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	(Yes, if we ever get out of capitalism we can return to science too. The issue, again, is that while capitalism exists almost all scientific research except perhaps some things like research on rare diseases has become far less important than studying the sheer shapes, arrangements, and development of human populations to become conscious of the otherwise uncontrolled flow of human beings and ultimately direct them to form a world population. The entire pseudo-left seems to halfway know this, getting absolutely furious if you talk about any form of science or technology that isn't directly aimed at ending class society; these days you cannot have a single friend if you try to tell people there's anything more to discover instead of bashing sciences that aren't Marxism for contributing to uncontrolled growth and empire. So that's how I roll now. We are bizarrely entering a period where Marxism is the only "science" that matters any more.)		(Yes, if we ever get out of capitalism we can return to science too. The issue, again, is that while capitalism exists almost all scientific research except perhaps some things like research on rare diseases has become far less important than studying the sheer shapes, arrangements, and development of human populations to become conscious of the otherwise uncontrolled flow of human beings and ultimately direct them to form a world population. The entire pseudo-left seems to halfway know this, getting absolutely furious if you talk about any form of science or technology that isn't directly aimed at ending class society; these days you cannot have a single friend if you try to tell people there's anything more to discover instead of bashing sciences that aren't Marxism for contributing to uncontrolled growth and empire. So that's how I roll now. We are bizarrely entering a period where Marxism is the only "science" that matters any more.)

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			articles [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/08/28/vcge-a28.html] [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/11/26/1619-n26.html] [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/30/crit-a30.html] [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/21/proj-f21.html] / [https://www.socialistalternative.org/marxism-fight-black-freedom/black-lives-matter-marxism/]<br/>
			"the insistence that all personal relationships ..."

			This article has bothered me<br/>
			Trotskyists have historically done this<br/>
			if you don't you become Nadezhda Krupskaya

			victory of the proletariat is all individuals able to survive - bourgeoisie are survival leaders

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			I read about four WSWS articles related to the 1619 Project, and since about ?? days ago I have not been able to stop thinking about them. All the fine details about how the 1619 Project misunderstood what history is (and, by extension, how the book {{book\|Black Marxism}} misunderstood it) seem basically correct, but there was something about these articles that really bothered me because I kept feeling like they were missing the big picture. Since having read an article called "across Black geographies" (2025), [https://alexamoulton.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/3/8/123805387/williams_et_al_2025__black_livingness_and_insurgent_ecological_politics.pdf] I've gotten more insight into what the actual hidden conflict here may be. The ICFI does not have an adequate understanding of the need for the scientific study of human populations as discrete semi-countable material objects. A great portion of bourgeois ideologies that attempt to take the place of Marxism generally seem to center themselves around the concepts of anthropology and cultural relativism (populational relativism); every time some academic talks about "culture" or "identity" or "community" or "prejudice" or "re-enchantment" or "spirituality" or any number of other related words it's actually all just a fuzzy way to talk about the concept of countable populations. All of these frameworks are grasping for a study of populations more or less because they are upset Trotskyism does not contain one and refuse to trust Trotskyist leadership to lead them until it does.

			One pervasive theme in historical Marxist writings is that when two political populations of people mix together, the key to whether that mixture is a good thing or a bad thing is whether the proletarian party has assumed leadership over the other parties' demands. When Lenin was trying to explain the significance of the Duma, the key was creating a proletarian party that successfully absorbs everyone else's demands well enough to make the Duma irrelevant. Even with situations like the Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Communist Party of China having to organize a country of peasants, or the Hungarian soviet republic, the key was being able to absorb peasant demands to the point the peasants stop caring they are being led by a proletarian party. This was one of Stalin's only successes: for a time, he managed to get most of the Soviet peasants behind him until the bureaucrats could not properly solve natural disasters partly brought on by the overall disorganization of Ukrainian peasant society and the only solution they could think of was to hunt the kulaks. Each year the Soviet Union could not satisfy the actual needs of the remaining small producers or archaic social structures in general, regular people began to desert it, somewhat like the people of the Hungarian soviet republic when it left the peasants behind entirely.

