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Reversedragon: N is an anarchist - move other claims to "consumerism in Pokémon", as this entry is mostly about conceptions of ethics

2026-05-11T05:47:52Z

N is an anarchist - move other claims to "consumerism in Pokémon", as this entry is mostly about conceptions of ethics

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/HAS\|tradition=HAS onto Fy\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics -> arguably true. whether I like it or not, that's probably an intentional theme in the text.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/HAS\|tradition=HAS onto Fy\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics -> arguably true. whether I like it or not, that's probably an intentional theme in the text.
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	{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain (counter-claim) / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}}) -> in the manga, Cobalion was upset about the lack or presence of this. to be fair though [[EC:9k/RD/Q11,6,38\|it is the Pokémon of justice]], so that vaguely {{em\|is}} its "job".		{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain (counter-claim) / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}}) -> in the manga, Cobalion was upset about the lack or presence of this. to be fair though [[EC:9k/RD/Q11,6,38\|it is the Pokémon of justice]], so that vaguely {{em\|is}} its "job".

	~~</li></ol>~~		{{li\|I=S2/MX/A\|Q=618}}N is an anarchist ({{game\|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist ([[E:anarchism to restore Native American tribe\|tribal anarchisms]]; {{TTS\|MX\|meta-Marxism}} onto {{TTS\|Fy\|fiction}}) / N is a [[E:Western-Marxism\|strawberry]] [[E:Fisherism is actually an anarchism\|anarchist]] ([[E:Fisherism (Western-Marxism)\|Fisherism]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q54,71 consumerism in Pokémon\|9k]]) -> this is a more complicated claim than it sounds. the claim is that because N talks about Pokémon being raised in society as something that programs them to think and want certain things rather than what they "really" want, he is saying that society is unnatural while Free Will can only exist uncorrupted outside society. unpacking how that relates to anarchism takes longer, but there are various ways to argue that depending on what anarchism you're aiming at.
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	{{li~~\|start=y~~\|I=S2/MX/A\|Q=618}}N is an anarchist ({{game\|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist ([[E:anarchism to restore Native American tribe\|tribal anarchisms]]; {{TTS\|MX\|meta-Marxism}} onto {{TTS\|Fy\|fiction}}) / N is a [[E:Western-Marxism\|strawberry]] [[E:Fisherism is actually an anarchism\|anarchist]] ([[E:Fisherism (Western-Marxism)\|Fisherism]]) [~~https~~://~~bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N_Harmonia~~] -> this is a more complicated claim than it sounds. the claim is that because N talks about Pokémon being raised in society as something that programs them to think and want certain things rather than what they "really" want, he is saying that society is unnatural while Free Will can only exist uncorrupted outside society. unpacking how that relates to anarchism takes longer, but there are various ways to argue that depending on what anarchism you're aiming at~~.<br/>~~
	~~case of: {{a\|assertion someone is an anarchist\|E=Q32,99\|sense=Q32,99/SB}}.~~

	{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618}}N is a Western Marxist ({{game\|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is the fantasy equivalent of a Western-Marxist — in an allegorical sense — because N looked at the system of humans recruiting Pokémon into Pokémon teams (corporations) to level them up and evolve them (gain "job experience" or social capital) at the expense of other Pokémon (thousands of people who don't get hired), and questioned why Pokémon (workers) should allow trainers (bourgeoisie) to decide everything that they value and believe (what industry they belong to, what they produce, whether the way a corporation operates is ethical) -> I am pretty burned out on following Pokémon "unironically", but this right here is the only kind of thing that can bring me back to Pokémon as a "plot thread" that I can't help tugging on that is absolutely gripping

	{{li\|I=S2/DFy/ML\|Q=618}}Pokémon trainers are a manifestation of bourgeois ideology -> it sounds like I'm {{censor\|\|shit\|posting}} but I do mean it literally if not {{em\|in a serious tone}}. Pokémon live out in nature. trainers recruit Pokémon and promise them the opportunity to level up and evolve. it's all about teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. though in the real world, teamwork is one big excuse to exterminate other groups of people, whether it's the 13 United States colonies or the United States teaming up with Israel or First World countries teaming up to crush the Second World it's always justified as good {{em\|because there was teamwork}}. teamwork is not inherently inclusive. there's so much lip service especially in works about ""democracy"" to saying that it's easy to include everyone just because there were a few groups of people that came together, but it never guarantees society will become fully inclusive versus a matter of teamwork attacking somebody else. never trust teamwork.

