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		<title>Reversedragon: label: Meta-Marxism is impossible</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;label: Meta-Marxism is impossible&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Reversedragon</name></author>
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		<title>Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4500 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q45,00: Alias comma number / interchangeable Way: order</title>
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		<updated>2026-10-17T09:28:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Reversedragon moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q4500&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4500&quot;&gt;Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q4500&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q45,00&quot; title=&quot;Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q45,00&quot;&gt;Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q45,00&lt;/a&gt;: Alias comma number / interchangeable Way: order&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Reversedragon: copy markup from Q56,94</title>
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		<updated>2026-10-17T09:28:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;copy markup from &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Special:PermanentLink/46217&quot; title=&quot;Special:PermanentLink/46217&quot;&gt;Q56,94&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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== Main entry ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{HueCSS}}&amp;lt;ol class=&amp;quot;hue clean  {{int:hue-ixn-classname-DFy}}&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- inactive: {{int:hue-ixn-classname-ML}} --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|Q=45,00|Q2=4500}}Meta-Marxism is an impossibility (Trotskyism)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Related ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|Q=45,00|Q2=4500}}Meta-Marxism is an impossibility  -&amp;gt;  the bot always tries to argue this one if you ask it. I don&amp;#039;t need to elaborate there, because by now I&amp;#039;m sure the actual historical Marxist sources say similar things. in Trotsky&amp;#039;s time definitely, but supposedly, even Marx said this in his own &amp;quot;prototype&amp;quot;, the Grundrisse.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{li|I=S2/MX/IV|tradition=IV oer MX|Q=45,01|Q2=4501}}Meta-Marxism doesn&amp;#039;t reach classes / [[E:Q92|Meta-Marxism]] is not capable of calculating the results of class conflicts if it is a different vantage point from Trotskyism {{9k|RD|Q4208}}  -&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
in some ways, there is already an argument for this. [on the prototype page for {{QSense|42|08}}] I set down a &amp;quot;meta-Marxist analysis&amp;quot; that is questionable. I come back and mark that as an error. I decide that in order to mark it as an error I will mark it as the error of a specific tendency (Dengism), because that is the [[EC:9k/RD/Q90|apparent form of Marxism]] I had tentatively decided to defend. so, the question comes up: is the violet swatch just an excuse to wildly oscillate between different kinds of errors from Materialism that are all aligned with some particular internal structure with a class character? I definitely did not beat the accusation on that page.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I want to entertain the path of just going full orange on this wiki and only keeping the violet swatch in limited cases as a pure formality ... but I can&amp;#039;t prove that I wouldn&amp;#039;t just be choosing that out of opportunism and a lack of commitment. so, ironically, I have to keep my alignment to meta-Marxism and the concept of meta-Marxist theory until the day I can prove I&amp;#039;m a {{caps|Real}} Trotskyist. and I genuinely don&amp;#039;t know if I can ever make it there. putting aside the wrong propositions that are jokes, it seems like I never stop making stupid mistakes.&lt;br /&gt;
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== {{int:hue-prototype-trads-topics-or-genres}} ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{li|start=y&lt;br /&gt;
    |I=Z1/IV|Q=41,04|Q2=4104}}{{TTS|IV|Fourth}} / Trotskyism&lt;br /&gt;
{{li|I=S1/MX|Q=92|Q2=92}}{{TTS|MX|M.X.}} / violet Materialism&lt;br /&gt;
{{li|I=S1/MX/DX|Q=92|Q2=92}}{{TTS|MX|M.X.}} / meta-Materialism&lt;br /&gt;
{{li|I=S1/MX/DX|Q=92|Q2=92}}{{TTS|MX|M.X.}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q92|meta-Marxism]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{li|I=Z0/ML|Q=90|Q2=90}}{{TTS|MX ∘ ML|M.X. through M-L|title=MX thru ML}} / [[EC:9k/RD/Q90|apparent forms of Marxism]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wavebuilder combinations ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{WaveBuild| {{E:Q618/MX|??}} | -- | -- }}  &amp;lt;!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{WaveBuild| {{E:Q618/IV|??}} | -- | -- }}  &amp;lt;!-- en: Along With, Produces  ??  ?? --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* {{nickel/silent}} [[Research talk:5c/|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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