			I think this is the general problem going on whenever Black people are attempting to do "independent racial organization" as if it's a similar thing to "independent organization of the working class". They are turning their backs on Trotskyism because there has been an actual crisis of leadership. Once I read an article from Socialist Alternative about how the IMT was having trouble about . Then, not too long after, I saw one of the WSWS interviews about the 1619 Project. And I was not impressed.
			I really went and invented a whole framework of "meta-Marxism" just to avoid being a Trotskyist because at that time I genuinely did not believe Trotskyism could ever succeed.

			That is not really postmodernism. That's just the anthropological study of political populations.

			I thought there were multiple separate versions of Trotskyism so I was confused why they fought each other. I thought Trotskyist leadership as a whole was uniquely terrible because "Stalin would never do that". I was a bit bothered by the Great Terror period, again, because I didn't understand why if there were so many parallel versions of Stalinism-Khruschevism-Dengism and so many versions of Trotskyism why all the versions of Stalinism and all the versions of Trotskyism didn't just all join back together again.

			in that sense, they are doing exactly what they need to be doing. As crazy as that may sound.

			the United States and Japan each existing and not being one big population? that's what race is. race and nationality are basically the same thing, but the only difference is that race is observed at tiny scales inside other populations instead of at large ones.
			new soviet man - did not become one nationality. science of multiple nationalities or subpopulations still needed.
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	So... this is only tangentially related to the contents of the 1619 Project itself, but I feel the need to try to explain where all of this is really coming from, because I think it's partly being taken out of context.		So... this is only tangentially related to the contents of the 1619 Project itself, but I feel the need to try to explain where all of this is really coming from, because I think it's partly being taken out of context.

	Today I stumbled onto an article called "Black livingness and insurgent ecological politics: Thinking across Black geographies / Atlantics / ecologies" (Williams et al. 2025), which I was reading simply to try to find out what on earth "Black livingness" and "Black geographies" were. As for the first one, I still have no idea, but Black geographies actually are something. This article explains that the basic concept of the field is to get information about ancient pre-capitalist "industries" by looking for particular markers of cultural practices that are recorded physically in the ground rather than being formally recorded on paper or clay tablets, etc — basically, the same broad concept as what archaeologists do, looking at physical evidence like buildings or graves to use physical objects as records. The only big difference between archaeological methods and "Black geographies" is that maps are involved. "Geographers of blackness" or "agroecological geographers" study evidence of things like cultivated forests in various locations across the world in order to map the extent of particular populations connected by common cultural practices — again, this is the same concept as archaeologists mapping the extent of a particular kingdom thousands of years ago by looking for particular styles of pottery. Every article about this stuff is a little opaque and full of strange terminology, and at some times they can start to sound a little circular. {{i\|So... you study the geography of cultivated forests so the totality of cultivated forests can understand the extent of cultivated forests?}} And then there's the heavy anarchist subtext in a lot of them where they want to frame tribal societies themselves as a sort of technology or library of knowledge that humanity forgot and needs to go back to, all because the ability of humanity to cultivate an entire forest that remains a mildly altered form of the natural environment that always was and casually use it for food (without having to wall off the entire thing as a nature preserve) is amazing. Despite all the weirdness on the surface of these articles, some of them actually do make sense.		Today I stumbled onto an article called "Black livingness and insurgent ecological politics: Thinking across Black geographies / Atlantics / ecologies" (Williams et al. 2025), [https://alexamoulton.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/3/8/123805387/williams_et_al_2025__black_livingness_and_insurgent_ecological_politics.pdf] which I was reading simply to try to find out what on earth "Black livingness" and "Black geographies" were. As for the first one, I still have no idea, but Black geographies actually are something. This article explains that the basic concept of the field is to get information about ancient pre-capitalist "industries" by looking for particular markers of cultural practices that are recorded physically in the ground rather than being formally recorded on paper or clay tablets, etc — basically, the same broad concept as what archaeologists do, looking at physical evidence like buildings or graves to use physical objects as records. The only big difference between archaeological methods and "Black geographies" is that maps are involved. "Geographers of blackness" or "agroecological geographers" study evidence of things like cultivated forests in various locations across the world in order to map the extent of particular populations connected by common cultural practices — again, this is the same concept as archaeologists mapping the extent of a particular kingdom thousands of years ago by looking for particular styles of pottery. Every article about this stuff is a little opaque and full of strange terminology, and at some times they can start to sound a little circular. {{i\|So... you study the geography of cultivated forests so the totality of cultivated forests can understand the extent of cultivated forests?}} And then there's the heavy anarchist subtext in a lot of them where they want to frame tribal societies themselves as a sort of technology or library of knowledge that humanity forgot and needs to go back to, all because the ability of humanity to cultivate an entire forest that remains a mildly altered form of the natural environment that always was and casually use it for food (without having to wall off the entire thing as a nature preserve) is amazing. Despite all the weirdness on the surface of these articles, some of them actually do make sense.