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Reversedragon: RPG monsters as ecological encounters

2026-05-11T02:10:45Z

RPG monsters as ecological encounters

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics

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			== {{game\|Pokémon}} and nature ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= RPG monsters as ecological encounters }} / RPG monsters as ecological beings -> the best way to describe Pidgey, Caterpie, and the early routes of a Pokémon game. RPG monsters are not "enemies" that are out to get you, they are basically an annoying bug that got in your face and you had to wave away or a bird you were worried would get stuck under your car but that got out of the way exactly at the last minute. this is to say, they exist in conflict with humans and each other but only inasmuch as they are busily looking for the next scrap of food and not really paying attention to others that might walk across their path in the middle of things.<br/>
			this + Economies are ecosystems of humans = ???

			{{li\|I=S2/ES/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Science must not be a holistic worldview containing complete large-scale models and is only allowed to exist as individual narrow propositions / {{nickel\|YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|rem-YT=NQjg0YM9UFw}} -> I had to think about it a whole lot after listening to these videos over and over but I think I finally cracked the relationship between science and animism within Pokémon and across the Pokémon fandom.<br/>
			you look carefully at these videos and you chop them up into little slices and think about them. and here's what you see. the videos are actually {{em\|made}} of tiny slices to begin with. the proposition that "Pokémon can be feral" is added to the story independently of all other propositions, as is "Pokémon can be predators or prey", "Legendary Pokémon personify natural disasters", and "Pokémon do not mind being in Poké Balls". it's all just kind of an arbitrary stew of miscellaneous chopped vegetables that looks a single color from a distance.<br/>
			from there we can see how science is actually used within Pokémon plots and lore. science is not actually used to make anything more coherent, because it isn't the underlying logic of how anything in the Pokémon world is put together. (which makes the presence of scientists in the Pokémon world a little baffling when you think about it.) Pokémon does not aim to be "plausible" or "realistic", and so does not make use of Materialism toward such an end. nonetheless, the series is actually quite preoccupied with appearing "natural" and "ecological", and superficially creating Pokémon designs to be absolutely, crushingly "realistic" only and solely in the sense of being ecological. in the Pokémon world the overall concepts of "physics", "nature", and "the material world" are fundamentally different from what those words mean in the real world. (which, if I can stop for another tangent, is actually one of the most cool and interesting things about Pokémon; having a series that wholly redefines what physics and material reality are from beginning to end at least {{em\|feels}} like no small feat.)
			Pokémon is obsessed with "nature" and "ecology" enough that while there has to be a car Pokémon it can't be designed like a car is designed, and yet it constructs "nature" almost entirely out of Idealism and the careful Idealist placement of individual scientific propositions onto a pile rather than scientific propositions becoming part of the world emergently [[E:upreductionism (physics, meta-Marxism)\|based on smaller-scale rules]]. some of this is by necessity: when individual Pokémon are separately designed as Gameboy sprites it's hard to think in detail about the complex relationships between biology, ecology, evolution, and the universe, so casually throwing in individual scientific propositions between the Pokémon after the fact is simply a more practical way to do things. but that isn't really the full story of why it's done that way. I think that even if the disconnected designs of individual Pokémon somehow weren't a factor and like, I don't know, the environments of Pokémon gen 3 or 4 had been carefully put together the way you'd put together the parts of a novel, this "casual proposition pile" approach is still the way it would be done and still exactly the way the final thing would look. I am still trying to figure out exactly what "nature" means to {{game\|Pokémon}} and exactly why it is things are put together this way.

