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Reversedragon: Whites should regroup to figure out how to get rid of prejudice, but so far they have not (Malcom X)

2026-09-26T04:04:11Z

Whites should regroup to figure out how to get rid of prejudice, but so far they have not (Malcom X)

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	{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}a space for people of color to work with White people without dealing with the racism of White people [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/08/14/mumi-a14.html] -> this is like you've tried as hard as you can to apply anti-essentialism, but you've applied it wrong. trying hard to find "the only good White people" that you know must theoretically exist.<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}a space for people of color to work with White people without dealing with the racism of White people [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/08/14/mumi-a14.html] -> this is like you've tried as hard as you can to apply anti-essentialism, but you've applied it wrong. trying hard to find "the only good White people" that you know must theoretically exist.<br/>
	I was trying to read about what Foucauldian discourses are the other day and I'm now thinking back to that. it's like society separates people out into racists and non-racists as these arbitrary identities, because of this idea that when processes that categorize people exist you have to participate in the discourses to keep them from going badly.		I was trying to read about what Foucauldian discourses are the other day and I'm now thinking back to that. it's like society separates people out into racists and non-racists as these arbitrary identities, because of this idea that when processes that categorize people exist you have to participate in the discourses to keep them from going badly.

			{{li\|I=S2/BP\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Whites should regroup to figure out how to get rid of prejudice, but so far they have not (Malcom X, [[E:Young Socialist\|1965]]) / Whites who are sincere should organize themselves and figure out some strategies to break down the prejudice that exists in white communities ... in the white community itself, and this has never been done -> hang on a moment. was he being ironic? was he actually focusing on that very last part, "this has never been done", to say that White people instead had to intervene in the way they had previously been organizing? I really wonder. I have no idea.

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Reversedragon: a space for people of color to work with White people without dealing with the racism of White people

2026-09-26T03:13:58Z

a space for people of color to work with White people without dealing with the racism of White people

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LLM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bad question! -> it really hated this one. it's always been positive about my questions even when they were stupid and beginning from meta-Marxist methods that it didn't actually like, while this is the only question where it just said "hell no"		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/LLM\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}bad question! -> it really hated this one. it's always been positive about my questions even when they were stupid and beginning from meta-Marxist methods that it didn't actually like, while this is the only question where it just said "hell no"
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/PT\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Immigrants caused capitalists to abuse workers (WSWS comments) / <i>The US has failed to enforce its laws because big businesses and industries can pay illegal aliens low wages (often below minimum wage), offer no insurance or other benefits and get away with it</i> [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/pers-m04.html] -> that person didn't even think through their statement		{{li\|start=y\|I=F2/PT\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Immigrants caused capitalists to abuse workers (WSWS comments) / <i>The US has failed to enforce its laws because big businesses and industries can pay illegal aliens low wages (often below minimum wage), offer no insurance or other benefits and get away with it</i> [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/pers-m04.html] -> that person didn't even think through their statement
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	{{li\|I=Z1/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor ({{book\|Socialist Worker}}) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/04/race-s04.html] -> member of apparently-Trotskyist organization who called Obama the "transformative candidate" of "a new era" and said "voting is not unimportant". that's kind of funny taken in context.		{{li\|I=Z1/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor ({{book\|Socialist Worker}}) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/04/race-s04.html] -> member of apparently-Trotskyist organization who called Obama the "transformative candidate" of "a new era" and said "voting is not unimportant". that's kind of funny taken in context.

			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}a space where we can talk about our racism with each other without burdening the people of color in our lives (Barbara Gross) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/08/14/mumi-a14.html] -> well that is certainly a description<br/>
			it's like... the anti-racism workshop is combating racism against Black people but it's lightly discriminating against White people in particular limited ways, leading to segregation.

			{{li\|I=S1/ES\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}a space for people of color to work with White people without dealing with the racism of White people [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/08/14/mumi-a14.html] -> this is like you've tried as hard as you can to apply anti-essentialism, but you've applied it wrong. trying hard to find "the only good White people" that you know must theoretically exist.<br/>
			I was trying to read about what Foucauldian discourses are the other day and I'm now thinking back to that. it's like society separates people out into racists and non-racists as these arbitrary identities, because of this idea that when processes that categorize people exist you have to participate in the discourses to keep them from going badly.