	Basically there are a few core claims the "Black geography" articles are making.		Basically there are a few core claims the "Black geography" articles are making.<br/>
	A) The "colonial" records (what they really mean is the paper record as opposed to the physical ground record) omitted certain traces of Black populations as they really existed. These traces are found in the earth, when geographers confirm the traces of cultivated forests.		A) The "colonial" records (what they really mean is the paper record as opposed to the physical ground record) omitted certain traces of Black populations as they really existed. These traces are found in the earth, when geographers confirm the traces of cultivated forests.<br/>
	B) The physical record contains information about practices that are industrially interesting as well as anthropologically interesting; the old practice of cultivated forests and other forms such as polyculture gardens are to be regarded as an ancient form of industry which may or may not still be useful today.		B) The physical record contains information about practices that are industrially interesting as well as anthropologically interesting; the old practice of cultivated forests and other forms such as polyculture gardens are to be regarded as an ancient form of industry which may or may not still be useful today.<br/>
	C) Geographers can study people-groups taking forms such as tribal societies or diasporas by using maps; modern technology since about the 2000s makes it easier to understand the size and extent of populations without hard borders. The article above sees this as a way to conceptualize an international society which may continue to be useful after the age of the nation-state: "the Black Atlantic represents a 'transcultural, international formation' of intellectual production, culture and memory ... a set of practices and collaborations that challenge, rather than reify, notions of race and nationhood".		C) Geographers can study people-groups taking forms such as tribal societies or diasporas by using maps; modern technology since about the 2000s makes it easier to understand the size and extent of populations without hard borders. The article above sees this as a way to conceptualize an international society which may continue to be useful after the age of the nation-state: "the Black Atlantic represents a 'transcultural, international formation' of intellectual production, culture and memory ... a set of practices and collaborations that challenge, rather than reify, notions of race and nationhood".<br/>
	D) When confronted with books like {{book\|Black Rice}}, historians improperly dismissed them by treating known paper records (or whatever the colonists used exactly) as more important than the ground record, despite the fact that the findings may very well be testable and one could probably bring in any number of ordinary archaeologists, paleontologists, experts on ecological succession, etc., to examine the concept of a ground record and help you substantiate or falsify the map of cultivated forests.		D) When confronted with books like {{book\|Black Rice}}, historians improperly dismissed them by treating known paper records (or whatever the colonists used exactly) as more important than the ground record, despite the fact that the findings may very well be testable and one could probably bring in any number of ordinary archaeologists, paleontologists, experts on ecological succession, etc., to examine the concept of a ground record and help you substantiate or falsify the map of cultivated forests.

