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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,72\|Q2=3472}}Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,72\|Q2=3472}}Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.

	{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of witchcraft and wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.

	{{li\|I=S1/MSPA/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=32,32\|Q2=3232}}Lord English is already here ~~[https:~~//~~mspaintadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Caliborn]~~ -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".		{{li\|I=S1/MSPA/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=32,32\|Q2=3232}}Lord English is already here / ({{9k\|RD/Q32,32}}) -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".

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	{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=~~618~~\|Q2=~~618~~}}Lord English is already here -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".		{{li\|I=S1/MSPA/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=32,32\|Q2=3232}}Lord English is already here [https://mspaintadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Caliborn] -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> note: I'm not actually sure if this book or the "Black geographies" people had anything to do with anything that happened below. for now I'll assume them to be "innocent"		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> note: I'm not actually sure if this book or the "Black geographies" people had anything to do with anything that happened below. for now I'll assume them to be "innocent"

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_ML" data-qid~~="34,71~~" value~~="3471~~" data-dimension="Z"><cite>~~Color, Communism, and Common Sense~~</cite>~~ (Johnson ??)		{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=34,71\|Q2=3471}}{{book\|Color, Communism, and Common Sense}} (Johnson ??)

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,70~~" value~~="3470~~" data-dimension="F2">~~If Black people are the first ones to start a Marxist movement, there will be a race war; there has not been a race war prior to attempting Leninism -> false because there already is a race war. it's already been happening, to such an extent that Marxism couldn't newly start it.<br/>		{{li\|I=F2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,70\|Q2=3470}}If Black people are the first ones to start a Marxist movement, there will be a race war; there has not been a race war prior to attempting Leninism -> false because there already is a race war. it's already been happening, to such an extent that Marxism couldn't newly start it.<br/>
	what people really, really don't understand is that every time an anarchist hides out and "lives life by anarchism", at least one Tory does it along with them. and if it goes on long enough, Tories become cops and shoot Black people just as part of "living their lives by anarcho-Toryism", exactly [[E:Every ideology invents direct action\|the same way]] people do post-structuralist anarchism, just [[E:Post-structuralist anarchy is indistinguishable from Toryism\|in khaki brown]]. anarchists are really really bad at [[E:duplexing (meta-Marxism)\|duplexing]] things and realizing what their ideologies lead to.		what people really, really don't understand is that every time an anarchist hides out and "lives life by anarchism", at least one Tory does it along with them. and if it goes on long enough, Tories become cops and shoot Black people just as part of "living their lives by anarcho-Toryism", exactly [[E:Every ideology invents direct action\|the same way]] people do post-structuralist anarchism, just [[E:Post-structuralist anarchy is indistinguishable from Toryism\|in khaki brown]]. anarchists are really really bad at [[E:duplexing (meta-Marxism)\|duplexing]] things and realizing what their ideologies lead to.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,72~~" value~~="3472~~" data-dimension="S2">~~Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,72\|Q2=3472}}Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,73~~" value~~="3473~~" data-dimension="S">~~Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so <em>official~~</em>~~.		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Lord English is already here -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Lord English is already here -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".

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 {{li|I=S2/RG|tradition=RG|Q=618|Q2=618}}Abolition is a dialectical process / implicit claims in {{book|Black Marxism}} that Robinson's theory is Marxism [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]  ->  that remains to be proved.
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}radical hope, love and possibility [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/RG\|Q=51,51\|Q2=5151}}worldmaking / ({{9k\|RD/Q5151}})

			{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}radical hope, love and possibility [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]

	{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}emancipation in rehearsal [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> there are a lot of Graeberisms on this page.		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}emancipation in rehearsal [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> there are a lot of Graeberisms on this page.

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			== Borderless populations ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}re-unifying false separations between academic fields / tracing threads of relationality among these three disciplinary formations [https://alexamoulton.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/3/8/123805387/williams_et_al_2025__black_livingness_and_insurgent_ecological_politics.pdf] -> this article is really hard to read and yet it somehow seems to be better than what Goodman was saying. this seems to be a recurring problem whenever people study multiple regions of the world and add in either a tribal society or some Third World countries: the most divided thing is the departments of their universities, while the human populations are not quite as divided.

