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	(context: somebody claimed a crisis of capitalism would cause people to stop having such distorted views on Israel/Palestine and Liberal-republican candidates. I don't {{em\|think}} that person was a member of RCI, I only bring them up facetiously.)		(context: somebody claimed a crisis of capitalism would cause people to stop having such distorted views on Israel/Palestine and Liberal-republican candidates. I don't {{em\|think}} that person was a member of RCI, I only bring them up facetiously.)

	<pre>Okay but.... crises of capitalism happen all the time and get worse and worse every decade, and no matter how much it happens it seems like First World countries only get worse instead of better. People get _more_ anticommunist, anarchism gets _more_ popular, and overall it begins to look bizarrely like one whole country of owners is fighting whole countries of workers in one big unity of opposites.		------

	I think Communists need to find a way to be more proactive and less reactive. I have listened to entirely too many Trotskyist talks about "crises increasing" and by now they all sound like jokes. None of them is predicting anything. We're really at the point where you can do an Alan Woods impression and say the crises of global capitalism are getting worse and that becomes inherently funny.		... crises of capitalism happen all the time and get worse and worse every decade, and no matter how much it happens it seems like First World countries only get worse instead of better. People get {{em\|more}} anticommunist, anarchism gets {{em\|more}} popular, and overall it begins to look bizarrely like one whole country of owners is fighting whole countries of workers in one big unity of opposites.
	So.... really? Crises of global capitalism? You think ~~_that~~'s_ going break people away from empire? When in 1970 the top way to combat poverty was to put people without jobs straight into the U.S. military and pay them to fight in Vietnam?
			I think Communists need to find a way to be more proactive and less reactive. I have listened to entirely too many Trotskyist talks about "crises increasing" and by now they all sound like jokes. None of them is predicting anything. We're really at the point where you can do an Alan Woods impression and say the crises of global capitalism are getting worse and that becomes inherently funny.<br/>
			So.... really? Crises of global capitalism? You think {{em\|that's}} going break people away from empire? When in 1970 the top way to combat poverty was to put people without jobs straight into the U.S. military and pay them to fight in Vietnam?

	This is basically where the really bad theories come from like Western-Marxism and Marcuse. They come to the realization that capitalism doesn't just collapse, and then they start assuming that everyone will suddenly become aware of some other form of "consciousness" such as deciding that events in Israel are "a crisis" and everyone having a "moral awakening". And then suddenly everyone puts their energy into trying to speed up that "moral crisis". But it also turns into a game of telephone where everybody's understanding of what does and doesn't speed up the moral crisis becomes more and more incoherent.		This is basically where the really bad theories come from like Western-Marxism and Marcuse. They come to the realization that capitalism doesn't just collapse, and then they start assuming that everyone will suddenly become aware of some other form of "consciousness" such as deciding that events in Israel are "a crisis" and everyone having a "moral awakening". And then suddenly everyone puts their energy into trying to speed up that "moral crisis". But it also turns into a game of telephone where everybody's understanding of what does and doesn't speed up the moral crisis becomes more and more incoherent.

	I feel like.... relying on crises is the problem. We need to act as if there is another way to win people over than crises (even if there isn't) and when we've built what should be a rock-solid argument to win people over to organizations and a plan for organizations to help everyone weather the period of breaking from all the current centers of capital and power, perhaps there ~~_will_~~ be some event that properly activates that shift that we're waiting for, but I'm not sure we'll actually be able to predict what that event even is. Really, it seems to me like people get vastly more upset over little things than big things. It will be something absurdly small like a dispute between a corporation and a fanfiction archive that gets really out of hand and suddenly shows people that everything they believed about what is allowed and not allowed inside capitalism was logically contradictory and there's no logical way to tape the systems they believed to be functional back together. Everybody talking about "real" issues including Cuba or Israel and Palestine will be deeply confused why it took everyone so long to come around and why this was the thing that did it. But it's going to be something really small that people interact with every day, not something large-scale that forces people to see the big picture globally.~~</pre>~~		I feel like.... relying on crises is the problem. We need to act as if there is another way to win people over than crises (even if there isn't) and when we've built what should be a rock-solid argument to win people over to organizations and a plan for organizations to help everyone weather the period of breaking from all the current centers of capital and power, perhaps there {{em\|will}} be some event that properly activates that shift that we're waiting for, but I'm not sure we'll actually be able to predict what that event even is. Really, it seems to me like people get vastly more upset over little things than big things. It will be something absurdly small like a dispute between a corporation and a fanfiction archive that gets really out of hand and suddenly shows people that everything they believed about what is allowed and not allowed inside capitalism was logically contradictory and there's no logical way to tape the systems they believed to be functional back together. Everybody talking about "real" issues including Cuba or Israel and Palestine will be deeply confused why it took everyone so long to come around and why this was the thing that did it. But it's going to be something really small that people interact with every day, not something large-scale that forces people to see the big picture globally.

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(context: somebody claimed a crisis of capitalism would cause people to stop having such distorted views on Israel/Palestine and Liberal-republican candidates. I don't {{em|think}} that person was a member of RCI, I only bring them up facetiously.)

<pre>Okay but.... crises of capitalism happen all the time and get worse and worse every decade, and no matter how much it happens it seems like First World countries only get worse instead of better. People get _more_ anticommunist, anarchism gets _more_ popular, and overall it begins to look bizarrely like one whole country of owners is fighting whole countries of workers in one big unity of opposites.

I think Communists need to find a way to be more proactive and less reactive. I have listened to entirely too many Trotskyist talks about "crises increasing" and by now they all sound like jokes. None of them is predicting anything. We're really at the point where you can do an Alan Woods impression and say the crises of global capitalism are getting worse and that becomes inherently funny.
So.... really? Crises of global capitalism? You think _that's_ going break people away from empire? When in 1970 the top way to combat poverty was to put people without jobs straight into the U.S. military and pay them to fight in Vietnam?

This is basically where the really bad theories come from like Western-Marxism and Marcuse. They come to the realization that capitalism doesn't just collapse, and then they start assuming that everyone will suddenly become aware of some other form of "consciousness" such as deciding that events in Israel are "a crisis" and everyone having a "moral awakening". And then suddenly everyone puts their energy into trying to speed up that "moral crisis". But it also turns into a game of telephone where everybody's understanding of what does and doesn't speed up the moral crisis becomes more and more incoherent.

I feel like.... relying on crises is the problem. We need to act as if there is another way to win people over than crises (even if there isn't) and when we've built what should be a rock-solid argument to win people over to organizations and a plan for organizations to help everyone weather the period of breaking from all the current centers of capital and power, perhaps there _will_ be some event that properly activates that shift that we're waiting for, but I'm not sure we'll actually be able to predict what that event even is. Really, it seems to me like people get vastly more upset over little things than big things. It will be something absurdly small like a dispute between a corporation and a fanfiction archive that gets really out of hand and suddenly shows people that everything they believed about what is allowed and not allowed inside capitalism was logically contradictory and there's no logical way to tape the systems they believed to be functional back together. Everybody talking about "real" issues including Cuba or Israel and Palestine will be deeply confused why it took everyone so long to come around and why this was the thing that did it. But it's going to be something really small that people interact with every day, not something large-scale that forces people to see the big picture globally.</pre>

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