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Reversedragon: real lawyers react to Ace Attorney

2026-06-16T08:26:53Z

real lawyers react to Ace Attorney

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}lawyers react to Ace Attorney / ~~real lawyer reacts to Ace Attorney~~ -~~> a motif to contain various specific criticisms lawyers have made about the games.~~		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}real lawyers react to {{game\|Ace Attorney}} / ({{9k\|RD/Q618-LawyersVersusAceAttorney}})

	{{li\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>

Reversedragon: lawyers react to Ace Attorney

2026-06-16T08:25:37Z

lawyers react to Ace Attorney

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	== Theories / subjective themes ==		== Theories / subjective themes ==
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy/LR\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}lawyers react to Ace Attorney / real lawyer reacts to Ace Attorney -> a motif to contain various specific criticisms lawyers have made about the games.

			{{li\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>
	a video pointed out that Franziska von Karma doesn't hit everybody and specifically whips men, which makes her relatable to lesbians. {{YouTube\|R_C6tA__pzU}} I can't really add to or take anything away from that comment. all I will say is I stopped overthinking things and started laughing. because that was too likely to be the correct answer<br/>		a video pointed out that Franziska von Karma doesn't hit everybody and specifically whips men, which makes her relatable to lesbians. {{YouTube\|R_C6tA__pzU}} I can't really add to or take anything away from that comment. all I will say is I stopped overthinking things and started laughing. because that was too likely to be the correct answer<br/>
	(* which, if you're going to say the arc between the two is meaningful, I have to say I vastly prefer that interpretation to pointing out Bartleby's dialectic. Edgeworth's change is only significant to him and Phoenix? wonderful actually.)		(* which, if you're going to say the arc between the two is meaningful, I have to say I vastly prefer that interpretation to pointing out Bartleby's dialectic. Edgeworth's change is only significant to him and Phoenix? wonderful actually.)

Reversedragon: Ace Attorney is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be

2026-06-11T23:57:53Z

Ace Attorney is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be

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	== Theories / subjective themes ==		== Theories / subjective themes ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>
			a video pointed out that Franziska von Karma doesn't hit everybody and specifically whips men, which makes her relatable to lesbians. {{YouTube\|R_C6tA__pzU}} I can't really add to or take anything away from that comment. all I will say is I stopped overthinking things and started laughing. because that was too likely to be the correct answer<br/>
			(* which, if you're going to say the arc between the two is meaningful, I have to say I vastly prefer that interpretation to pointing out Bartleby's dialectic. Edgeworth's change is only significant to him and Phoenix? wonderful actually.)

			{{li\|I=S2/HM/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them -> there is something to be said about this process of people becoming discontented because an overall structure contains [[E:graph struggle (meta-Marxism)\|graph struggles]]

	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>
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	{{li\|I=S2/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}hold it! you call that Leninism? -> though it's not very serious (and is not finished) [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|I have a "demonstration" of this now]]		{{li\|I=S2/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}hold it! you call that Leninism? -> though it's not very serious (and is not finished) [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|I have a "demonstration" of this now]]

	~~{{li\|I=S0/Fy/ML\|Q=36,16\|Q2=3616}}class traitor from specific field (fiction) / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})~~		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=36,18\|Q2=3618}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=36,18\|Q2=3618}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})~~<br/>~~
	~~lawyer characters becoming Lenin + {{cite\|Ace Attorney}} = Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist.~~

	{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=64,49\|Q2=6449\|h4= Ace Attorney without trials }} / Ace Attorney without lawyers / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}}) -> so. I said that "Ace Attorney is copaganda" was a stupid proposition ... but. as I wrote that down, I realized that if you tried to redesign the Ace Attorney universe around the constraint of what anarchists {{em\|apparently}} want rather than what they literally want... it would actually be a weirdly fun challenge.<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=64,49\|Q2=6449\|h4= Ace Attorney without trials }} / Ace Attorney without lawyers / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}}) -> so. I said that "Ace Attorney is copaganda" was a stupid proposition ... but. as I wrote that down, I realized that if you tried to redesign the Ace Attorney universe around the constraint of what anarchists {{em\|apparently}} want rather than what they literally want... it would actually be a weirdly fun challenge.<br/>
	... I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down. ... I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the anarchist incident in order to defend it, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. ... Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it doesn't happen. ... so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. ... at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.		... I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down. ... I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the anarchist incident in order to defend it, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. ... Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it doesn't happen. ... so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. ... at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.

