Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q618-FairlyOddParents - Revision history

Reversedragon: Reading about the history of Trotskyism is more likely to lead you to the one true religion than reading the Christian bible

2026-06-20T09:12:23Z

Reading about the history of Trotskyism is more likely to lead you to the one true religion than reading the Christian bible

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=\|Q=618}}Reading about the history of Trotskyism is more likely to lead you to the one true religion than reading the Christian bible -><br/>
			one of those propositions that is really funny when abbreviated to the point it doesn't make sense. okay... now I have to unpack it.<br/>
			a few Christians are against fictional media, but many Christians actually believe that fictional media taking place in overall what should be an entirely secular context versus Christianity can teach people Christian values. (out of those two, I do like that latter perspective better in everyday life, even if it raises a lot of questions.) so... said another way, you can learn as much from fantasy books as from the bible. but if you can learn as much from fantasy books as from the bible, you can learn as much from history books as from the bible, if not a bit more than from fantasy books. the conclusion that follows is that you can learn more from a stack of history books about the history of Trotskyism than you can from the bible. this conclusion sounds a little absurd to somebody who hasn't already been looking into this, but after having done that, I do think it's true. I think one of the most obvious things you learn is that Trotskyism totally breaks most definitions of morality or cosmic Good, but I think you also learn something from that.<br/>
			I think part of why this proposition is fun is there's a tiny little logical fallacy buried in the middle where I conflate moral "knowledge" on various different conceptions of ethics with Materialist "knowledge", but even though that's technically a category error, it really doesn't make any difference because either kind of knowledge can attempt to describe the same historical events.

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Reversedragon: One example of a Christian value is Good and Evil

2026-06-20T07:27:53Z

One example of a Christian value is Good and Evil

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	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for Items, swatches, number lists, and ~~CSS~~ apart from ~~containing~~ any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. <small>no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.</small>		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for using HTML to display Items, swatches, number lists, and stylesheets apart from being expected to contain any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. <small>no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.</small>

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}I wish for unlimited wishes		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}I wish for unlimited wishes

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=02}}paradoxical wish statement		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=02}}paradoxical wish statement -> used to prove that Cookie can't "get quick results" on everything.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}what you call magic I call unexplained science -> yeah, I like this character already. I wonder what he would say about the whole fairy armageddon thing though		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}what you call magic I call unexplained science -> yeah, I like this character already. I wonder what he would say about the whole fairy armageddon thing though
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	there would also be the implication that this would be looming over the background of every episode too, which would be very unlike the original show and in that way would be fun.<br/>		there would also be the implication that this would be looming over the background of every episode too, which would be very unlike the original show and in that way would be fun.<br/>
	motif appears in: this, {{film\|Wish}}.		motif appears in: this, {{film\|Wish}}.

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}One example of a Christian value is Good and Evil, taken totally out of context and put in the context of any secular fantasy book -> apparently one of the thoughts that went into this show. [https://www.crosswalk.com/headlines/contributors/michael-foust/former-nickelodeon-animator-launches-faith-driven-studio-to-bring-gods-light-to-kids.html] the Christian publication that reported on it may be overstating things. but I do believe this much is accurate. the attitude this show takes toward magic and wishes is very unusual and intriguing out of context, but put in this context it actually makes a lot more sense. {{i\|oh, so this is just one of the versions of Christianity that is actually reasonable and that isn't incomprehensible on a logical level and completely grating to interact with. I thought that didn't even exist and it only existed when I jokingly made it up!}}<br/>
			I'm angry at today's Christians but I like this show. maybe partly because it isn't the things I'm mad at.

			{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}A few bad events happening does not mean morality is not real / A few bad events happening does not mean there is no God (sense) -> I used to have a big problem with this statement when it had God in it but honestly, if you delete God then it's much more likely to be true.