			{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Attica is / Attica is a new population that extends beyond prison walls (Black geographies) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition = A onto BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Black livingness is a physical object consisting of a Black population interacting borderlessly with its environment / Black Livingness is not a concept, rather a commitment to the existence, evolution and the prosperity of Black people recognizing the interdependence of connected struggles between groups of people based on social constructs like race, gender, religion, class and place [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that is the best I can do interpreting this sentence. this is a weirdly schizoanalyst sentence. it's like the population is trying to be totally uncountable and define itself as all of itself except its border just for the sake of it.

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	{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Abolition is a dialectical process [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that remains to be proved.		{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Abolition is a dialectical process [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that remains to be proved.

	{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Attica is / Attica is a new population that extends beyond prison walls (Black geographies) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]

	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition = A onto BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Black livingness is a physical object consisting of a Black population interacting borderlessly with its environment / Black Livingness is not a concept, rather a commitment to the existence, evolution and the prosperity of Black people recognizing the interdependence of connected struggles between groups of people based on social constructs like race, gender, religion, class and place [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that is the best I can do interpreting this sentence. this is a weirdly schizoanalyst sentence. it's like the population is trying to be totally uncountable and define itself as all of itself except its border just for the sake of it.

	{{li\|I=Z1/RG\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> here we go.		{{li\|I=Z1/RG\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> here we go.
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	== ~~Ideologies~~ or ~~fields~~ ==		== {{int:hue-prototype-trads-topics-or-genres/en}} ==
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	{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=A onto BM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / postmodern anarchism		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=A onto BM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / postmodern anarchism
	{{li\|I=S1/A/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / Graeberisms (anarchist themes)		{{li\|I=S1/A/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / Graeberisms (anarchist themes)
			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|ES\|E-S}} / lived experience
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/BP\|Q=41,66\|Q2=4166}}BlackPantherism / Black Panther Party's theory of revolution / Black Panther Party's [[E:apparent form of Marxism\|Marxism]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q41,66\|9k]])		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/BP\|Q=41,66\|Q2=4166}}BlackPantherism / Black Panther Party's theory of revolution / Black Panther Party's [[E:apparent form of Marxism\|(apparent form of) Marxism]] / ([[User:RD/9k/Q41,66\|9k]]) -> it appears the Black Panthers existed almost orthogonal to this thing.

	{{li\|I=S2/LR/IV\|Q=41,76\|Q2=4176}}A Liberal-republican party (bourgeois party; center-Liberal social-democratic party) is not a competing Marxism; this includes early 1900s Mensheviks when they functioned as a Liberal-republican party, or so-called Eurocommunists		{{li\|I=S2/LR/IV\|Q=41,76\|Q2=4176}}A Liberal-republican party (bourgeois party; center-Liberal social-democratic party) is not a competing Marxism; this includes early 1900s Mensheviks when they functioned as a Liberal-republican party, or so-called Eurocommunists ({{TTS\|IV\|Trotskyism}} onto {{TTS\|LR\|Liberal-republicanism}}) -> this proposition just happened to be next to where I put "abolition", but then I saw it, and said, yeah, it's very good I put down this reminder for myself. if I could prove this is regular Liberal-republicanism, then that would be one way to show it isn't Marxism. so far though, it looks like anarchism?

	{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=A onto BP, IV, MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}worldwide populational plurality / worldwide national plurality; worldwide demographic plurality / seeing the entire world as a foreign land / <i>Most people are principally aware of one culture, one setting, one home; exiles are aware of at least two, and this plurality of vision gives rise to an awareness of simultaneous dimensions</i> (Edward Said) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that's actually relatable. despite all the problems with this page, yes, the more you understand Marxism the more your existing alienation from society for various reasons and your experience of society's desire to excise Communists like a tumor merge together, making it impossible to see individual societies as "reality" as opposed to the world.		{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=A onto BP, IV, MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}worldwide populational plurality / worldwide national plurality; worldwide demographic plurality / seeing the entire world as a foreign land / <i>Most people are principally aware of one culture, one setting, one home; exiles are aware of at least two, and this plurality of vision gives rise to an awareness of simultaneous dimensions</i> (Edward Said) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that's actually relatable. despite all the problems with this page, yes, the more you understand Marxism the more your existing alienation from society for various reasons and your experience of society's desire to excise Communists like a tumor merge together, making it impossible to see individual societies as "reality" as opposed to the world.
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	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition = A onto BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Black livingness is a physical object consisting of a Black population interacting borderlessly with its environment / Black Livingness is not a concept, rather a commitment to the existence, evolution and the prosperity of Black people recognizing the interdependence of connected struggles between groups of people based on social constructs like race, gender, religion, class and place [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that is the best I can do interpreting this sentence. this is a weirdly schizoanalyst sentence. it's like the population is trying to be totally uncountable and define itself as all of itself except its border just for the sake of it.		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition = A onto BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Black livingness is a physical object consisting of a Black population interacting borderlessly with its environment / Black Livingness is not a concept, rather a commitment to the existence, evolution and the prosperity of Black people recognizing the interdependence of connected struggles between groups of people based on social constructs like race, gender, religion, class and place [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that is the best I can do interpreting this sentence. this is a weirdly schizoanalyst sentence. it's like the population is trying to be totally uncountable and define itself as all of itself except its border just for the sake of it.