	~~{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}})~~

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618}}phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom -> so today I found out they closed the extra toilet at the grocery store possibly for bigoted reasons. here is my revenge<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618}}phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom -> so today I found out they closed the extra toilet at the grocery store possibly for bigoted reasons. here is my revenge<br/>
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			* [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist]]
	* [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|~~RD/~~objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist]]

Reversedragon: Russian and Communist are the same thing

2026-06-10T03:37:18Z

Russian and Communist are the same thing

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations [vol. 3]		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations [vol. 3]

	{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There are two things I consider inexcusable — poisoning, and betrayal (Phoenix Wright, AA3) -> would this be evidence against or for Phoenix siding with the Trotskyite conspiracy? I'm not sure		{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There are two things I consider inexcusable — poisoning, and betrayal (Phoenix Wright, AA3) -> would this be evidence against or for Phoenix siding with the Trotskyite conspiracy? I'm not sure

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney

			{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Yin vs Yang dichotomy / Goku vs Vegeta dichotomy (sense) / Wright vs Edgeworth dichotomy (sense) -> it took me until the very end of the third game to see it. despite the big old magatama being right there looking like a yin-yang diagram.

			{{li\|I=F2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Russian and Communist are the same thing / "Communist" is a nationality which is identical with being Russian and Communist culture is indistinguishable from Russian culture / Russian and Stalinist are the same thing (sense) / Chinese and Maoist are the same thing (sense) / Chinese and Dengist are the same thing (sense) -> this proposition gets much less intuitive when you realize that it's not possible for "Chinese" to mean both "Maoist" and "Dengist" at the same time, at least not considering the nature of Marxist parties.<br/>
			also. why is it that conflating China with Dengism is as common as conflating China with Maoism but nobody ever conflates the Soviet Union with Trotskyism in particular? have you ever noticed that? nobody ever talks about 'the rich Trotskyist culture of Russia and Ukraine' in which Russians are inherently obsessed with internationalism, even though for a few years in the 1920s they could have; it's always that Trotsky is a foreign presence in the Soviet Union while being "Stalinist" or being "The Bureaucracy" is inherently Russian.<br/>
			it's as if national stereotypes are an inherently anarchist thing that gets thrown around as a way of slamming 'older' forms of society in the same sense that people portray all monarchs as tyrants, despite the recent transformation of anarchism into a movement almost solely concerned with getting rid of stereotypes.

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Reversedragon: phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom ; created 2026-05-31T08:15:26H

2026-06-02T01:20:57Z

phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom ; created 2026-05-31T08:15:26H

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	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}})		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}})

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618}}phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom -> so today I found out they closed the extra toilet at the grocery store possibly for bigoted reasons. here is my revenge<br/>
			phoenix wright gets caught in a lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom. he is like, oh god, why is this a case, there's nothing to investigate, we're just arguing about whether the thing that happened is a violation or not, what are we doing<br/>
			there's something about how practically all the court cases in the games are murder cases and in comparison this kind of case seems like such small potatoes. and yet it's somehow something millions of people across an entire country can get endlessly fired up about

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Reversedragon: There are two things I [Phoenix] consider inexcusable — poisoning, and betrayal

