Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q46,02 - Revision history

Reversedragon: Revisionism is when Marxist parties aren't orange

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Revisionism is when Marxist parties aren't orange

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	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_trotsky" value~~="4602~~" data-dimension="Z">~~International Committee (1953) / ICFI (attempted International) [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/icfi/about.html]		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/IV\|Q=46,02\|Q2=4602}}International Committee (1953) / ICFI (attempted International) [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/icfi/about.html]

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,71\|Q2=4271}}The ICFI (Fourth International of 1953) aims to realize an era of socialism which stretches around the world [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/icfi/about.html] / The ICFI believes the realization of Trotskyism begins with an era of socialism -> see, like, all by itself, this makes sense. what doesn't make sense is A) Trotskyists have never realized (noticed) that the more Dengisms or East-Germanies there are the more likely it is that they get world socialism (Bolshevism) specifically B) Trotskyists have never realized that mainstream Marxism-Leninism contributed to getting to world socialism C) the observed fact that in the real world whenever you challenge socialisms-in-one-country you're way more likely to get international anarchist movements that reject an era of socialism than you are to get anything resembling Trotskyism or any form of Leninism period. this honestly still confuses me because you would think a Trotskyism consisting of about 5-20 countries at a time would make more logical sense than anarchism in like every regard. it has possible structures that come to mind based on history (although there might be several that are possible) and if it ever came to be it could defend itself. but everything that isn't Liberal-republicanism or socialism-in-one-country (plus Dengism etc) being anarchism is the observed real-world pattern. it's vaguely as if it's only physically possible to create populational structures that are smaller than one population or the exact size of one population while it's physically impossible to take all the people inside two populations and form a new border around them as is required for an era of socialism.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,71\|Q2=4271}}The ICFI (Fourth International of 1953) aims to realize an era of socialism which stretches around the world [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/icfi/about.html] / The ICFI believes the realization of Trotskyism begins with an era of socialism -> see, like, all by itself, this makes sense. what doesn't make sense is A) Trotskyists have never realized (noticed) that the more Dengisms or East-Germanies there are the more likely it is that they get world socialism (Bolshevism) specifically B) Trotskyists have never realized that mainstream Marxism-Leninism contributed to getting to world socialism C) the observed fact that in the real world whenever you challenge socialisms-in-one-country you're way more likely to get international anarchist movements that reject an era of socialism than you are to get anything resembling Trotskyism or any form of Leninism period. this honestly still confuses me because you would think a Trotskyism consisting of about 5-20 countries at a time would make more logical sense than anarchism in like every regard. it has possible structures that come to mind based on history (although there might be several that are possible) and if it ever came to be it could defend itself. but everything that isn't Liberal-republicanism or socialism-in-one-country (plus Dengism etc) being anarchism is the observed real-world pattern. it's vaguely as if it's only physically possible to create populational structures that are smaller than one population or the exact size of one population while it's physically impossible to take all the people inside two populations and form a new border around them as is required for an era of socialism.

			{{li\|I=S2/IV\|Q=40,46\|Q2=4046}}Revisionism is when Marxist parties aren't orange -> Cannon, Pablo, ICFI. this seems like a terrible stance to take if you want as many regions of the world in an era of socialism as possible.

	{{li\|I=S2/IV/ML\|Q=42,86\|Q2=4286}}Pabloism / the opportunist current that sought to liquidate the Fourth International and allow Stalinist states to form / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]])		{{li\|I=S2/IV/ML\|Q=42,86\|Q2=4286}}Pabloism / the opportunist current that sought to liquidate the Fourth International and allow Stalinist states to form / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]])

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Reversedragon: The ICFI aims to realize an era of socialism which stretches around the world

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The ICFI aims to realize an era of socialism which stretches around the world

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,86\|Q2=4286}}Pabloism / the opportunist current that sought to liquidate the Fourth International and allow Stalinist states to form / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]])		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/IV\|Q=42,71\|Q2=4271}}The ICFI (Fourth International of 1953) aims to realize an era of socialism which stretches around the world [https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/icfi/about.html] / The ICFI believes the realization of Trotskyism begins with an era of socialism -> see, like, all by itself, this makes sense. what doesn't make sense is A) Trotskyists have never realized (noticed) that the more Dengisms or East-Germanies there are the more likely it is that they get world socialism (Bolshevism) specifically B) Trotskyists have never realized that mainstream Marxism-Leninism contributed to getting to world socialism C) the observed fact that in the real world whenever you challenge socialisms-in-one-country you're way more likely to get international anarchist movements that reject an era of socialism than you are to get anything resembling Trotskyism or any form of Leninism period. this honestly still confuses me because you would think a Trotskyism consisting of about 5-20 countries at a time would make more logical sense than anarchism in like every regard. it has possible structures that come to mind based on history (although there might be several that are possible) and if it ever came to be it could defend itself. but everything that isn't Liberal-republicanism or socialism-in-one-country (plus Dengism etc) being anarchism is the observed real-world pattern. it's vaguely as if it's only physically possible to create populational structures that are smaller than one population or the exact size of one population while it's physically impossible to take all the people inside two populations and form a new border around them as is required for an era of socialism.

			{{li\|I=S2/IV/ML\|Q=42,86\|Q2=4286}}Pabloism / the opportunist current that sought to liquidate the Fourth International and allow Stalinist states to form / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86\|9k]])

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{{li|start=y|I=S2/IV|Q=42,86|Q2=4286}}Pabloism / the opportunist current that sought to liquidate the Fourth International and allow Stalinist states to form / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q42,86|9k]])

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