			{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|tradition=\|Q=618}}Christian who got tired of working at corporation as proletariat and left to found independent business making Christian products -> Scott Cawthon, Butch Hartman. I don't know how significant this motif is but [[E:nickel Item\|it's weird it happened twice]].

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Reversedragon: authoritarianism as defective wish ball

2026-06-19T10:54:44Z

authoritarianism as defective wish ball

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=}}I wish for unlimited wishes		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}I wish for unlimited wishes

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=02}}paradoxical wish statement

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=01}}what you call magic I call unexplained science -> yeah, I like this character already. I wonder what he would say about the whole fairy armageddon thing though

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=02}}authoritarianism as defective wish ball -> so, every experimental thing they did on this show was okay except for this. Cookie is indescribably funny even though most of the jokes in the episodes were just not. this... oh boy. I will sometimes read historical Marxist texts for fun and laugh at them for very specific reasons you'd understand if you saw them, so it's not like I think political scenarios are inherently unfunny. honestly, I love to make terrible jokes about inappropriately inserting PG-rated mature themes in kids' settings, stuff like Communist revolutions in Pokémon is hilarious. but this was not funny specifically because it's wrong. it's just incorrect. it's like.... Trump, or in this case, suspicious cybertruck lady, represents an entire body of individuals who all want things. so what should really have happened is more like, I don't know, the whole fairy armageddon plot got reversed and we find out some fairies are making humans do stuff for them, and it happened because when they defeated the darkness the power went to their head and they became the new oppressors. Jorgen is presumably not on the side of that because this is a cartoon, it can be a little flat with its morality and keep the good characters good. it would.... actually be kind of a fun plot if he was angry specifically because Cosmo and Wanda failing would mean that Hazel had to go... shine a million boots for the dark fairy army. the main characters are Black, we don't want the implications of this to be too bad. this would be a cool plot, when various kids are getting captured and assigned to dumb tasks and they have to figure things out. [[E:Duginism and Zionism are basically the same thing\|fairy Zionism]]. they can't quit while they're ahead and they become the evil empire that's convinced it's oppressed. can you imagine.<br/>
			there would also be the implication that this would be looming over the background of every episode too, which would be very unlike the original show and in that way would be fun.<br/>
			motif appears in: this, {{film\|Wish}}.

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Reversedragon: I wish for unlimited wishes

2026-06-19T09:57:34Z

I wish for unlimited wishes

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/DFy/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=1-06}}some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/DFy/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=1-06}}some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=}}I wish for unlimited wishes

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Reversedragon: fake research / some are more equal than others ; these were created today

2026-06-19T06:01:47Z

fake research / some are more equal than others ; these were created today

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= {{film\|Fairly Oddparents}} }} (2001-2017)		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= {{film\|Fairly Oddparents}} }} (2001-2017) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Fairly_OddParents_episodes]

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for Items, swatches, number lists, and CSS apart from containing any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. <small>no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.</small>		{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for Items, swatches, number lists, and CSS apart from containing any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. <small>no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.</small>
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/DFy/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/DFy/DX\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|ep=1-06}}some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"

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Reversedragon: copy markup from Q618-LogicAndWhatIsReal

2026-06-19T05:57:43Z

copy markup from Q618-LogicAndWhatIsReal

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{{li|I=S1/Fy|Q=618|Q2=618}}fake research -> this describes commentary pages that are entirely for fun or as a joke but are put together vaguely pretending they're serious either to practice the basic concept of collecting motifs and representing concepts with swatches, or for an ironic effect, or both. these pages or entries are not to be taken very seriously. however, they can be taken as "serious" demo pages for Items, swatches, number lists, and CSS apart from containing any real philosophy or politics education. you probably figured this idea out after you read a few pages but some people can be a bit dense the first time they see things. <small>no hard feelings, I just don't have a lot of time to document things after making everything and I'm tired.</small>

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/DFy/DX|Q=618|Q2=618}}some are more equal than others / "you're gray blobs just like me!" "actually, we're the grayest and the blobbiest!"

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