~ this ~~that Umineko~~ is a {{em\|~~vastly~~}} ~~better example of this motif. ... [I can~~'t ~~go into it here because I've adopted a policy of putting every substantial~~ "~~Umineko spoiler~~" ~~only on the Umineko entry~~.]		{{li\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|The Hunger Games}} (series)

			{{li\|I=Z1/DFy\|tradition=\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{film\|Squid Game}} -> how could I forget this one. there was a period of time where people wouldn't stop talking about it, and even Žižek or a Žižekian was trying to connect it to Lacanianism. those were some weird times. yep, this thing is as much about capitalism and imperialist capitalism as {{book\|The Hunger Games}} is, even if it isn't about the Soviet Union and "the Stalinists".

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