Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q50,45 - Revision history

Reversedragon: Transgender inner experiences deserve their own autonomous existence

2026-04-07T07:56:44Z

Transgender inner experiences deserve their own autonomous existence

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	== Related ==		== Related ==
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	<li class=~~"field_geo" data~~-~~qid~~="50,42~~" value~~="5042~~" data-dimension="S2">~~I think, therefore I am / The writer cannot be the writer's hallucination / The writer cannot be a proposition inaccurate to reality -> classic, famous proposition used by Descartes as a basic axiom. one good argument against it is that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem no computer or logic book can reason about the actual computer or things outside the computer and certainly be correct. there's always a causal separation between computer, brain, or logic book and reality itself in the sense that one can say physics "is" the separation between objects.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=618}}Transgender inner experiences deserve their own autonomous existence regardless of whether cis people understand that they exist or what the majority thinks / ([[User:RD/9k/Q39,69\|9k]]) -> to me this is a different proposition from Q50,45 because it doesn't specify exactly why transgender people are valid independent of the majority and in particular it does not try to pull a [[EC:9k/RD/Q618-FirstAnarchistManifesto\|Descartes-AynRand-Orwell trick]] of saying that your inner experience and perceptions validate whatever you do or say.

			{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=50,42\|Q2=5042}}I think, therefore I am / The writer cannot be the writer's hallucination / The writer cannot be a proposition inaccurate to reality -> classic, famous proposition used by Descartes as a basic axiom. one good argument against it is that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem no computer or logic book can reason about the actual computer or things outside the computer and certainly be correct. there's always a causal separation between computer, brain, or logic book and reality itself in the sense that one can say physics "is" the separation between objects.

	</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value) / authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> this would be the truth value that is being promoted here.		</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value) / authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> this would be the truth value that is being promoted here.

Reversedragon: Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault)

2026-04-06T00:06:57Z

Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault)

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	my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.		my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q39,65\|9k]]) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)

Reversedragon: Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault)

2026-04-05T21:42:06Z

Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault)

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}I think therefore I'm trans / Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) {{YouTube\|6v54r-wB_rE}} -> there are so many things wrong with this that my main remark is, "is this... a new set of truth values?" that's almost what it looks like. 'individual self-expression that is not harmful', or something like that. 'authentic self-expression that is not harmful'. I don't know what the opposite or opposites would be.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}I think therefore I'm trans / Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) {{YouTube\|6v54r-wB_rE}} -> there are so many things wrong with this that my main remark is, "is this... a new set of truth values?" that's almost what it looks like. 'individual self-expression that is not harmful', or something like that. 'authentic self-expression that is not harmful'. I don't know what the opposite or opposites would be.<br/>
	my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.		my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)

Reversedragon: Foucauldianism / page title

2026-04-05T20:46:35Z

Foucauldianism / page title

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	</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value) / authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> this would be the truth value that is being promoted here.		</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value) / authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> this would be the truth value that is being promoted here.
	</li><li class="field_nations" value="575" data-dimension="S">does not promote freedom (truth value) / unique self-expression that is harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> according to blue and charcoal anarchists this is the truth value of genuine allegiance to either Liberal-republicanism or Communism.		</li><li class="field_nations" value="575" data-dimension="S">does not promote freedom (truth value) / unique self-expression that is harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> according to blue and charcoal anarchists this is the truth value of genuine allegiance to either Liberal-republicanism or Communism.

			{{li\|I=Z1/ES\|Q=618}}Foucauldianism -> this is why I thought of {{book\|Chouette}}. it's this interplay between disability or in this case identity and The State, and this assertion that official institutions or officialized chunks of industry are insufficient for supporting disabilities compared with the activity of individuals and Filaments of individuals to organize into new countable cultures that are effectively separate new "countries" or "governments".<br/>
			the first second you look at queer theory you go "what a sobering realization" and then the more you think about it for at least a minute the weirder and weirder it gets until you are looking back at it going "what's even going on here?". there's some kind of nationogenesis going on. there's some kind of process going on here where people think they are being ejected from "The State" but they're actually being ejected from countable cultures and forming a new countable culture which must contain rules and norms to protect itself. this is why the Trotskyite conspiracy doesn't prove anarchism, and why it instead supports Trotskyists being a countable culture that intends to create a countably-separate workers' state.

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			* LGBT / queer theory
			* A / anti-normative queer theory
			* ES / Foucauldianism

	* (~~none~~)		== Full title for bookmarks (optional) ==
			<pre>[9k] I think therefore I'm trans - Q50,45 - next nine thousand ; Trans people think therefore transgender people are ; authentic self-expression that is not harmful</pre>

Reversedragon: authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value)

2026-04-05T19:57:55Z

authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value)

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	<li class="field_geo" data-qid="50,42" value="5042" data-dimension="S2">I think, therefore I am / The writer cannot be the writer's hallucination / The writer cannot be a proposition inaccurate to reality -> classic, famous proposition used by Descartes as a basic axiom. one good argument against it is that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem no computer or logic book can reason about the actual computer or things outside the computer and certainly be correct. there's always a causal separation between computer, brain, or logic book and reality itself in the sense that one can say physics "is" the separation between objects.		<li class="field_geo" data-qid="50,42" value="5042" data-dimension="S2">I think, therefore I am / The writer cannot be the writer's hallucination / The writer cannot be a proposition inaccurate to reality -> classic, famous proposition used by Descartes as a basic axiom. one good argument against it is that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem no computer or logic book can reason about the actual computer or things outside the computer and certainly be correct. there's always a causal separation between computer, brain, or logic book and reality itself in the sense that one can say physics "is" the separation between objects.