2026-05-31T01:38:15Z

There are two things I [Phoenix] consider inexcusable — poisoning, and betrayal

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	this motif is... a mixed bag. in some ways it's a good thing — it's always great to see a character re-evaluate themself. in some ways it's a little yucky because it reminds me of [[E:Fukuyama's dialectic (Liberal-republicanism)\|Fukuyama's dialectic]] but somehow applied to people. in Fukuyama's dialectic it's asserted that improvement and moderation are inherently tied together such that there's not really any such thing as change, only restoring the perfect. and here, you can almost see a nasty undertone that Edgeworth had to rethink himself because his personality was "not moderate" and "had to be moderated" while Phoenix, in being defined by authenticity and a kind of purity of character, is characterized not by actual striving for self-improvement but by inherent perfection. Franziska von Karma is obnoxious but like, as much as this isn't my favorite kind of 'character development', at the very least she did work hard to get where she is. meanwhile the game ultimately seems to knock that concept of improving through effort, and after thinking about it a while that's a little unsettling honestly. it's like Edgeworth didn't improve morally because he tried to do that — the form of effort that is relevant here and possibly more important — but because he regressed to the mean, he fell back to the Ideal. that concept is the thing that bothers me.<br/>		this motif is... a mixed bag. in some ways it's a good thing — it's always great to see a character re-evaluate themself. in some ways it's a little yucky because it reminds me of [[E:Fukuyama's dialectic (Liberal-republicanism)\|Fukuyama's dialectic]] but somehow applied to people. in Fukuyama's dialectic it's asserted that improvement and moderation are inherently tied together such that there's not really any such thing as change, only restoring the perfect. and here, you can almost see a nasty undertone that Edgeworth had to rethink himself because his personality was "not moderate" and "had to be moderated" while Phoenix, in being defined by authenticity and a kind of purity of character, is characterized not by actual striving for self-improvement but by inherent perfection. Franziska von Karma is obnoxious but like, as much as this isn't my favorite kind of 'character development', at the very least she did work hard to get where she is. meanwhile the game ultimately seems to knock that concept of improving through effort, and after thinking about it a while that's a little unsettling honestly. it's like Edgeworth didn't improve morally because he tried to do that — the form of effort that is relevant here and possibly more important — but because he regressed to the mean, he fell back to the Ideal. that concept is the thing that bothers me.<br/>
	Socratic dialectic + ?? = Edgeworth's dialectic. Fukuyama's dialectic + character development = Edgeworth's dialectic. Miles Edgeworth + authenticity (Lacanianism) = Edgeworth's dialectic. Miles Edgeworth + The unpredictability of Subjects will save the world = Edgeworth's dialectic.		Socratic dialectic + ?? = Edgeworth's dialectic. Fukuyama's dialectic + character development = Edgeworth's dialectic. Miles Edgeworth + authenticity (Lacanianism) = Edgeworth's dialectic. Miles Edgeworth + The unpredictability of Subjects will save the world = Edgeworth's dialectic.

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations [vol. 3]

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There are two things I consider inexcusable — poisoning, and betrayal (Phoenix Wright, AA3) -> would this be evidence against or for Phoenix siding with the Trotskyite conspiracy? I'm not sure

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Reversedragon: move "anarchist attorney" entries to EC:9k/RD/Q6449

2026-05-28T22:26:59Z

move "anarchist attorney" entries to EC:9k/RD/Q6449

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Reversedragon: lawyer characters becoming Lenin