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	== {{game\|Pokémon}} and adventure narratives ==		== {{game\|Pokémon}} and adventure narratives ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/ES/A\|Q=618}}Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / ({{9k\|RD/Q3300}})		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/ES/A\|Q=618}}Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / ({{9k\|RD/Q3300}})
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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}golden rule / Treat others as yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}golden rule / Treat others as yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}silver rule (golden inverse) ~~/ We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us~~ / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you (golden inverse) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}silver rule (golden inverse) / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you (golden inverse) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bronze rule (golden converse) / Others' actions for yourself / Treat yourself as you would treat others / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bronze rule (golden converse) / Others' actions for yourself / Treat yourself as you would treat others / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

Reversedragon: golden rule

2026-05-07T13:26:41Z

golden rule

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

			{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}} ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}})

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}golden rule / Treat others as yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}silver rule (golden inverse) / We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you (golden inverse) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bronze rule (golden converse) / Others' actions for yourself / Treat yourself as you would treat others / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}platinum rule / Treat others as they would like to be treated / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

	{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>
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	=== Nickels ===		=== Nickels ===
	* {{nickel/silent}} [[E:Q54,96/nickel\|Q54,96/nickel]]		* {{nickel/silent}} [[E:Q54,96/nickel\|Q54,96/nickel]]
	* {{nickel/silent}} [[~~User~~:~~NickelBank~~/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|~~NickelBank/~~YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8]]		* {{nickel/silent}} [[Research talk:5c/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8]]

Reversedragon: N is an anarchist

2026-05-07T12:08:45Z

N is an anarchist

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	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / ethics in {{game\|Pokémon}} (motif)		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / ethics in {{game\|Pokémon}} (motif)

	{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (Kant~~) (counter-claim~~) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}}) -> in the manga, Cobalion was upset about the lack or presence of this. to be fair though [[EC:9k/RD/Q11,6,38\|it is the Pokémon of justice]], so that vaguely {{em\|is}} its "job".		{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}}evil beings only using other living things for their own gain (counter-claim) / ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}}) -> in the manga, Cobalion was upset about the lack or presence of this. to be fair though [[EC:9k/RD/Q11,6,38\|it is the Pokémon of justice]], so that vaguely {{em\|is}} its "job".

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/A\|Q=618}}N is an anarchist ({{game\|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is a charcoal anarchist ([[E:anarchism to restore Native American tribe\|tribal anarchisms]]; {{TTS\|MX\|meta-Marxism}} onto {{TTS\|Fy\|fiction}}) / N is a [[E:Western-Marxism\|strawberry]] [[E:Fisherism is actually an anarchism\|anarchist]] ([[E:Fisherism (Western-Marxism)\|Fisherism]]) [https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N_Harmonia] -> this is a more complicated claim than it sounds. the claim is that because N talks about Pokémon being raised in society as something that programs them to think and want certain things rather than what they "really" want, he is saying that society is unnatural while Free Will can only exist uncorrupted outside society. unpacking how that relates to anarchism takes longer, but there are various ways to argue that depending on what anarchism you're aiming at.<br/>
			case of: {{a\|assertion someone is an anarchist\|E=Q32,99\|sense=Q32,99/SB}}.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX/W\|Q=618}}N is a Western Marxist ({{game\|Pokémon}}) / N Harmonia is the fantasy equivalent of a Western-Marxist — in an allegorical sense — because N looked at the system of humans recruiting Pokémon into Pokémon teams (corporations) to level them up and evolve them (gain "job experience" or social capital) at the expense of other Pokémon (thousands of people who don't get hired), and questioned why Pokémon (workers) should allow trainers (bourgeoisie) to decide everything that they value and believe (what industry they belong to, what they produce, whether the way a corporation operates is ethical) -> I am pretty burned out on following Pokémon "unironically", but this right here is the only kind of thing that can bring me back to Pokémon as a "plot thread" that I can't help tugging on that is absolutely gripping

