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Gay and Stalinist are incompatible identities

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	<li ~~class~~=~~"field_ML" data-qid~~="53,83~~" value~~="5383~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S2">~~Gay movements are against the proletariat ({{TTS\|tts=Soviet Union\|USSR}}) / Gay movements are against the stability of the workers' state {{YouTube\|BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> the core of this claim is in LGBT+ people forming {{em\|movements}}, although when you see it it's not usually phrased that way. the Soviet Union didn't necessarily hate individual gay people, a better word would be "indifferent". but the thing it wasn't ready for was for people to just spontaneously group up for their own interests in a way which had nothing to do with the development of the workers' state — basically, a movement for an identity, instead of people integrating into other more official initiatives. this seems to be the source of a great split between Communism and Anarchism. anarchism loves spontaneous movements for identities and thinks of it as the more of them the better because they will inherently unite with each other. Communism thinks they are inherently suspicious in that they naturally fight against everything around them including each other, although they can sometimes be benign. in certain ways, the Communist position has surprisingly held up, at least up to the moment of outlawing homosexuality. but everyone has been so afraid to admit it's true there has effectively been this gigantic surge in thinly-veiled anarchisms just because this is apparently the more natural-and-inherent-but-wrong way for humans to conceptualize forming society, that it's always "my own friends against my own enemies" or "[[E:united nonviolence of shared oppressions\|united nonviolence of shared oppressions]]" and no greater structure or pattern matters.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ML\|tradition=\|Q=53,83\|Q2=5383\|h4= Gay movements are against the proletariat }} ({{TTS\|tts=Soviet Union\|USSR}}) / Gay movements are against the stability of the workers' state {{YouTube\|BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> the core of this claim is in LGBT+ people forming {{em\|movements}}, although when you see it it's not usually phrased that way. the Soviet Union didn't necessarily hate individual gay people, a better word would be "indifferent". but the thing it wasn't ready for was for people to just spontaneously group up for their own interests in a way which had nothing to do with the development of the workers' state — basically, a movement for an identity, instead of people integrating into other more official initiatives. this seems to be the source of a great split between Communism and Anarchism. anarchism loves spontaneous movements for identities and thinks of it as the more of them the better because they will inherently unite with each other. Communism thinks they are inherently suspicious in that they naturally fight against everything around them including each other, although they can sometimes be benign. in certain ways, the Communist position has surprisingly held up, at least up to the moment of outlawing homosexuality. but everyone has been so afraid to admit it's true there has effectively been this gigantic surge in thinly-veiled anarchisms just because this is apparently the more natural-and-inherent-but-wrong way for humans to conceptualize forming society, that it's always "my own friends against my own enemies" or "[[E:united nonviolence of shared oppressions\|united nonviolence of shared oppressions]]" and no greater structure or pattern matters.

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	~~== Related themes ==~~

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	== Swapping historical materialism for morality ==		== Swapping historical materialism for morality ==

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	=== Freud ===		=== Freud ===

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	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,80" value="5380" data-dimension="S">seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,80" value="5380" data-dimension="S">seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis
	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,84" value="5384" data-dimension="F2">Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|9k]])		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,84" value="5384" data-dimension="F2">Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|9k]])

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			== Identity analysis ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/LGBT\|tradition=ES, HM, A\|Q=53,77\|Q2=5377}}Gay and Stalinist are incompatible identities -> you could say this in two directions: gay is not allowed if you are a Stalin-follower, or Communism is not allowed if you're gay. ok, there's actually a third one too: gay and state capitalism are incompatible identities, which means that state capitalism disallows gay and gay disallows state capitalism disallows Bolshevism.<br/>
			Gay and Stalinist are incompatible identities + Anticommunism belies Habermas = ????

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			== Related themes ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=618\|h4= Anticommunism belies Habermas }} / Anticommunism is [[E:does not promote freedom (truth value)\|Prejudice]] / The continued presence of anticommunism in the world shows that the world still contains some unknown kind of bigotry and all critical-theorists and anarchists will continue to be [[E:Society is the progression of moral consciousness\|bigots]] as opposed to [[E:moral vanguard theory\|progressives]] until they figure out what it is

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Reversedragon: re-sort

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	<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,80" value="~~5380~~" data-dimension="S">~~seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis~~		<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,82" value="5382" data-dimension="S2">We know gay marriage is a fact because Jungian repression {{YouTube\|BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> again it's the line of argument that's bad.
	~~</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,84" value="5384" data~~-~~dimension="F2"~~>~~Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|9k]])~~

	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,82" value="~~5382~~" data-dimension="S2">~~We know gay marriage is a fact because Jungian~~ repression ~~{{YouTube~~\|~~BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> again it's the line of argument that's bad.~~		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,80" value="5380" data-dimension="S">seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis
			</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa onto ML" data-qid="53,84" value="5384" data-dimension="F2">Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67\|9k]])

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			* Aa onto ML

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{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=Gay movements against proletariat|User=RD|E=Q53,83|Contents=y}}
== Main entry ==
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<li class="field_ML" data-qid="53,83" value="5383" data-dimension="S2">Gay movements are against the proletariat ({{TTS|tts=Soviet Union|USSR}}) / Gay movements are against the stability of the workers' state {{YouTube|BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> the core of this claim is in LGBT+ people forming {{em|movements}}, although when you see it it's not usually phrased that way. the Soviet Union didn't necessarily hate individual gay people, a better word would be "indifferent". but the thing it wasn't ready for was for people to just spontaneously group up for their own interests in a way which had nothing to do with the development of the workers' state — basically, a movement for an identity, instead of people integrating into other more official initiatives. this seems to be the source of a great split between Communism and Anarchism. anarchism loves spontaneous movements for identities and thinks of it as the more of them the better because they will inherently unite with each other. Communism thinks they are inherently suspicious in that they naturally fight against everything around them including each other, although they can sometimes be benign. in certain ways, the Communist position has surprisingly held up, at least up to the moment of outlawing homosexuality. but everyone has been so afraid to admit it's true there has effectively been this gigantic surge in thinly-veiled anarchisms just because this is apparently the more natural-and-inherent-but-wrong way for humans to conceptualize forming society, that it's always "my own friends against my own enemies" or "[[E:united nonviolence of shared oppressions|united nonviolence of shared oppressions]]" and no greater structure or pattern matters.

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== Related themes ==

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== Swapping historical materialism for morality ==

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<li data-qid="36,67" value="3667" class="field_mdem" data-dimension="S2">Nothing should be done unless everyone thinks it wonderful / Do not what others would not "unto" / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67|9k]])

</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="ES" value="618" data-dimension="S2">where there is oppression there will be resistance; where dignity and justice are denied they will be sought (incomplete thought) / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67|9k]])

</li><li class="field_anarchy" data-qid="32,95" value="3295" data-dimension="S2">China detained BL writers / ([[User:RD/9k/Q32,95|9k]])
</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,81" value="5381" data-dimension="F2">Outlawing gay marriage is obviously wrong -> the only problem with this statement is "obviously".

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=== Freud ===

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<li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,80" value="5380" data-dimension="S">seeing Bolshevism through psychoanalysis / seeing workers' states through psychoanalysis
</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,84" value="5384" data-dimension="F2">Freudian repression can be used to identify Marxist errors / ([[User:RD/9k/Q36,67|9k]])

</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Aa" data-qid="53,82" value="5382" data-dimension="S2">We know gay marriage is a fact because Jungian repression {{YouTube|BE7UPO6GGK4}} -> again it's the line of argument that's bad.

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== Ideology codes ==

* ML

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