2026-05-05T12:29:26Z

lawyer characters becoming Lenin

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	I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down, or maybe it isn't shut down at that time but people are occupying buildings and there is a lot of chaos and he doesn't quite know what's going on. I don't know what Mia is doing, she might actually be defending anarchists in a court trial or something weird might be going on like that. Phoenix was originally in college for theater. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/comments/9euckp/why_did_phoenix_wright_study_art_in_college/] so he would be studying the humanities and honestly I'd realistically expect that he would run into some odd people who are absorbed in schizoanalysis or other Existentialist nonsense philosophies that behind all the spaghetti strive to promote moral progress and empathy. he's a bit conflicted because I assume based on the central themes of the original series that he is fairly logical but none of this stuff makes any sense, it's more like a weird little mystery that he can't quite piece together. (gosh, he's already become relatable.) I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the incident she is supposed to be defending, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. of course, I feel like for thematic consistency we have to stick to the most important rule of this AU of there being absolutely no trials. Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it gets held up and doesn't happen. anarchists level the courthouse, I don't know. the anarchists try to get rid of the police department and the detectives' involvement in things. so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. they quickly figure out that one of the best things they can do is simply learn to parse out what people are on the anarchists' side and what people aren't, and quickly report "the wrong people" so that at any particular "venue" or event they don't get in. at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. he has no idea what is going to happen to this man in the coming years, but knows that whatever happens it is now his duty to be a part of it. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.		I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down, or maybe it isn't shut down at that time but people are occupying buildings and there is a lot of chaos and he doesn't quite know what's going on. I don't know what Mia is doing, she might actually be defending anarchists in a court trial or something weird might be going on like that. Phoenix was originally in college for theater. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/comments/9euckp/why_did_phoenix_wright_study_art_in_college/] so he would be studying the humanities and honestly I'd realistically expect that he would run into some odd people who are absorbed in schizoanalysis or other Existentialist nonsense philosophies that behind all the spaghetti strive to promote moral progress and empathy. he's a bit conflicted because I assume based on the central themes of the original series that he is fairly logical but none of this stuff makes any sense, it's more like a weird little mystery that he can't quite piece together. (gosh, he's already become relatable.) I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the incident she is supposed to be defending, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. of course, I feel like for thematic consistency we have to stick to the most important rule of this AU of there being absolutely no trials. Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it gets held up and doesn't happen. anarchists level the courthouse, I don't know. the anarchists try to get rid of the police department and the detectives' involvement in things. so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. they quickly figure out that one of the best things they can do is simply learn to parse out what people are on the anarchists' side and what people aren't, and quickly report "the wrong people" so that at any particular "venue" or event they don't get in. at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. he has no idea what is going to happen to this man in the coming years, but knows that whatever happens it is now his duty to be a part of it. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=~~618~~}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists<br/>		{{li\|I=S0/Fy/ML\|Q=36,16\|Q2=3616}}class traitor from specific field (fiction) / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=36,18\|Q2=3618}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})<br/>
	lawyer characters becoming Lenin + {{cite\|Ace Attorney}} = Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist.		lawyer characters becoming Lenin + {{cite\|Ace Attorney}} = Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist.

Reversedragon: I shouldn't brag, the motif speaks for itself / lawyer postmodernism

2026-05-05T07:14:07Z

I shouldn't brag, the motif speaks for itself / lawyer postmodernism

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	I try so hard to steelman anarchists and not present their points and concepts as just stupid if I can possibly think of a way they could make sense, but the anarchists themselves are always dropping the ball. trying to defend anarchism always feels like when Phoenix has a witness who just goes on the stand and claims they did it while Phoenix is standing there like {{i\|no! no! no! you didn't have to say that}}.		I try so hard to steelman anarchists and not present their points and concepts as just stupid if I can possibly think of a way they could make sense, but the anarchists themselves are always dropping the ball. trying to defend anarchism always feels like when Phoenix has a witness who just goes on the stand and claims they did it while Phoenix is standing there like {{i\|no! no! no! you didn't have to say that}}.