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy/ML\|Q=618}}Pokémon trainers are a manifestation of bourgeois ideology -> it sounds like I'm {{censor\|\|shit\|posting}} but I do mean it literally if not {{em\|in a serious tone}}. Pokémon live out in nature. trainers recruit Pokémon and promise them the opportunity to level up and evolve. it's all about teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. though in the real world, teamwork is one big excuse to exterminate other groups of people, whether it's the 13 United States colonies or the United States teaming up with Israel or First World countries teaming up to crush the Second World it's always justified as good {{em\|because there was teamwork}}. teamwork is not inherently inclusive. there's so much lip service especially in works about ""democracy"" to saying that it's easy to include everyone just because there were a few groups of people that came together, but it never guarantees society will become fully inclusive versus a matter of teamwork attacking somebody else. never trust teamwork.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666\|h4= Individual choices mold society }} / [[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX/ES/A\|Q=618}}Anarchists won't listen to any proposition which isn't phrased in terms of ethics / Anarchists won't listen to any proposition about reality which isn't phrased in terms of individual ethics / ({{9k\|RD/Q3300}})

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666\|h4= Individual choices mold society }} / [[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]

	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

Reversedragon: evil beings only using other living things for their own gain

2026-05-07T11:00:37Z

evil beings only using other living things for their own gain

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Reversedragon: ethics adventure

2026-05-07T10:19:45Z

ethics adventure

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666}}[[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666\|h4= Individual choices mold society }} / [[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]

	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

	{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=~~618~~\|Q2=~~618~~\|h4 = ethics adventure }} ->~~<br/>~~		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>
	I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure, either as an actual counterpart within Buddhism or a secular work which is somewhat making fun of Buddhism but is still in practice within the general field of ethics adventures (I still don't know which of those it actually is). ~~ethics adventures seem to be alarmingly popular now~~. {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ~~got traction outside the arena of "boys' shows" inasmuch as it can be [[E:Dragon Ball is a great demonstration of Materialist philosophy\|vulgarized]] into "merely" being an ethics adventure~~. {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative whether or not that is their main [[E:thematic takeaway (literature)\|message or theme]], and both likely got so much traction because people {{em\|did}} take being an ethics adventure as their main message. ~~then of course we have {{game\|Pokémon}}, which leans a bit more into conveying {{em\|environmental}} ethics through ethics adventures, but also has the interpersonal themes of ethics adventures intact~~.<br/>		ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because ... I still do not understand {{em\|what}} is being faithfully represented in the art. ...
	ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because ~~no matter how hard I try to understand it~~ I still do not understand what is being faithfully represented in the art. ethics adventures really make me feel as if I'm a computer or an actual ferocious amoral dragon rather than a human and I can only ever hope to calculate what feelings are, even though at other times than when looking at ethics adventures I do {{em\|have}} feelings.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics }} / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>
	out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.		out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= secular animism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-SecularAnimism}}) ->~~<br/>~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= secular animism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-SecularAnimism}}) -> so, I may have misrepresented this a bit because I genuinely had no idea it existed or what it was. (and no way of discovering that either until I stumbled onto the specific linguistic dictionary word "animism" being used in a secular context; I cannot express how frustrating it is to find that concepts are locked behind arbitrary words and arbitrary culturally-fabricated word definitions and are not comprehensible without those specific words even as those words are often not even the same sequences of words between different authors. I just want the concepts, {{censor\|dammit}}. and I just want them to actually be coherent in and of themselves rather than being explained with more totally arbitrary definitions according to some particular individual's individual preferences. I realize the vague opportunity for hypocrisy here when I'm always making up words, but to my credit, I am trying very hard to ultimately make all my findings on meta-Marxism a series of interconnected "numbers" independent of words and language however slowly that's going.)<br/>
	so, I may have misrepresented this a bit because I genuinely had no idea it existed or what it was. (and no way of discovering that either until I stumbled onto the specific linguistic dictionary word "animism" being used in a secular context; I cannot express how frustrating it is to find that concepts are locked behind arbitrary words and arbitrary culturally-fabricated word definitions and are not comprehensible without those specific words even as those words are often not even the same sequences of words between different authors. I just want the concepts, {{censor\|dammit}}. and I just want them to actually be coherent in and of themselves rather than being explained with more totally arbitrary definitions according to some particular individual's individual preferences. I realize the vague opportunity for hypocrisy here when I'm always making up words, but to my credit, I am trying very hard to ultimately make all my findings on meta-Marxism a series of interconnected "numbers" independent of words and language however slowly that's going.)<br/>
	I plan to re-evaluate and expand this page as I learn more about this bizarre new philosophy.		I plan to re-evaluate and expand this page as I learn more about this bizarre new philosophy.

