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Dilbert but for workers' states

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|Q=43,21\|Q2=4321\|rem=post revolution}}international bank of Trotskyism ~~-> I brought up this concept in another entry, can't remember which.~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|Q=43,21\|Q2=4321\|rem=post revolution}}international bank of Trotskyism

	{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=43,05\|Q2=4305}}Pablo expected that Stalinist workers' states might change themselves and become part of Trotskyism (Cannon) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/10/open-o21.html] / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]]) -> honestly? I don't see what's wrong with his logic. {{em\|if}} we already assume that a bunch of countries have orange parties somehow that are actually effective, and there are three countries with crimson parties, there is basically no reason for the crimson countries to not turn orange and join the Fourth International. when you look at the emergence of Deng Xiaoping Thought, each country copied the others specifically because it worked. so Cannon really overestimates how much workers' states would resist Trotskyism. I think the real problem here is that it doesn't function. if it {{em\|was}} functional, I feel like all the countries that are in Deng Xiaoping Thought right now would have just lined up and joined Trotskyism; China, Cuba, Vietnam, maybe Venezuela would all be part of some kind of Trotskyism right now.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=43,05\|Q2=4305}}Pablo expected that Stalinist workers' states might change themselves and become part of Trotskyism (Cannon) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/10/open-o21.html] / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]]) -> honestly? I don't see what's wrong with his logic. {{em\|if}} we already assume that a bunch of countries have orange parties somehow that are actually effective, and there are three countries with crimson parties, there is basically no reason for the crimson countries to not turn orange and join the Fourth International. when you look at the emergence of Deng Xiaoping Thought, each country copied the others specifically because it worked. so Cannon really overestimates how much workers' states would resist Trotskyism. I think the real problem here is that it doesn't function. if it {{em\|was}} functional, I feel like all the countries that are in Deng Xiaoping Thought right now would have just lined up and joined Trotskyism; China, Cuba, Vietnam, maybe Venezuela would all be part of some kind of Trotskyism right now.<br/>
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|Q=43,22\|Q2=4322}}international health care program (hypothetical 'government program' which is de-localized across the world such that no country could complain that its own taxpayers are being bled) -> today I had this thought of like, {{i\|if I went back to college to become actually good at physics and actually not do all the college work with a bunch of lapses and failures and confusions that still give me nightmares I'd probably develop OCD.}}<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|Q=43,22\|Q2=4322}}international health care program (hypothetical 'government program' which is de-localized across the world such that no country could complain that its own taxpayers are being bled) -> today I had this thought of like, {{i\|if I went back to college to become actually good at physics and actually not do all the college work with a bunch of lapses and failures and confusions that still give me nightmares I'd probably develop OCD.}}<br/>
	then like some kind of mental Mii game cursor I picked up [[User:RD/Ironblood/34rism/Crosstone\|RD]] out of the real world and put them down in the Ironblood universe. then... ~~well,~~ as to what filled my mind next, I'll just transcribe it.<br/>		then like some kind of mental Mii game cursor I picked up [[User:RD/Ironblood/34rism/Crosstone\|RD]] out of the real world and put them down in the Ironblood universe. then... as to what filled my mind next, I'll just transcribe it.<br/>
	{{em\|In a world where Medicare has been dismantled...}} '{{i\|[nobody in particular:]}} oh no!' {{em\|It has been replaced by the international health care program.}} '{{i\|[nobody in particular:]}} ...oh. well that's okay, I guess.'<br/>		{{em\|In a world where Medicare has been dismantled...}} '{{i\|[nobody in particular:]}} oh no!' {{em\|It has been replaced by the international health care program.}} '{{i\|[nobody in particular:]}} ...oh. well that's okay, I guess.'<br/>
	[vignette 2] '{{i\|[Crosstone:]}} If go back to college I'm going to get OCD...' 'well you're in luck, because you'd qualify for the autistic-people-inevitably-getting-OCD-at-college credit' '...the what?? I don't know whether that's great or whether I should be scared that exists.'<br/>		[vignette 2] '{{i\|[Crosstone:]}} If go back to college I'm going to get OCD...' 'well you're in luck, because you'd qualify for the autistic-people-inevitably-getting-OCD-at-college credit' '...[[E:Dilbert but for workers' states\|...the what??]] I don't know whether that's great or whether I should be scared that exists.'<br/>
	<s>I think in teleplays half the time. when it's not me doing a regular 'nonfiction' internal monologue then it comes in 'scripts' similar to graphic novels or teleplays. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleplay]</s><br/>		<s>I think in teleplays half the time. when it's not me doing a regular 'nonfiction' internal monologue then it comes in 'scripts' similar to graphic novels or teleplays. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleplay]</s><br/>
	I can't help but think that like, if Trotskyism wasn't a bunch of smoke and mirrors and lies, what it would be doing is taking the world through a slow and painful transformation from government programs belonging to specific countries to government programs literally becoming international such it's very hard to take them away.		I can't help but think that like, if Trotskyism wasn't a bunch of smoke and mirrors and lies, what it would be doing is taking the world through a slow and painful transformation from government programs belonging to specific countries to government programs literally becoming international such it's very hard to take them away.