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618}}lawyer modernism (fiction) / detective modernism; forensics department modernism (fiction) / police officer modernism (fiction; {{cite\|Zootopia}} etc.) / senator modernism (fiction; {{cite\|The West Wing}} etc.) -> the motif of creating a modernist setting in fiction but doing that specifically through the lens of occupations or trades, such that the work is very relatable to anyone who has ever experienced the occupations being depicted, but such that the work also effectively praises or defends what already is whether or not it is bad.~~<br~~/>		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618}}lawyer modernism (fiction) / detective modernism; forensics department modernism (fiction) / police officer modernism (fiction; {{cite\|Zootopia}} etc.) / senator modernism (fiction; {{cite\|The West Wing}} etc.) -> the motif of creating a modernist setting in fiction but doing that specifically through the lens of occupations or trades, such that the work is very relatable to anyone who has ever experienced the occupations being depicted, but such that the work also effectively praises or defends what already is whether or not it is bad.
	~~see. I have already put in something~~ {{em\|~~way~~}} ~~more insightful than "Ace Attorney is copaganda"~~. ~~it extends to every trade~~.
			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618}}lawyer postmodernism (fiction) -> this logically has to exist if lawyer modernism exists, but I don't really know what it would be.
			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618}}lawyer metamodernism (fiction) -> this logically has to exist too. I hate culture studies terms.<br/>
			but, when I reframed the definition of modernism maybe there would be something interesting within this one.

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Reversedragon: lawyer modernism (fiction)

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lawyer modernism (fiction)

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	{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Ace Attorney is copaganda -> so when I searched up the link I really saw somebody say the phrase 'police investigation' in a negative tone. this is just it, people have these really negative experiences with cops directly that teach them the little they know, and want to live in a world without laws, but simultaneously want to live in "a democracy" and practice nonviolence and like have the entire thing operate exactly like a Liberal republic but with the tiny change that every individual is, I dunno, magically given a shock collar that zaps them if they violate some defined list of Bad Things that Make Clusters of Minorities Unhappy. kind of like the early {{cite\|Zootopia}} concepts if the shock collars actually meant there weren't any cops.<br/>		{{li\|I=S2/ES\|Q=618}}Ace Attorney is copaganda -> so when I searched up the link I really saw somebody say the phrase 'police investigation' in a negative tone. this is just it, people have these really negative experiences with cops directly that teach them the little they know, and want to live in a world without laws, but simultaneously want to live in "a democracy" and practice nonviolence and like have the entire thing operate exactly like a Liberal republic but with the tiny change that every individual is, I dunno, magically given a shock collar that zaps them if they violate some defined list of Bad Things that Make Clusters of Minorities Unhappy. kind of like the early {{cite\|Zootopia}} concepts if the shock collars actually meant there weren't any cops.<br/>
	I try so hard to steelman anarchists and not present their points and concepts as just stupid if I can possibly think of a way they could make sense, but the anarchists themselves are always dropping the ball. trying to defend anarchism always feels like when Phoenix has a witness who just goes on the stand and claims they did it while Phoenix is standing there like {{i\|no! no! no! you didn't have to say that}}.		I try so hard to steelman anarchists and not present their points and concepts as just stupid if I can possibly think of a way they could make sense, but the anarchists themselves are always dropping the ball. trying to defend anarchism always feels like when Phoenix has a witness who just goes on the stand and claims they did it while Phoenix is standing there like {{i\|no! no! no! you didn't have to say that}}.

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ES\|Q=618}}lawyer modernism (fiction) / detective modernism; forensics department modernism (fiction) / police officer modernism (fiction; {{cite\|Zootopia}} etc.) / senator modernism (fiction; {{cite\|The West Wing}} etc.) -> the motif of creating a modernist setting in fiction but doing that specifically through the lens of occupations or trades, such that the work is very relatable to anyone who has ever experienced the occupations being depicted, but such that the work also effectively praises or defends what already is whether or not it is bad.<br/>
			see. I have already put in something {{em\|way}} more insightful than "Ace Attorney is copaganda". it extends to every trade.

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	== Theories / subjective themes ==		== Theories / subjective themes ==
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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them; these things may include gay characters, rebellion against men, etc. -> most people notice the "love story" between Wright and Edgeworth*. I noticed the French chef and how comically heavily they were hinting he was gay.<br/>
			a video pointed out that Franziska von Karma doesn't hit everybody and specifically whips men, which makes her relatable to lesbians. {{YouTube\|R_C6tA__pzU}} I can't really add to or take anything away from that comment. all I will say is I stopped overthinking things and started laughing. because that was too likely to be the correct answer<br/>
			(* which, if you're going to say the arc between the two is meaningful, I have to say I vastly prefer that interpretation to pointing out Bartleby's dialectic. Edgeworth's change is only significant to him and Phoenix? wonderful actually.)