Reversedragon: ethics adventure

2026-05-07T06:38:13Z

ethics adventure

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4 = ethics adventure }} -><br/>
			I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure, either as an actual counterpart within Buddhism or a secular work which is somewhat making fun of Buddhism but is still in practice within the general field of ethics adventures (I still don't know which of those it actually is). ethics adventures seem to be alarmingly popular now. {{book\|Dragon Ball}} got traction outside the arena of "boys' shows" inasmuch as it can be [[E:Dragon Ball is a great demonstration of Materialist philosophy\|vulgarized]] into "merely" being an ethics adventure. {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative whether or not that is their main [[E:thematic takeaway (literature)\|message or theme]], and both likely got so much traction because people {{em\|did}} take being an ethics adventure as their main message. then of course we have {{game\|Pokémon}}, which leans a bit more into conveying {{em\|environmental}} ethics through ethics adventures, but also has the interpersonal themes of ethics adventures intact.<br/>
			ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because no matter how hard I try to understand it I still do not understand what is being faithfully represented in the art. ethics adventures really make me feel as if I'm a computer or an actual ferocious amoral dragon rather than a human and I can only ever hope to calculate what feelings are, even though at other times than when looking at ethics adventures I do {{em\|have}} feelings.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>
	out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.		out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.

Reversedragon: Pokémon is an ethics adventure

2026-05-07T06:10:32Z

Pokémon is an ethics adventure

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics

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			== {{game\|Pokémon}} and adventure narratives ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666}}[[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]

			{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>
			out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.

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Reversedragon: secular animism

2026-05-07T05:54:16Z

secular animism

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/HAS\|tradition=HAS onto Fy\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics -> arguably true. whether I like it or not, that's probably an intentional theme in the text.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/HAS\|tradition=HAS onto Fy\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics -> arguably true. whether I like it or not, that's probably an intentional theme in the text.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / ethics in {{game\|Pokémon}} (motif)

	</li><li data-qid="54,93" value="5493" data-remark="arceus" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S2">To be good is to live in harmony with metaphysics -> explanation of Arceus and the creator Pokémon pantheon and how they function as moral devices for arbitrating karma in <cite>Pokémon</cite> narratives. {{YouTube\|5qJXxH92a7k}}		</li><li data-qid="54,93" value="5493" data-remark="arceus" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S2">To be good is to live in harmony with metaphysics -> explanation of Arceus and the creator Pokémon pantheon and how they function as moral devices for arbitrating karma in <cite>Pokémon</cite> narratives. {{YouTube\|5qJXxH92a7k}}
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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Arceist reset -> the motif of a process of many things competing radially leading to an incident of violence or devastation that knocks everyone down and supposedly punishes all the free-floating individuals for their "greed". seems to exist in both models of capitalism and models of global geopolitics

