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Reversedragon: Cuba

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Cuba

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	~~<ol class~~=~~"hue clean">~~		{{li\|I=Z2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES\|Q=618}}Sanctions can be anarchic / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q1961\|9k]])

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|tradition=MX onto ES\|Q=50,54\|Q2=5054}}Anarchy can be anhierarchy / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q1961\|9k]]) -> Cuba is one of the best examples. anarchists go around trying to say that the negative effects that occur during Government or a locus of conjoined patriots [[E:Correlation is not causation\|happen {{em\|because of}} Government]], but what they don't realize is that there can be any number of cases where similar negative effects occur from decentralized processes in which people come together as equals and nobody rules anybody else, all the un-governed equals in the process who fairly agreed with each other to enter the process as a matter of peace and friendship just spontaneously all collect onto a decision that's really terrible, and somewhat literally a bunch of equal people simply decide to be more equal than other groups of equals.<br/>
			something can totally, {{em\|almost indisputably}} be an {{a\|anarchy\|E=stationary combination of heterogeneous elements}} and yet do horrible things to other groups of people on the level of Bellegarrigue's concept of "civil war" (warring states periods, violent global empire).

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Reversedragon: Composite proposition

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Composite proposition

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	{{li\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy (feudal orders) / Anarchy is not a warring states period -> this is a definition and an Idealist statement, but by itself I can't falsify it so go on		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy (feudal orders) / Anarchy is not a warring states period (Bellegarrigue) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q618-FirstAnarchistManifesto\|9k]]) -> this is a definition and an Idealist statement, but by itself I can't falsify it so go on

	{{li\|I=F2/A\|Q=50,54\|Q2=5054}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy / Anarchy cannot be anhierarchy -> anarchists love to say this is true but in practice it just isn't true at all because all it takes is a large number of people coming together in friendship and nominal 'equality' and [[E:Rhizome (schizoanalysis)\|headless leaderlessness]] who are materially practicing anhierarchy for that to become for all intents and purposes part of the definition of anarchy.		{{li\|I=F2/A\|Q=50,54\|Q2=5054}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy / Anarchy cannot be anhierarchy / ([[Special:PermanentLink/41892\|9k]]) -> anarchists love to say this is true but [[EC:9k/RD/Q1961\|in practice]] it just isn't true at all because all it takes is a large number of people coming together in friendship and nominal 'equality' and [[E:Rhizome (schizoanalysis)\|headless leaderlessness]] who are materially practicing anhierarchy for that to become for all intents and purposes part of the definition of anarchy.

	{{li\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Who says government says warring states period -> this is a tough one because it's true in some ways and false in other ways.		{{li\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Who says government says warring states period (Bellegarrigue) / ([[Ontology_talk:9k/RD/Q618-FirstAnarchistManifesto\|9k]]) -> this is a tough one because it's true in some ways and false in other ways.

	~~</li><~~li ~~class~~=~~"field_mdem" data-~~tradition="MX onto A~~" value~~="5054~~" data-dimension="S2">~~Anarchies and hierarchy are not mutually exclusive -> anarchists are going to hate this one but the further you look into it the more it would seem to be true. you almost can't even <em>define</em> an anarchy as requiring the absence of hierarchy because that's simply not what most anarchies are. in most cases an anarchy is purely a stationary or back-and-forth combination of heterogeneous elements. that does not preclude spatial slot hierarchies over whether people are able to make it into any of the contained elements, or the overall system.		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX onto A\|Q=50,54\|Q2=5054}}Anarchies and hierarchy are not mutually exclusive / ([[Special:PermanentLink/41853\|9k]]) -> anarchists are going to hate this one but the further you look into it the more it would seem to be true. you almost can't even <em>define</em> an anarchy as requiring the absence of hierarchy because that's simply not what most anarchies are. in most cases an anarchy is purely a stationary or back-and-forth combination of heterogeneous elements. that does not preclude spatial slot hierarchies over whether people are able to make it into any of the contained elements, or the overall system.