			{{li\|I=S2/HM/LGBT\|tradition=\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is an exercise in expressing things The Industry doesn't want people to do or be as loudly as possible without explicitly saying them -> there is something to be said about this process of people becoming discontented because an overall structure contains [[E:graph struggle (meta-Marxism)\|graph struggles]]

	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>
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	{{li\|I=S2/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}hold it! you call that Leninism? -> though it's not very serious (and is not finished) [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|I have a "demonstration" of this now]]		{{li\|I=S2/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}hold it! you call that Leninism? -> though it's not very serious (and is not finished) [[User:RD/objection-IB/IsCanadaTrotskyist\|I have a "demonstration" of this now]]

	~~{{li\|I=S0/Fy/ML\|Q=36,16\|Q2=3616}}class traitor from specific field (fiction) / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})~~		{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=36,18\|Q2=3618}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})

	{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=36,18\|Q2=3618}}lawyer characters becoming Lenin / characters that would be lawyers becoming Communist theorists / ({{9k\|RD/Q1210}})~~<br/>~~
	~~lawyer characters becoming Lenin + {{cite\|Ace Attorney}} = Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist.~~

	{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=64,49\|Q2=6449\|h4= Ace Attorney without trials }} / Ace Attorney without lawyers / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}}) -> so. I said that "Ace Attorney is copaganda" was a stupid proposition ... but. as I wrote that down, I realized that if you tried to redesign the Ace Attorney universe around the constraint of what anarchists {{em\|apparently}} want rather than what they literally want... it would actually be a weirdly fun challenge.<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/A\|Q=64,49\|Q2=6449\|h4= Ace Attorney without trials }} / Ace Attorney without lawyers / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}}) -> so. I said that "Ace Attorney is copaganda" was a stupid proposition ... but. as I wrote that down, I realized that if you tried to redesign the Ace Attorney universe around the constraint of what anarchists {{em\|apparently}} want rather than what they literally want... it would actually be a weirdly fun challenge.<br/>
	... I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down. ... I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the anarchist incident in order to defend it, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. ... Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it doesn't happen. ... so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. ... at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.		... I think the best place for this to start would be at the beginning, with the original two incidents. when Phoenix is a child lawyers exist and he sees the young Miles Edgeworth stand up for him, everything is the same at that point. then when he's in college he learns the law department is shutting down. ... I guess the vignette of Phoenix in college is quite literally just him trying to solve the mystery of what is going on with the law department and sort of mentally putting together a "corkboard" of everything for his own peace of mind. he runs into Mia as she is investigating the anarchist incident in order to defend it, in the traditional way lawyers always do in the games for some reason. and I guess because he wants to solve this thing he like, takes up the secretary / counsel role and decides to help her? we have the dynamic of Phoenix and Maya but literally reversed. ... Mia thinks there is going to be a trial but the commotion continues and it doesn't happen. ... so the two of them are having to figure out how to "defend" the anarchists in a new environment where the anarchists are sort of making all the rules now. ... at the end of this story arc Phoenix looks at a campus newspaper and learns that as he is graduating the law department really will be abolished. he is stunned. he looks back at the clipping he found about the 'demon prosecutor'. hoping he will not have to defeat his new enemy with violence, he vows to help bring Edgeworth down.

	~~{{li\|I=S1/Fy/ML\|Q=618}}Franziska von Karma becomes Communist theorist / ({{9k\|RD/Q64,49}})~~

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618}}phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom -> so today I found out they closed the extra toilet at the grocery store possibly for bigoted reasons. here is my revenge<br/>		{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618}}phoenix wright stuck in lawsuit over whether trans people get to use a bathroom -> so today I found out they closed the extra toilet at the grocery store possibly for bigoted reasons. here is my revenge<br/>
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