			{{li\|I=Z1/RG\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> here we go.

			{{li\|I=Z1/RG\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> okay, this has needed its own philosophy tag, good or bad as it is. {{TTS\|html=code\|BM\|B.M.}} is already taken for postmodernism in general. but {{TTS\|html=code\|RG\|R.G.}} is open, for "Ruth Wilson Gilmore" / "red and green" / "Robinson + Gilmore".<br/>
			I think.... I will keep showing this in the mauve swatch because it's a better example of some of the things I thought belonged to BlackPantherism. if it tries to claim some particularity to Africa or the African diaspora and it claims to be Marxism, and it meets a couple more conditions, then it gets the mauve swatch.

			{{li\|I=S1/RG\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}European metanarrative / Marx's work is too European ({{book\|Black Marxism}})

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	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==

	<ol class="hue clean terse {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}}">		<ol class="hue clean terse {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}}">
	{{li\|start=y		{{li\|start=y
	\|I=S1/A~~/BP~~\|Q=41,67\|Q2=4167}}abolitionism (Western-Marxism)		\|I=Z1/RG\|tradition=RG, BM onto MN\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|RG\|R.G.}} / {{book\|Black Marxism}}
			{{li\|I=S1/RG\|tradition=RG, BM onto W, A onto W\|Q=41,67\|Q2=4167}}{{TTS\|RG\|R.G.}} / abolitionism (Western-Marxism)
			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=BM\|Q=51,85\|Q2=5185}}{{TTS\|BM\|B.M.}} / postmodernism (philosophy)
			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=A onto BM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / postmodern anarchism
			{{li\|I=S1/A/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{TTS\|A\|A}} / Graeberisms (anarchist themes)
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	== External links ==		== External links ==

	* "Editorial Introduction to the Special Issue – Black Geographies and Transdisciplinary Abolitionist Education: Lifting Up Interlocking Struggles to Create Radical Possibilities". Edwards, M., Baskin, L. {{book\|Theory, Research, and Action in Urban Education}}. [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]		* "Editorial Introduction to the Special Issue – Black Geographies and Transdisciplinary Abolitionist Education: Lifting Up Interlocking Struggles to Create Radical Possibilities". Edwards, M., Baskin, L. {{book\|Theory, Research, and Action in Urban Education}}. [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]<!--
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	** D. A. Trotz, Clyde Woods, Stevie Wilson, Stuart Hall, Antonio Gramsci [war of position], Hazel Carby, Eqbal Ahmad, Edward Said, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, bell hooks, James Baldwin [definition of freedom / worldmaking], Nina Simone, Mariame Kaba, Walter Rodney, Bobby Wilson, Katherine McKittrick, Clyde Woods, Dina Georgis, Conor Tomás Reed, Tiffany Chung [mapped the Vietnam War; 'Viet Cong geographies']		** D. A. Trotz, Clyde Woods, Stevie Wilson, Stuart Hall, Antonio Gramsci [war of position], Hazel Carby, Eqbal Ahmad, Edward Said, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, bell hooks, James Baldwin [definition of freedom / worldmaking], Nina Simone, Mariame Kaba, Walter Rodney, Bobby Wilson, Katherine McKittrick, Clyde Woods, Dina Georgis, Conor Tomás Reed, Tiffany Chung [mapped the Vietnam War; 'Viet Cong geographies']