			</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value) / authentic self-expression that is not harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> this would be the truth value that is being promoted here.
			</li><li class="field_nations" value="575" data-dimension="S">does not promote freedom (truth value) / unique self-expression that is harmful (truth value) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q530\|9k]]) -> according to blue and charcoal anarchists this is the truth value of genuine allegiance to either Liberal-republicanism or Communism.

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Reversedragon: links

2026-04-05T19:49:46Z

links

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045\|h4 = I think therefore I'm trans }} / Transgender people think therefore transgender people are -> this is the crux of my problem with current theories on gender identity. this Cartesian construction was overturned for crusty old White men within their own groups' philosophers so it seems strange we should be using it for anyone else.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045\|h4 = [[E:I think therefore I'm trans\|I think therefore I'm trans]] }} / [[E:Transgender people think therefore transgender people are\|Transgender people think therefore transgender people are]] / [[E:Trans people think therefore trans people are\|Trans people think therefore trans people are]] -> this is the crux of my problem with current theories on gender identity. this Cartesian construction was overturned for crusty old White men within their own groups' philosophers so it seems strange we should be using it for anyone else.<br/>
	"I think, therefore I am" + gender identity = this.		"I think, therefore I am" + gender identity = this.

Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q5045 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q50,45: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-04-05T19:44:22Z

Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q5045 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q50,45: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true

2026-04-05T10:34:16Z

Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true

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Reversedragon: I think, therefore I am

2026-04-05T08:38:02Z

I think, therefore I am

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	<li class="field_exstruct~~" data-qid~~="50,45~~" value~~="5045~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S2">~~Transgender people think therefore transgender people are -> this is the crux of my problem with current theories on gender identity. this Cartesian construction was overturned for crusty old White men within their own philosophers~~' groups~~ so it seems strange we should be using it for anyone else.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|class=field_exstruct field_LGBT\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045\|h4 = I think therefore I'm trans }} / Transgender people think therefore transgender people are -> this is the crux of my problem with current theories on gender identity. this Cartesian construction was overturned for crusty old White men within their own groups' philosophers so it seems strange we should be using it for anyone else.<br/>
	"I think, therefore I am" + gender identity = this.		"I think, therefore I am" + gender identity = this.

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			<li class="field_geo" data-qid="50,42" value="5042" data-dimension="S2">I think, therefore I am / The writer cannot be the writer's hallucination / The writer cannot be a proposition inaccurate to reality -> classic, famous proposition used by Descartes as a basic axiom. one good argument against it is that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem no computer or logic book can reason about the actual computer or things outside the computer and certainly be correct. there's always a causal separation between computer, brain, or logic book and reality itself in the sense that one can say physics "is" the separation between objects.

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Reversedragon: copy markup from 9k/Q290

2026-04-05T08:31:02Z

copy markup from 9k/Q290

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<li class="field_exstruct" data-qid="50,45" value="5045" data-dimension="S2">Transgender people think therefore transgender people are -> this is the crux of my problem with current theories on gender identity. this Cartesian construction was overturned for crusty old White men within their own philosophers' groups so it seems strange we should be using it for anyone else.<br/>
"I think, therefore I am" + gender identity = this.

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	my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.		my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q39,65\|9k]]) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}I think therefore I'm trans / Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) {{YouTube\|6v54r-wB_rE}} -> there are so many things wrong with this that my main remark is, "is this... a new set of truth values?" that's almost what it looks like. 'individual self-expression that is not harmful', or something like that. 'authentic self-expression that is not harmful'. I don't know what the opposite or opposites would be.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=50,45\|Q2=5045}}I think therefore I'm trans / Appealing to an authority justifies that authority's legitimacy, therefore people choosing what is right for themselves is better and unless it is harmful it is true (anti-normative queer theory) {{YouTube\|6v54r-wB_rE}} -> there are so many things wrong with this that my main remark is, "is this... a new set of truth values?" that's almost what it looks like. 'individual self-expression that is not harmful', or something like that. 'authentic self-expression that is not harmful'. I don't know what the opposite or opposites would be.<br/>
	my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.		my second remark... have you read {{book\|Chouette}}? it's not exactly about gender but it is about the idea of what is harmful. the concept of what is harmful doesn't come from individuals having freedom and having freedom in parallel, it comes from collisions between individuals and society in which the collision itself contains all the harm coming down in both directions and it's actually really hard to determine what is harmful or isn't. purely by rooting itself in real anecdotes the book ended up being superbly dialectical.

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Sexuality is a discursive production (Foucault) -> what Chouette is to owl-autism this is to real-world sexualities

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Waiting for a disclosure of meaning gives the one who discloses it power / Appealing to authority for legitimacy always reifies the legitimacy of that authority more than of the ones who appeal (anti-normative queer theory)