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Reversedragon: fervent perfidious enemies

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fervent perfidious enemies

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is [[E:The material resolves the immaterial\|impossible]] to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) -> this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is [[E:The material resolves the immaterial\|impossible]] to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) {{9k\|RD\|Q42,84}} -><br/>
			this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.

	{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=29,67\|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) -> the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world		{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=29,67\|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) -><br/>
			the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world

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Reversedragon: The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system

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The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is [[E:The material resolves the immaterial\|impossible]] to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) -> this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is [[E:The material resolves the immaterial\|impossible]] to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) -> this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.

			{{li\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=29,67\|Q2=2967}}The failed promises of bourgeois revolution are the failed functioning of a physical system / In order to understand the "failed promises" of bourgeois revolution it is important to understand Liberal-republicanism as a complete physical system (series of physical processes; series of interacting physical objects), including its immediate superstructure (Congress, judges, etc.), although not including its solely-immaterial forms of philosophy (of ideology; of bourgeois ideology) -> the existence of "Liberal-republican revisionism" has something to do with the fact that Liberal republics are material objects and gap between Liberal-republican Idealist philosophy and the material world

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Reversedragon: fervent perfidious enemies

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fervent perfidious enemies

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938)		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/IV/A\|rem1=IV»A\|tradition=IV oer A\|Q=42,84\|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is [[E:The material resolves the immaterial\|impossible]] to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938) / betrayals by leadership (generic) -> this is usually a talking point for Marxists but... I swear there's also such a thing as Liberal-republican betrayals, within the framework of Liberal-republicanism. maybe there isn't any such thing as Liberal-republican successes, but either way, the other side of things is bizarrely the same.

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Reversedragon: copy markup from AdamSmithIsPureGreed

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copy markup from AdamSmithIsPureGreed

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{{li|start=y|I=S2/LR/MX|tradition=MX onto LR, LR|Q=55,56|Q2=5556}}Democracy requires progress / In order for democracy to exist, progress must take place / In order for [[E:Q55,76 Liberal-republicanism|democracy]] to exist (democratic republic; republic; Liberal-republicanism; liberal democracy), progress must take place, in the sense of continuous changes (creations; abolitions; amendments) within the system, or else a democratic republic completely ceases to exist, and pre-democracy, "undemocratic" forms of society then take hold, {{em|as if democracy had never existed in the first place}} -><br/>
I think this is a very important concept to set down and discuss before Liberal-republicans are allowed to say anything at all. because I swear there are a lot of "Liberal-republican revisionists" that exist who just like revisionist Marxists will flat-out undo and destroy their own system because they don't understand it, and regardless of any other system that exists, they completely undermine the things they themselves claim to believe in.

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/IV/A|rem1=IV»A|tradition=IV oer A|Q=42,84|Q2=4284}}fervent perfidious enemies / <i>Marx has said that it is impossible to judge either parties or peoples by what they say about themselves. [...] If, for example, we began to take as pure gold the innumerable proclamations of [... Kronstadt] we would have to recognize these gentlemen as fervent friends of socialism. But in reality they are its perfidious enemies</i> (Trotsky 1938)

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