			</li></ol>

			== Related ==
			<ol class="hue clean">

			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= secular animism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-SecularAnimism}}) -><br/>
			so, I may have misrepresented this a bit because I genuinely had no idea it existed or what it was. (and no way of discovering that either until I stumbled onto the specific linguistic dictionary word "animism" being used in a secular context; I cannot express how frustrating it is to find that concepts are locked behind arbitrary words and arbitrary culturally-fabricated word definitions and are not comprehensible without those specific words even as those words are often not even the same sequences of words between different authors. I just want the concepts, {{censor\|dammit}}. and I just want them to actually be coherent in and of themselves rather than being explained with more totally arbitrary definitions according to some particular individual's individual preferences. I realize the vague opportunity for hypocrisy here when I'm always making up words, but to my credit, I am trying very hard to ultimately make all my findings on meta-Marxism a series of interconnected "numbers" independent of words and language however slowly that's going.)<br/>
			I plan to re-evaluate and expand this page as I learn more about this bizarre new philosophy.

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	== Subpages or ~~nickels~~ ==		== Subpages or related scraps ==
	* [[E:Q54,96/nickel]]		=== Nickels ===
			* {{nickel/silent}} [[E:Q54,96/nickel\|Q54,96/nickel]]
			* {{nickel/silent}} [[User:NickelBank/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|NickelBank/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8]]

Reversedragon: Pokémon is about ethics

2026-05-07T02:55:19Z

Pokémon is about ethics

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/ES\|Q=54,96\|Q2=54,96\|h4 = {{article\|The Divine Truth: Arceus and Our Sins Against It}} }} / {{nickel\|E=Q54,96/nickel~~}} {{YouTube~~\|5qJXxH92a7k}} -> first of all, this is a wonderful video. it's coded here to showcase that it had real effort and thought put into it. there's nothing I would change about the video. that said? {{em\|wow.}} it shows everything "wrong" with {{book\|Pokémon}}, or more specifically wrong with the world where people would make it. it is such a good piece of research into things I didn't know needed researching but after seeing it certainly knew then.		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=54,96\|Q2=54,96\|h4 = {{article\|The Divine Truth: Arceus and Our Sins Against It}} }} / {{nickel\|E=Q54,96/nickel\|rem-YT=5qJXxH92a7k}} -> first of all, this is a wonderful video. it's coded here to showcase that it had real effort and thought put into it. there's nothing I would change about the video. that said? {{em\|wow.}} it shows everything "wrong" with {{book\|Pokémon}}, or more specifically wrong with the world where people would make it. it is such a good piece of research into things I didn't know needed researching but after seeing it certainly knew then.

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	== Motifs in video ==		== Motifs in video ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/HAS\|tradition=HAS onto Fy\|Q=618}}{{game\|Pokémon}} is about ethics / Pokémon is a series about ethics -> arguably true. whether I like it or not, that's probably an intentional theme in the text.

	</li><li data-qid="54,93" value="5493" data-remark="arceus" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S2">To be good is to live in harmony with metaphysics -> explanation of Arceus and the creator Pokémon pantheon and how they function as moral devices for arbitrating karma in <cite>Pokémon</cite> narratives. {{YouTube\|5qJXxH92a7k}}		</li><li data-qid="54,93" value="5493" data-remark="arceus" class="field_exstruct" data-dimension="S2">To be good is to live in harmony with metaphysics -> explanation of Arceus and the creator Pokémon pantheon and how they function as moral devices for arbitrating karma in <cite>Pokémon</cite> narratives. {{YouTube\|5qJXxH92a7k}}
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			== Subpages or nickels ==
			* [[E:Q54,96/nickel]]

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

			{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=50,98}} ... that you treat the humanity in your own person and in that of others (including their consent) as an end before a means ... (categorical imperative, Immanuel Kant) / ({{9k\|RD/Q50,98}})