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 * "The New York Times 1619 Project: A New Origin Story: History as the emanation of race" (2022)
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	** postmodernism itself is incompatible with historical materialism		** postmodernism itself is incompatible with historical materialism
	** Hegel had a method; postmodernism doesn't have a method, much less a dialectical method - well, that's not really why I was trying to invert it. I was starting from the simple concept that a great number of philosophies or fictional narratives are based on real things.		** Hegel had a method; postmodernism doesn't have a method, much less a dialectical method - well, that's not really why I was trying to invert it. I was starting from the simple concept that a great number of philosophies or fictional narratives are based on real things.

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			* SEP lecture: "The ideological foundations of Critical Race Theory" (2021)
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	* American revolution was going forward, Stalin was going backward, so American revolution was not really a Thermidor event		* American revolution was going forward, Stalin was going backward, so American revolution was not really a Thermidor event
	** bot claims only monarchies hold colonies, and capitalist settlements can't be colonies in and of themselves. this seems wrong with respect to things like Israel. to be fair, this was me trying to appropriate popular non-Marxist definitions of "colonialism" back into something coherent and Materialist, not me trying to work with established Marxist definitions.		** bot claims only monarchies hold colonies, and capitalist settlements can't be colonies in and of themselves. this seems wrong with respect to things like Israel. to be fair, this was me trying to appropriate popular non-Marxist definitions of "colonialism" back into something coherent and Materialist, not me trying to work with established Marxist definitions.
			** the 1619 Project trying to delete the American revolution is a different thing from the creation of bourgeois democracy and its effects
	* Stalin actually changed the USSR while bourgeois democracy remains the same - ok, you got me, I'm predisposed to legitimize Stalinism just a little bit.		* Stalin actually changed the USSR while bourgeois democracy remains the same - ok, you got me, I'm predisposed to legitimize Stalinism just a little bit.
	* it objected to me calling Khruschevism Dengism because they wouldn't call it that for ~20 years.		* it objected to me calling Khruschevism Dengism because they wouldn't call it that for ~20 years. - this is just it not knowing about color swatches.
	* European monarchy ended on several different dates - well that's just pedantic, but sure, it's worth remembering.		* European monarchy ended on several different dates - well that's just pedantic, but sure, it's worth remembering.
	** it reminded me about constitutional monarchies. okay. this is like, an artifact of me grouping Toryism and feudal orders (monarchies) and fascism to reflect fascism futilely trying to restore the "glory" of feudal orders. maybe I should word this clearer.		** it reminded me about constitutional monarchies. okay. this is like, an artifact of me grouping Toryism and feudal orders (monarchies) and fascism to reflect fascism futilely trying to restore the "glory" of feudal orders. maybe I should word this clearer.
	* the U.S. stopped importing slaves by 1808, long before the Confederacy - oh my god I actually didn't know the date on that. ok that's a real error		* the U.S. stopped importing slaves by 1808, long before the Confederacy - oh my god I actually didn't know the date on that. ok that's a real error
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	* bot assumed when I called the Black Panthers "one of the best" I meant they were Trotskyist. that's kind of hilarious		* bot assumed when I called the Black Panthers "one of the best" I meant they were Trotskyist. that's kind of hilarious
	** I guess it's implying they weren't one of the best if they didn't have a solid class analysis. I meant as organizers but, okay, I can see that.		** I guess it's implying they weren't one of the best if they didn't have a solid class analysis. I meant as organizers but, okay, I can see that.
	* it's really mad about Stalin. I shouldn't be laughing but gosh it always does this if you don't carefully limit the question		* it's really mad about Stalin. I shouldn't be laughing but gosh it always does this if you don't carefully limit the question.
			** let me put it this way: a {{em\|real}} Trotskyist article talking about Stalin's government killing a lot of Trotskyites is not funny. those stories can be very tragic. the bot bringing up "Stalin's government killed 100,000 Trotskyites" over and over again each time is very funny. because you immediately get the difficult-to-describe feeling it has no idea what those words mean.
	* there was more proletariat in the February revolution than in the American revolution - okay that's fair. February revolution is further along than postmodernism in the color swatches.		* there was more proletariat in the February revolution than in the American revolution - okay that's fair. February revolution is further along than postmodernism in the color swatches.
			** even Menshevism is better than postmodernism and CRT because in the Soviet Union it was connected to the workers' movement - burn.
			*** I guess it didn't like me referring to 'Mensheviks forming soviets' and bourgeois ideologies as similar kinds of Idealism.
	* slavery was connected to capital - now you're giving the 1619 Project ammo that I didn't want to give them. but, sure, maybe there's room to distinguish between Roman slavery and Confederate slavery in the swatch system? the swatch system isn't supposed to be {{em\|anti}}-Marxist.		* slavery was connected to capital - now you're giving the 1619 Project ammo that I didn't want to give them. but, sure, maybe there's room to distinguish between Roman slavery and Confederate slavery in the swatch system? the swatch system isn't supposed to be {{em\|anti}}-Marxist.
			** I'm glad I'm getting to bounce some of this off the bot before I send in my big violet Marxism introduction. it would be a little embarrassing to not have some kind of acknowledgement of things like this.
			* when you strip out 99.9% of postmodernism it's not postmodernism any more - good point.
			* postmodernism and CRT are not Hegel
			** postmodernism itself is incompatible with historical materialism
			** Hegel had a method; postmodernism doesn't have a method, much less a dialectical method - well, that's not really why I was trying to invert it. I was starting from the simple concept that a great number of philosophies or fictional narratives are based on real things.