Reversedragon: Abolition is a dialectical process / worldwide populational plurality

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Abolition is a dialectical process / worldwide populational plurality

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	{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=59,59\|Q2=5959}}abolitionism (anarchism) / abolition (anarchism) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> I swear this is just one big euphemism for anarchism. the loose continuity from abolishing slavery to this new anarchism is interesting. but it's very weird how much they try to appropriate Marxism, presumably originally having nabbed it from Malcom X. it's as if a whole movement rooted in a particular population switched from Communism to anarchism and yet kept the same ideas. somebody betrayed Marxism, is what I'm saying in nicer words.		{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=59,59\|Q2=5959}}abolitionism (anarchism) / abolition (anarchism) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> I swear this is just one big euphemism for anarchism. the loose continuity from abolishing slavery to this new anarchism is interesting. but it's very weird how much they try to appropriate Marxism, presumably originally having nabbed it from Malcom X. it's as if a whole movement rooted in a particular population switched from Communism to anarchism and yet kept the same ideas. somebody betrayed Marxism, is what I'm saying in nicer words.

			{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=59,59\|Q2=5959}}abolitionism (anarchism) / Abolition is most clearly practiced and theorized in this long lineage of rebellion against the most oppressive forms of unfreedom from chattel slavery to incarceration and policing [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]

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	{{li\|I=S2/LR/IV\|Q=41,76\|Q2=4176}}A Liberal-republican party (bourgeois party; center-Liberal social-democratic party) is not a competing Marxism; this includes early 1900s Mensheviks when they functioned as a Liberal-republican party, or so-called Eurocommunists		{{li\|I=S2/LR/IV\|Q=41,76\|Q2=4176}}A Liberal-republican party (bourgeois party; center-Liberal social-democratic party) is not a competing Marxism; this includes early 1900s Mensheviks when they functioned as a Liberal-republican party, or so-called Eurocommunists

	{{li\|I=S1/IV~~/MX~~\|tradition=A onto BP, IV, MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}seeing the entire world as a foreign land [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that's actually relatable. despite all the problems with this page, yes, the more you understand Marxism the more your existing alienation from society for various reasons and society's desire to excise Communists like a tumor merge together, making it impossible to see individual societies as "reality" as opposed to the world.		{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=A onto BP, IV, MX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}worldwide populational plurality / worldwide national plurality; worldwide demographic plurality / seeing the entire world as a foreign land / <i>Most people are principally aware of one culture, one setting, one home; exiles are aware of at least two, and this plurality of vision gives rise to an awareness of simultaneous dimensions</i> (Edward Said) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that's actually relatable. despite all the problems with this page, yes, the more you understand Marxism the more your existing alienation from society for various reasons and your experience of society's desire to excise Communists like a tumor merge together, making it impossible to see individual societies as "reality" as opposed to the world.

			{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Abolition is a dialectical process [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that remains to be proved.

			{{li\|I=S2/A/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Attica is / Attica is a new population that extends beyond prison walls (Black geographies) [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition = A onto BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Black livingness is a physical object consisting of a Black population interacting borderlessly with its environment / Black Livingness is not a concept, rather a commitment to the existence, evolution and the prosperity of Black people recognizing the interdependence of connected struggles between groups of people based on social constructs like race, gender, religion, class and place [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/] -> that is the best I can do interpreting this sentence. this is a weirdly schizoanalyst sentence. it's like the population is trying to be totally uncountable and define itself as all of itself except its border just for the sake of it.

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			== External links ==

			* "Editorial Introduction to the Special Issue – Black Geographies and Transdisciplinary Abolitionist Education: Lifting Up Interlocking Struggles to Create Radical Possibilities". Edwards, M., Baskin, L. {{book\|Theory, Research, and Action in Urban Education}}. [https://traue.commons.gc.cuny.edu/editorial-introduction-to-black-geographies-and-transdisciplinary-abolitionist-education-lifting-up-interlocking-struggles-to-create-radical-possibilities/]
			** D. A. Trotz, Clyde Woods, Stevie Wilson, Stuart Hall, Antonio Gramsci [war of position], Hazel Carby, Eqbal Ahmad, Edward Said, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, bell hooks, James Baldwin [definition of freedom / worldmaking], Nina Simone, Mariame Kaba, Walter Rodney, Bobby Wilson, Katherine McKittrick, Clyde Woods, Dina Georgis, Conor Tomás Reed, Tiffany Chung [mapped the Vietnam War; 'Viet Cong geographies']