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}golden rule / Treat others as yourself / Do unto others as you would have them do unto you / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}silver rule (golden inverse) / We shouldn't do to anyone what we wouldn't want done to us / Do not do unto others as they should not do unto you (golden inverse) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bronze rule (golden converse) / Others' actions for yourself / Treat yourself as you would treat others / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

			{{li\|I=S2/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}platinum rule / Treat others as they would like to be treated / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|9k/...]]) / ([[EC:9k/RD/Q618-PeriodicTableOfRules\|Q50,98]])

	{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>
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	* {{nickel/silent}} [[E:Q54,96/nickel\|Q54,96/nickel]]		* {{nickel/silent}} [[E:Q54,96/nickel\|Q54,96/nickel]]
	* {{nickel/silent}} [[~~User~~:~~NickelBank~~/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|~~NickelBank/~~YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8]]		* {{nickel/silent}} [[Research talk:5c/YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8\|YT/WasTeamPlasmaRight3-8]]

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666}}[[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/ES\|Q=36,66\|Q2=3666\|h4= Individual choices mold society }} / [[E:Q3666\|Individual choices immediately shape the health of society]]

	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Individual actions {{em\|are}} society }} / The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

	{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=~~618~~\|Q2=~~618~~\|h4 = ethics adventure }} ->~~<br/>~~		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=11,42\|Q2=1142\|h4 = ethics adventure }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q11,42}}) -> I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure ... {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ... {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative ...<br/>
	I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure, either as an actual counterpart within Buddhism or a secular work which is somewhat making fun of Buddhism but is still in practice within the general field of ethics adventures (I still don't know which of those it actually is). ~~ethics adventures seem to be alarmingly popular now~~. {{book\|Dragon Ball}} ~~got traction outside the arena of "boys' shows" inasmuch as it can be [[E:Dragon Ball is a great demonstration of Materialist philosophy\|vulgarized]] into "merely" being an ethics adventure~~. {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative whether or not that is their main [[E:thematic takeaway (literature)\|message or theme]], and both likely got so much traction because people {{em\|did}} take being an ethics adventure as their main message. ~~then of course we have {{game\|Pokémon}}, which leans a bit more into conveying {{em\|environmental}} ethics through ethics adventures, but also has the interpersonal themes of ethics adventures intact~~.<br/>		ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because ... I still do not understand {{em\|what}} is being faithfully represented in the art. ...
	ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because ~~no matter how hard I try to understand it~~ I still do not understand what is being faithfully represented in the art. ethics adventures really make me feel as if I'm a computer or an actual ferocious amoral dragon rather than a human and I can only ever hope to calculate what feelings are, even though at other times than when looking at ethics adventures I do {{em\|have}} feelings.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics }} / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>
	out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.		out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= secular animism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-SecularAnimism}}) ->~~<br/>~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/A\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= secular animism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-SecularAnimism}}) -> so, I may have misrepresented this a bit because I genuinely had no idea it existed or what it was. (and no way of discovering that either until I stumbled onto the specific linguistic dictionary word "animism" being used in a secular context; I cannot express how frustrating it is to find that concepts are locked behind arbitrary words and arbitrary culturally-fabricated word definitions and are not comprehensible without those specific words even as those words are often not even the same sequences of words between different authors. I just want the concepts, {{censor\|dammit}}. and I just want them to actually be coherent in and of themselves rather than being explained with more totally arbitrary definitions according to some particular individual's individual preferences. I realize the vague opportunity for hypocrisy here when I'm always making up words, but to my credit, I am trying very hard to ultimately make all my findings on meta-Marxism a series of interconnected "numbers" independent of words and language however slowly that's going.)<br/>
	so, I may have misrepresented this a bit because I genuinely had no idea it existed or what it was. (and no way of discovering that either until I stumbled onto the specific linguistic dictionary word "animism" being used in a secular context; I cannot express how frustrating it is to find that concepts are locked behind arbitrary words and arbitrary culturally-fabricated word definitions and are not comprehensible without those specific words even as those words are often not even the same sequences of words between different authors. I just want the concepts, {{censor\|dammit}}. and I just want them to actually be coherent in and of themselves rather than being explained with more totally arbitrary definitions according to some particular individual's individual preferences. I realize the vague opportunity for hypocrisy here when I'm always making up words, but to my credit, I am trying very hard to ultimately make all my findings on meta-Marxism a series of interconnected "numbers" independent of words and language however slowly that's going.)<br/>
	I plan to re-evaluate and expand this page as I learn more about this bizarre new philosophy.		I plan to re-evaluate and expand this page as I learn more about this bizarre new philosophy.