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/A\|Q=50,54\|Q2=5054}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy / Anarchy is not a warring states period / Anarchy is not civil war or chaos (Bellegarrigue) / Anarchy is the absence of a warring states period, a civil war that occurs when a country breaks into pieces, a locus of conjoined patriots or retainers forming a government to protect themselves, or in general, of a collection of free-floating populations in an unregulated and ungoverned division of people into multiple hostile competing or warring populations that may be termed "anhierarchy"; because anarchy has gotten rid of anhierarchy, when anarchy exists it will never in and of itself produce anhierarchy / Anarchy is the absence of ... anhierarchy; this is to imply that if international war exists or a Cold War exists anarchy does not exist; this is to imply that if Trotskyism existed in the form of approximately 100-150 countries linked together it would be inherently closer to anarchy than a sea of Liberal-republican states or a collection of 50 unconnected mainstream Marxist-Leninist republics just because it would not have hard borders; this is to imply that freedom and anarchy are inherently opposed to each other, because if any country such as North Korea or Cuba tries to claim freedom for an entire nationality against the onslaughts of other nationalities, thereby dividing country populations from each other, then it cannot contribute to creating anarchy; this is to imply that Trotsky creating a Trotskyist party in a particular country or small cluster of approximately 10 countries is an incorrect path to anarchy but simultaneously that achieving Trotskyism in 150 countries at once {{em\|without}} first creating a Trotskyist party over any smaller area with particular spatial borders or extent would be an acceptable step toward anarchy, or would be much closer to acceptable / Anarchy is not creating government; creating a locus of conjoined patriots with a border implies creating a local or global warring states period {{em\|inasmuch as}} it {{em\|does not imply}} making progress toward anarchy (prescriptive slant beneath same statement; anarchism) / Freedom is not powers and principalities; cosmic Good (God) lies beyond earthly kingdoms and formal governments (Christianity) / Freedom is not competition; cosmic Good ([[E:nirvana\|the end of individual suffering]], the collective) lies beyond earthly warring states periods and empires, and the desires and attachments of kings or nobles (Buddhism)

			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|Q=50,54-MX\|Q2=5054/MX}}Anarchy can be anhierarchy / Anarchies and hierarchy are not mutually exclusive / If anarchy is defined as the end of hostile divisions between individuals or populations, then each time it is formed there will {{em\|necessarily}} be new populational divisions and loci of conjoined patriots formed; this must be the case because populations are [[E:quanta (physics)\|quantized]] processes consisting of countable physical particles (people) and countable physical interactions (communications) without any provable method of influencing each other which does not ultimately involve physical signals such as light, sound waves, or solid objects (letters, pigeons, etc) — it is physically impossible to join more people onto a population without bringing onto that population the presence or absence of connections existing within each of those new people and thus forming either a further outer extent or the physical boundary of the population; this is to imply that any anarchy or named anarchism which is formed in the real world will have a physical border and that it will necessarily have groups of people who are its allies and people who are not currently its allies; this is {{em\|not}} to imply in and of itself that any real-world anarchy or anarchism will necessarily contain a formal government or will truly have enemies; this is to imply that any real-world anarchy or anarchism {{em\|necessarily has the potential}} to fight with other populations at its boundary but not to imply that it is destined to enter said fights

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{{li|I=S2/A|Q=618|Q2=618}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy (feudal orders) / Anarchy is not a warring states period -> this is a definition and an Idealist statement, but by itself I can't falsify it so go on

{{li|I=F2/A|Q=50,54|Q2=5054}}Anarchy is not anhierarchy / Anarchy cannot be anhierarchy -> anarchists love to say this is true but in practice it just isn't true at all because all it takes is a large number of people coming together in friendship and nominal 'equality' and [[E:Rhizome (schizoanalysis)|headless leaderlessness]] who are materially practicing anhierarchy for that to become for all intents and purposes part of the definition of anarchy.

{{li|I=S2/A|Q=618|Q2=618}}Who says government says warring states period -> this is a tough one because it's true in some ways and false in other ways.

</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto A" value="5054" data-dimension="S2">Anarchies and hierarchy are not mutually exclusive -> anarchists are going to hate this one but the further you look into it the more it would seem to be true. you almost can't even <em>define</em> an anarchy as requiring the absence of hierarchy because that's simply not what most anarchies are. in most cases an anarchy is purely a stationary or back-and-forth combination of heterogeneous elements. that does not preclude spatial slot hierarchies over whether people are able to make it into any of the contained elements, or the overall system.

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