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	I'll close with this. The Black Panthers were one of the best attempts at a Communist party achieved in the United States (besides the SWP). Now, to make sure they never come back, cops periodically deny court trials to Black people by choking them in the streets. Does it matter if more White people are killed by police than Black people? Imagine a world where it was the 1930s and every time a likely Trotskyite was caught the Soviet police simply knocked the Trotskyite to the ground and killed them. If you ask anybody about the killings, they just say, {{i\|oh, that was just a Trotskyite, not a real Soviet person. That was just a Ukrainian! You know an eighth of them are kulaks.}} Early Trotskyists risked their lives and risked cracking open their entire civilization to be harvested by imperialists for less than that. But today, if Black people get tired of cops shooting Black people because "those were merely Black people", a great number of people don't even care. We casually let our government do things that are worse than Stalin did. And then Trotskyists see people making noise and trying to get people organized, and they say, "this is a counterrevolution by First World intellectuals that don't understand Marxism". Maybe racism isn't the exact word for this, but whatever it's really called, what we let the United States do to people is atrocious. [https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CU%5CKulak.htm]		I'll close with this. The Black Panthers were one of the best attempts at a Communist party achieved in the United States (besides the SWP). Now, to make sure they never come back, cops periodically deny court trials to Black people by choking them in the streets. Does it matter if more White people are killed by police than Black people? Imagine a world where it was the 1930s and every time a likely Trotskyite was caught the Soviet police simply knocked the Trotskyite to the ground and killed them. If you ask anybody about the killings, they just say, {{i\|oh, that was just a Trotskyite, not a real Soviet person. That was just a Ukrainian! You know an eighth of them are kulaks.}} Early Trotskyists risked their lives and risked cracking open their entire civilization to be harvested by imperialists for less than that. But today, if Black people get tired of cops shooting Black people because "those were merely Black people", a great number of people don't even care. We casually let our government do things that are worse than Stalin did. And then Trotskyists see people making noise and trying to get people organized, and they say, "this is a counterrevolution by First World intellectuals that don't understand Marxism". Maybe racism isn't the exact word for this, but whatever it's really called, what we let the United States do to people is atrocious. [https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CU%5CKulak.htm]