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== Main entry ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/MX/IV|Q=43,21|Q2=4321|rem=post revolution}}international bank of Trotskyism -> I brought up this concept in another entry, can't remember which.

{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=43,05|Q2=4305}}Pablo expected that Stalinist workers' states might change themselves and become part of Trotskyism (Cannon) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/10/open-o21.html] / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86|9k]]) -> honestly? I don't see what's wrong with his logic. {{em|if}} we already assume that a bunch of countries have orange parties somehow that are actually effective, and there are three countries with crimson parties, there is basically no reason for the crimson countries to not turn orange and join the Fourth International. when you look at the emergence of Deng Xiaoping Thought, each country copied the others specifically because it worked. so Cannon really overestimates how much workers' states would resist Trotskyism. I think the real problem here is that it doesn't function. if it {{em|was}} functional, I feel like all the countries that are in Deng Xiaoping Thought right now would have just lined up and joined Trotskyism; China, Cuba, Vietnam, maybe Venezuela would all be part of some kind of Trotskyism right now. 
you really have to ask why BRICS is a serious discussion and why these eight countries haven't just all signed onto the international bank of Trotskyism. they really could have done that. just create a single BRICS currency to be used by the current pool of workers' states and allow other Third World countries to use it at their choice. maybe create another currency if there came to be too many countries on one of them, then put both currencies together into the same international bank. (having too many Third World people on one currency seems to lead to instability because Third World economies are more prone to crashes than First World currencies are, but on the other hand blockchain fanatics have managed to accidentally demonstrate that currencies keep their value better if you split them than if you let the ratio of people per currency unit go up and up and up.) that sounds like a solid idea to me. I have no idea why I haven't heard Trotskyists saying this. I guess maybe it would have to do with the fact that this isn't quite the issue of an "independent" orange workers' party these days and it's more the already-powerful people that are the ones who decide on currencies? but by that same reasoning, already-powerful people are the ones who push for stopping Israel, and Trotskyists aren't against that. so I'm not sure why an issue being one you have to force the Careerists and mayors and legislators etc to stop not doing is an inappropriate issue. making mayors sort of acknowledge the housing issue is one of the only things Trotskyist groups have been genuinely achieving. so why not an eight-country bank designed to stop "Pabloism"?

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/MX/IV|Q=43,22|Q2=4322}}international health care program (hypothetical 'government program' which is de-localized across the world such that no country could complain that its own taxpayers are being bled) -> today I had this thought of like, {{i|if I went back to college to become actually good at physics and actually not do all the college work with a bunch of lapses and failures and confusions that still give me nightmares I'd probably develop OCD.}} 
then like some kind of mental Mii game cursor I picked up [[User:RD/Ironblood/34rism/Crosstone|RD]] out of the real world and put them down in the Ironblood universe. then... well, as to what filled my mind next, I'll just transcribe it. 
{{em|In a world where Medicare has been dismantled...}} '{{i|[nobody in particular:]}} oh no!' {{em|It has been replaced by the international health care program.}} '{{i|[nobody in particular:]}} ...oh. well that's okay, I guess.' 
[vignette 2] '{{i|[Crosstone:]}} If go back to college I'm going to get OCD...' 'well you're in luck, because you'd qualify for the autistic-people-inevitably-getting-OCD-at-college credit' '...the what?? I don't know whether that's great or whether I should be scared that exists.' 
<s>I think in teleplays half the time. when it's not me doing a regular 'nonfiction' internal monologue then it comes in 'scripts' similar to graphic novels or teleplays. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleplay]</s> 
I can't help but think that like, if Trotskyism wasn't a bunch of smoke and mirrors and lies, what it would be doing is taking the world through a slow and painful transformation from government programs belonging to specific countries to government programs literally becoming international such it's very hard to take them away.

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== Ideologies or fields ==


* IV / Trotskyism
* MX onto IV


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