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.		{{li\|I=S2/ES/Aa\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The choices of individuals are the {{em\|only}} way to shape society ([[E:Q73\|Existentialism]], Lacanianism) -> stronger version of Q36,66 which doesn't have a number assigned yet.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>		{{li\|I=S2/HAS/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4 = ethics adventure }} -><br/>
			I think this type of literature was once very popular in the field of religious narratives that were a bit too enthusiastic about religion; {{book\|The Pilgrim's Progress}} might be considered an ethics adventure specifically if you're a Christian reader or reviewer. likewise, {{book\|Journey to the West}} could be conceptualized as an ethics adventure, either as an actual counterpart within Buddhism or a secular work which is somewhat making fun of Buddhism but is still in practice within the general field of ethics adventures (I still don't know which of those it actually is). ethics adventures seem to be alarmingly popular now. {{book\|Dragon Ball}} got traction outside the arena of "boys' shows" inasmuch as it can be [[E:Dragon Ball is a great demonstration of Materialist philosophy\|vulgarized]] into "merely" being an ethics adventure. {{game\|Undertale}} and {{game\|Steven Universe}} can be seen as stories that are intended to have the {{em\|shape}} of an ethics adventure narrative whether or not that is their main [[E:thematic takeaway (literature)\|message or theme]], and both likely got so much traction because people {{em\|did}} take being an ethics adventure as their main message. then of course we have {{game\|Pokémon}}, which leans a bit more into conveying {{em\|environmental}} ethics through ethics adventures, but also has the interpersonal themes of ethics adventures intact.<br/>
			ethics adventures baffle me. they definitely "feel" good, but so many people seem positively convinced that they are actually some kind of accurate representational model of change or restoration in the real world that is mandatory to believe and prohibited to not believe, and that's the part that has me deeply confused because no matter how hard I try to understand it I still do not understand what is being faithfully represented in the art. ethics adventures really make me feel as if I'm a computer or an actual ferocious amoral dragon rather than a human and I can only ever hope to calculate what feelings are, even though at other times than when looking at ethics adventures I do {{em\|have}} feelings.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Pokémon trailblaze toward ethics / Pokémon journey toward ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is a journey to ethics / {{game\|Pokémon}} is an ethics adventure / {{game\|Pokémon}} seeks to sketch out an adventure narrative ("hero's journey") in which the major achievement of the "adventurer" is an individual successfully taking actions that are considered to be ethical despite being limited to the control of one person or more accurately 1-7 individuals; the end goal of the adventure is precisely the production of an ethical individual which does not harm other individuals or surrounding nature — despite the inherent contradiction that when telling this narrative through the medium of a kaiju story, all the tools available to the "adventurer" such as kaiju, battle techniques, levelling and evolutions, and the ability to use basic kaiju to acquire powerful local-gods are all essentially destructive instruments and none of them are inherently helpful or constructive -> <br/>
	out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.		out of all the concepts humans have invented this is one of the most annoying concepts I've ever seen. ({{i\|lang=en\|annoying}} is a really good word for it too, it's not precisely {{i\|lang=en\|pernicious}}, {{i\|lang=en\|insidious}}, or {{i\|lang=en\|toxic}} in particular as much as it is just utterly annoying.) but that's why I have to unpack it as much as possible down to the tiniest detail. because it cannot be defeated unless I truly and fully understand it.