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			* American revolution was going forward, Stalin was going backward, so American revolution was not really a Thermidor event
			** bot claims only monarchies hold colonies, and capitalist settlements can't be colonies in and of themselves. this seems wrong with respect to things like Israel. to be fair, this was me trying to appropriate popular non-Marxist definitions of "colonialism" back into something coherent and Materialist, not me trying to work with established Marxist definitions.
			* Stalin actually changed the USSR while bourgeois democracy remains the same - ok, you got me, I'm predisposed to legitimize Stalinism just a little bit.
			* it objected to me calling Khruschevism Dengism because they wouldn't call it that for ~20 years.
			* European monarchy ended on several different dates - well that's just pedantic, but sure, it's worth remembering.
			** it reminded me about constitutional monarchies. okay. this is like, an artifact of me grouping Toryism and feudal orders (monarchies) and fascism to reflect fascism futilely trying to restore the "glory" of feudal orders. maybe I should word this clearer.
			* the U.S. stopped importing slaves by 1808, long before the Confederacy - oh my god I actually didn't know the date on that. ok that's a real error
			* Reconstruction ended in 1877 - I guess I have no excuse for that one other than the 1619 Project melted my brain
			* bot assumed when I called the Black Panthers "one of the best" I meant they were Trotskyist. that's kind of hilarious
			** I guess it's implying they weren't one of the best if they didn't have a solid class analysis. I meant as organizers but, okay, I can see that.
			* it's really mad about Stalin. I shouldn't be laughing but gosh it always does this if you don't carefully limit the question
			* there was more proletariat in the February revolution than in the American revolution - okay that's fair. February revolution is further along than postmodernism in the color swatches.
			* slavery was connected to capital - now you're giving the 1619 Project ammo that I didn't want to give them. but, sure, maybe there's room to distinguish between Roman slavery and Confederate slavery in the swatch system? the swatch system isn't supposed to be {{em\|anti}}-Marxist.

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	I'll close with this. The Black Panthers were one of the best attempts at a Communist party achieved in the United States (besides the SWP). Now, to make sure they never come back, cops periodically deny court trials to Black people by choking them in the streets. Does it matter if more White people are killed by police than Black people? Imagine a world where it was the 1930s and every time a likely Trotskyite was caught the Soviet police simply knocked the Trotskyite to the ground and killed them. If you ask anybody about the killings, they just say, {{i\|oh, that was just a Trotskyite, not a real Soviet person. That was just a Ukrainian! You know an eighth of them are kulaks.}} Early Trotskyists risked their lives and risked cracking open their entire civilization to be harvested by imperialists for less than that. But today, if Black people get tired of cops shooting Black people because "those were merely Black people", a great number of people don't even care. We casually let our government do things that are worse than Stalin did. And then Trotskyists see people making noise and trying to get people organized, and they say, "this is a counterrevolution by First World intellectuals that don't understand Marxism". Maybe racism isn't the exact word for this, but whatever it's really called, what we let the United States do to people is atrocious. [https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CU%5CKulak.htm]		I'll close with this. The Black Panthers were one of the best attempts at a Communist party achieved in the United States (besides the SWP). Now, to make sure they never come back, cops periodically deny court trials to Black people by choking them in the streets. Does it matter if more White people are killed by police than Black people? Imagine a world where it was the 1930s and every time a likely Trotskyite was caught the Soviet police simply knocked the Trotskyite to the ground and killed them. If you ask anybody about the killings, they just say, {{i\|oh, that was just a Trotskyite, not a real Soviet person. That was just a Ukrainian! You know an eighth of them are kulaks.}} Early Trotskyists risked their lives and risked cracking open their entire civilization to be harvested by imperialists for less than that. But today, if Black people get tired of cops shooting Black people because "those were merely Black people", a great number of people don't even care. We casually let our government do things that are worse than Stalin did. And then Trotskyists see people making noise and trying to get people organized, and they say, "this is a counterrevolution by First World intellectuals that don't understand Marxism". Maybe racism isn't the exact word for this, but whatever it's really called, what we let the United States do to people is atrocious. [https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CU%5CKulak.htm]

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	* American revolution was going forward, Stalin was going backward, so American revolution was not really a Thermidor event		* American revolution was going forward, Stalin was going backward, so American revolution was not really a Thermidor event
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