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James Madison

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	the Declaration of Independence isn't good evidence. that had to speak for multiple people. that's like saying that if Trotsky signed a decision by Stalin's party that he believed in Stalinism. this implication that the Declaration of Independence was the opinion of one single man only and contained no concessions shows by itself that Barron has a questionable understanding of what democracy is.<br/>		the Declaration of Independence isn't good evidence. that had to speak for multiple people. that's like saying that if Trotsky signed a decision by Stalin's party that he believed in Stalinism. this implication that the Declaration of Independence was the opinion of one single man only and contained no concessions shows by itself that Barron has a questionable understanding of what democracy is.<br/>
	geez, no wonder the United States likes Trotsky and Bakunin so much. we all love the idea that when a whole room of representatives votes on something and millions of people in the surrounding country stand behind it that the opinion of one person can discard all of that if he believes he has better moral principles than every one of them. none of us actually believes in democracy. we believe in "my moral beliefs for everybody" -ocracy.		geez, no wonder the United States likes Trotsky and Bakunin so much. we all love the idea that when a whole room of representatives votes on something and millions of people in the surrounding country stand behind it that the opinion of one person can discard all of that if he believes he has better moral principles than every one of them. none of us actually believes in democracy. we believe in "my moral beliefs for everybody" -ocracy.

			{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Thomas Jefferson and James Madison ... -> I looked around a bunch to try to find what Madison said about religion. [https://magazine.wfu.edu/2026/06/11/religious-freedom-madison-america-25/] [http://www.increasinglearning.com/the-christian-belief-of-james-madison.html] the closest thing I could find to what he believed himself is a remark that sounded like "sure is weird how everyone is christians here, I guess things have to be designed around that"<br/>
			so: the statement is like a quarter right. James Madison agreed that the United States was founded on a population of Christians, so if you think the word "foundation" isn't too strong a word to describe that, then yeah, the United States was founded on {{em\|Christians}}, concrete noun, not {{em\|Christianity}}, abstract noun. but it's unclear if he agreed that that was an actual part of democracy or not. it's that separation between country characteristics and a Marxist process of socialist transition, only with a Liberal republic and the processes of that

	{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Voting doesn't create rights }} / Democratic processes don't create rights / If the government were the arbiter of our rights, then it could take them away [https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bishop-robert-barron-dangers-behind-sen-kaines-rejection-god-given-rights-founding-principle] -> backhandedly true. he gets it. he gets how government works. when you create a republic and create government by the people, the rights it defends depend on what the people subjectively believe. if that isn't the case, then there isn't democracy.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/HAS\|Q=618\|Q2=618\|h4= Voting doesn't create rights }} / Democratic processes don't create rights / If the government were the arbiter of our rights, then it could take them away [https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bishop-robert-barron-dangers-behind-sen-kaines-rejection-god-given-rights-founding-principle] -> backhandedly true. he gets it. he gets how government works. when you create a republic and create government by the people, the rights it defends depend on what the people subjectively believe. if that isn't the case, then there isn't democracy.<br/>

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