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Reversedragon: Trotskyism is like cold fusion

2026-03-30T23:40:02Z

Trotskyism is like cold fusion

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	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_ML" data-qid~~="29,72~~" value~~="2972~~" data-tradition~~=~~"MX onto MZ" data-dimension="S2">~~[[~~Ontology~~:Q2972\|People destroy what takes away their lunch]] -><br />		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ML\|tradition=MX onto MZ\|Q=29,72\|Q2=2972\|h4 = [[E:Q2972\|People destroy what takes away their lunch]] }} -><br />
	... purely because people are living breathing things, they are busy clumping up into microhierarchies and fighting each other over the last scraps ... they need a republic which is robust against the living, growing chunks of society becoming conflated with individuals who wilfully hoard mountains of sheer Subject-existence and keep any more people from being born and living.<br />		... purely because people are living breathing things, they are busy clumping up into microhierarchies and fighting each other over the last scraps ... they need a republic which is robust against the living, growing chunks of society becoming conflated with individuals who wilfully hoard mountains of sheer Subject-existence and keep any more people from being born and living.<br />
	... each chunk primarily wants to live, and it wants to be exactly the way it internally wants to be. so when you do anything to interrupt the independent growth and living of a chunk, it will often get upset. ...<br/>		... each chunk primarily wants to live, and it wants to be exactly the way it internally wants to be. so when you do anything to interrupt the independent growth and living of a chunk, it will often get upset. ...<br/>
	this explains exactly why there are Trotskyite conspiracies. "Trotsky", your displaced Marxist theorist, is trying to form a chunk. he's trying to form a chunk of allies to him who want to build a workers' state. this wouldn't necessarily be bad, when Lenin can recruit any number of peasants who are there for their own interests and only half understand Marxism. but his differences with the central party and different mental model of a workers' state form a fence between his chunk and the capable subpopulation of workers. the best he can hope for is that he genuinely assembles a second party full of real Leninists that build a second separate workers' state, although most Trotskyists are not smart enough to figure out this is what their theories are aiming at. but if he doesn't understand what's going on, the easiest thing that can happen is for the biological competition between separate clashing chunks to take over and a bunch of local chunks which just hate the central government to start claiming they support Trotsky, or vice versa. it's not "the bourgeoisie" that takes hold exactly, it's [[Ontology:microhierarchy\|the separate chunks]], which only sprout them. if Trotsky just lets the chunks go he can't control them. if he could abolish microhierarchies, he would have a chance. but, of course, that requires him to understand the concept of tiny conflicting chunks joining into a bigger society that he can't just choose not to be a part of, and building socialism-in-one-country before he builds poly-socialism in multiple countries.		this explains exactly why there are Trotskyite conspiracies. "Trotsky", your displaced Marxist theorist, is trying to form a chunk. he's trying to form a chunk of allies to him who want to build a workers' state. this wouldn't necessarily be bad, when Lenin can recruit any number of peasants who are there for their own interests and only half understand Marxism. but his differences with the central party and different mental model of a workers' state form a fence between his chunk and the capable subpopulation of workers. the best he can hope for is that he genuinely assembles a second party full of real Leninists that build a second separate workers' state, although most Trotskyists are not smart enough to figure out this is what their theories are aiming at. but if he doesn't understand what's going on, the easiest thing that can happen is for the biological competition between separate clashing chunks to take over and a bunch of local chunks which just hate the central government to start claiming they support Trotsky, or vice versa. it's not "the bourgeoisie" that takes hold exactly, it's [[Ontology:microhierarchy\|the separate chunks]], which only sprout them. if Trotsky just lets the chunks go he can't control them. if he could abolish microhierarchies, he would have a chance. but, of course, that requires him to understand the concept of tiny conflicting chunks joining into a bigger society that he can't just choose not to be a part of, and building socialism-in-one-country before he builds poly-socialism in multiple countries.

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Reversedragon: Subpages

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Reversedragon: People destroy what takes away their lunch

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People destroy what takes away their lunch

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			</li><li class="field_ML" data-qid="29,72" value="2972" data-tradition="MX onto MZ" data-dimension="S2">[[Ontology:Q2972\|People destroy what takes away their lunch]] -><br />
			... purely because people are living breathing things, they are busy clumping up into microhierarchies and fighting each other over the last scraps ... they need a republic which is robust against the living, growing chunks of society becoming conflated with individuals who wilfully hoard mountains of sheer Subject-existence and keep any more people from being born and living.<br />
			... each chunk primarily wants to live, and it wants to be exactly the way it internally wants to be. so when you do anything to interrupt the independent growth and living of a chunk, it will often get upset. ...<br/>
			this explains exactly why there are Trotskyite conspiracies. "Trotsky", your displaced Marxist theorist, is trying to form a chunk. he's trying to form a chunk of allies to him who want to build a workers' state. this wouldn't necessarily be bad, when Lenin can recruit any number of peasants who are there for their own interests and only half understand Marxism. but his differences with the central party and different mental model of a workers' state form a fence between his chunk and the capable subpopulation of workers. the best he can hope for is that he genuinely assembles a second party full of real Leninists that build a second separate workers' state, although most Trotskyists are not smart enough to figure out this is what their theories are aiming at. but if he doesn't understand what's going on, the easiest thing that can happen is for the biological competition between separate clashing chunks to take over and a bunch of local chunks which just hate the central government to start claiming they support Trotsky, or vice versa. it's not "the bourgeoisie" that takes hold exactly, it's [[Ontology:microhierarchy\|the separate chunks]], which only sprout them. if Trotsky just lets the chunks go he can't control them. if he could abolish microhierarchies, he would have a chance. but, of course, that requires him to understand the concept of tiny conflicting chunks joining into a bigger society that he can't just choose not to be a part of, and building socialism-in-one-country before he builds poly-socialism in multiple countries.
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Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4104 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q41,04: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-03-30T03:27:54Z

Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4104 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q41,04: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: copy markup from FirstAnarchistManifesto

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copy markup from FirstAnarchistManifesto

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