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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> note: I'm not actually sure if this book or the "Black geographies" people had anything to do with anything that happened below. for now I'll assume them to be "innocent"		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|tradition=RG\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{book\|Black Marxism}} -> note: I'm not actually sure if this book or the "Black geographies" people had anything to do with anything that happened below. for now I'll assume them to be "innocent"

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_ML" data-qid~~="34,71~~" value~~="3471~~" data-dimension="Z"><cite>~~Color, Communism, and Common Sense~~</cite>~~ (Johnson ??)		{{li\|I=Z1/ML\|tradition=\|Q=34,71\|Q2=3471}}{{book\|Color, Communism, and Common Sense}} (Johnson ??)

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,70~~" value~~="3470~~" data-dimension="F2">~~If Black people are the first ones to start a Marxist movement, there will be a race war; there has not been a race war prior to attempting Leninism -> false because there already is a race war. it's already been happening, to such an extent that Marxism couldn't newly start it.<br/>		{{li\|I=F2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,70\|Q2=3470}}If Black people are the first ones to start a Marxist movement, there will be a race war; there has not been a race war prior to attempting Leninism -> false because there already is a race war. it's already been happening, to such an extent that Marxism couldn't newly start it.<br/>
	what people really, really don't understand is that every time an anarchist hides out and "lives life by anarchism", at least one Tory does it along with them. and if it goes on long enough, Tories become cops and shoot Black people just as part of "living their lives by anarcho-Toryism", exactly [[E:Every ideology invents direct action\|the same way]] people do post-structuralist anarchism, just [[E:Post-structuralist anarchy is indistinguishable from Toryism\|in khaki brown]]. anarchists are really really bad at [[E:duplexing (meta-Marxism)\|duplexing]] things and realizing what their ideologies lead to.		what people really, really don't understand is that every time an anarchist hides out and "lives life by anarchism", at least one Tory does it along with them. and if it goes on long enough, Tories become cops and shoot Black people just as part of "living their lives by anarcho-Toryism", exactly [[E:Every ideology invents direct action\|the same way]] people do post-structuralist anarchism, just [[E:Post-structuralist anarchy is indistinguishable from Toryism\|in khaki brown]]. anarchists are really really bad at [[E:duplexing (meta-Marxism)\|duplexing]] things and realizing what their ideologies lead to.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,72~~" value~~="3472~~" data-dimension="S2">~~Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,72\|Q2=3472}}Manning Johnson orchestrated a Communist plot to divide Black churches {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} [https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/manning-johnson-1958-the-communist-plot-to-exploit-blacks/] / Stalin planned to use Black people as expendables (sic; referring to a proposed vanguard) -> it appears the main error here is taking the phrase "general conflagration" and not realizing the key word is "general". looks like the substance of the plan is that {{em\|if}} there is a rebellion in the United States {{em\|then}} it will occur when Black people and all the other workers join together. but in reality, the Soviet Union has made an error because since around the US Civil War its subpopulations don't really spontaneously join together like that. it's always been movements for really specific identities only that on top of that take a really really long time or sometimes go backward. so yeah, "Stalin's" theory was wrong. look at people today and weirdly, the most effective and popular issues for joining people together are negative issues against things, especially a million people against a specific individual. people are very "anarchy-brained" and seem really incapable of comprehending actually creating policies versus exactly and precisely {{TTS\|html=em\|not having something bad\|E=Capitalism ends through many rounds of Absolutely Not}} that's annoying or frightening them.

	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" data-qid~~="34,73~~" value~~="3473~~" data-dimension="S">~~Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so <em>official~~</em>~~.		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=\|Q=34,73\|Q2=3473}}Highlander school of Communist troublemaking {{YouTube\|JzP-UurjYEE}} -> this phrase makes me laugh. it's really the cherry on top that it has the same cadence as "Hogwarts school of wizardry". it sounds so {{em\|official}}.

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Lord English is already here -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|tradition=Fy, MSPA\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Lord English is already here -> I don't even remember much of what happened in Homestuck but somehow I remember this. it is the first thing that popped into my mind when I thought back to the claim that Black people trying to avoid Leninism would "avoid a race war".