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Reversedragon: proofread
2026-08-21T07:03:03Z
<p>proofread</p>
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Reversedragon
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Reversedragon: unpacking what a molecular Trotskyism is
2026-08-21T07:01:52Z
<p>unpacking what a molecular Trotskyism is</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{li|start=y|I=S2/MX|Q=49,92|Q2=4992}}Non-molecular Trotskyism is over / ({{9k|RD/Q90}}) -> all right, let's unpack what a molecular Trotskyism is. [[Special:PermanentLink/44345|a molecular Marxism]]:<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A) considers itself as a material object among other material objects that it may not be able to control<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">B) includes a fine-grained small-scale theory (molecularized model) of the society covered by the molecular Marxism, appropriate to the stage of development society is going through<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">C) represents historical periods as sequential or parallel material objects with the aid of small-scale models of how they cohere together, such that comprehending situations like Stalinists and Trotskyism becomes easier and more intuitive in that their behavior is comprehensible and their interactions — usually hostile in this case — are easier to understand<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">D) has a sufficiently fine-grained and precise model of history to be able to represent different philosophical factions or different kinds of trajectories of how history develops "impartially" — here, it's more important to "eliminate prejudice" against the {{em|possible outcome}} of revisionism or counterrevolution than it is to "eliminate prejudice" against the possibility of, for instance, Stalin's Marxism or Hoxhaism being right; the idea of prejudice here is aimed at gaps in Materialist reasoning and failures to model reality, not some abstract Ideal of tolerance<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">E) replaces nebulous Idealist models of society with material models of society so that conflicts between different groups of people or different factions become moot (hopefully.) because both groups of people are understanding the actual processes that bring people together and keep society from falling apart through the lens of material models; a molecular Marxism is supposed to be able to moot the borders between Marxism and anarchism, or somehow {{em|solve}} the border between Stalinists and Trotskyism<br/></ins></div></td></tr>
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Reversedragon
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Reversedragon: formatting / proofread
2026-08-21T06:14:24Z
<p>formatting / proofread</p>
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