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Reversedragon: copy markup from trans4mer page

2026-09-26T01:39:05Z

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{{testimony|If capitalism breaking up populations and causing people to migrate wildly across the world and across each industrial country isn't a problem, then isn't every crime by Black people and every case of people being near crime technically people's own fault? If the Black Panthers organizing prisoners was useless to advancing permanent revolution, and modern "abolitionist" movements (Crenshaw / Gilmore) trying to frame movements around specifically-Black history and specifically-Black problems and "creating and world-making" but also around keeping existing socially-linked subpopulations concentrated together generally tends to be either ignoring Marxism or no better than socialism in one country, and almost every visible Black philosopher has been sliding into the Liberal-republican thinking of interpreting every event and phenomenon through race because it's their area's 'top ballot issue', then it logically follows that people in struggling areas with bad organizations are obligated to move out of those areas to wealthier areas with jobs for the good of the world proletariat so that nobody has to hear them complain about racism. I don't think people would be happy to hear that given that migration can require a lot of money they don't even have, and that is a lot of work and debt that capitalists can make people take on at the drop of a hat to build up new businesses every time they suddenly decide to abandon them. Really, it's scary how much of an argument there is to just tell Black and Hispanic people to leave the United States and go to Southeast Asia or one of the more urban parts of Africa for a job and stay out of the inherent danger of being in the United States, given that theoretically they would have an easier time contributing to worldwide revolution if they simply stopped having special oppressions at all, which are largely geographical in nature. If my racist relatives were to somehow discover that Trotskyists think integrating ethnicities and nationalities on an international scale and transitioning the world out of racialized thinking is a good thing and the Trotskyist solution to racism is simply to welcome immigrants, and then start saying that everyone who commits a crime or experiences a crime or even gets racially profiled and doesn't leave the area and go to a better city is just refusing to enter the age of the proletariat and advancing reactionary classes and older social structures (petty bourgeoisie, peasants, tribal society, gangs & prisoners when they resemble illegal small businesses or tribal formations), what do I even do? In one sense they would technically be right, because it's true that people's ethnicity has no bearing on what they can achieve as an overall collection of individuals, and it's true that anyone can be the proletariat, and it's true that prisoners can't lead a revolution, and it's true that Black people who stay near racists become prisoners or senselessly get arrested and become incapacitated. So... does permanent revolution just require people undergoing international racial integration specifically in every country except the United States?}}
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/LLM|Q=618|Q2=618}}bad question! -> it really hated this one. it's always been positive about my questions even when they were stupid and beginning from meta-Marxist methods that it didn't actually like, while this is the only question where it just said "hell no"

{{li|I=S1/LLM|Q=618|Q2=618}}is the user Black or Hispanic? -> lol. no, but honestly, I'd rather it consider that than it not consider that. I feel like many of the actual WSWS articles aren't this thoughtful.

{{li|I=Z1/MN|Q=618|Q2=618}}{{book|The Condition of the Working Class in England}} (Engels)

{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=618|Q2=618}}Marxism is not a [[E:methodological individualism|methodologically-individualist]] framework of class struggle; it is a view of the overall class struggle

{{li|I=S2/IV|Q=618|Q2=618}}The dismissal of Black nationalist movements is not to say that minority ethnicities cannot have a movement (Trotskyism)

{{li|I=S2/IV|tradition=IV, ML|Q=618|Q2=618}}United States workers must organize and fight to overcome United States capitalists

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{{li|start=y|I=F2/PT|Q=618|Q2=618}}Immigrants caused capitalists to abuse workers (WSWS comments) / <i>The US has failed to enforce its laws because big businesses and industries can pay illegal aliens low wages (often below minimum wage), offer no insurance or other benefits and get away with it</i> [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/05/pers-m04.html] -> that person didn't even think through their statement

{{li|I=S2/HAS/IV|Q=618|Q2=618}}The majority of victims of United States police killings are White (2014) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/04/race-s04.html]

{{li|I=Z1/ES|Q=618|Q2=618}}ISO / Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor (sense)

{{li|I=Z1/LR|Q=618|Q2=618}}Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor ({{book|Socialist Worker}}) [https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/04/race-s04.html] -> member of apparently-Trotskyist organization who called Obama the "transformative candidate" of "a new era" and said "voting is not unimportant". that's kind of funny taken in context.

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