Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q64,30 - Revision history

Reversedragon: remove censor bars, top spoiler warning makes more sense

2026-04-23T23:43:14Z

remove censor bars, top spoiler warning makes more sense

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=64,41\|Q2=6441\|rem-E=Q64,41}}{{game\|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} (2001) [vol. 1]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=64,41\|Q2=6441\|rem-E=Q64,41}}{{game\|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} (2001) [vol. 1] [https://aceattorney.fandom.com/wiki/Phoenix_Wright:_Ace_Attorney]
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/Fy/MX\|Q=618}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists -> there is a really solid theme of [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] running through the first game, where various people hire somebody to do harm to somebody that they think is violating the established local rules of their career or business — in effect, businesses or Artisanal practices acting like tiny governments.<br/>
	the moment the Steel Samurai came up I couldn't help but think, this character must be very thematic. he has a color timer on him for no reason, which connects him to Ultraman series. but Ultraman series is futuristic. while Steel Samurai is deliberately medieval; it's based in these principles of feudal orders with emperors, dukes or counts, and knights. I think that contrast is intentional and meant to frame Ace Attorney as {{em\|feeling}} like it doesn't take place in 2001 because the characters' values are stuck hundreds of years before. now, you could have gotten that much from a magazine article; it's well known that the games are based on something called the ritsuryō system. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritsury%C5%8D] but when you get into the subtext of that is when things get really interesting. the ritsuryō system as a whole dates back to about the year 700; this places the characters' values approximately 1300 years before the game was made. 1300 years ago there was no United States. there was no global empire in its modern form (although Greek Egypt happened in about 300, so imperial colonies were already invented in more of a feudal form). Liberal-republicanism being an empire did not exist yet. Liberal-republicanism did not exist yet. we have to appreciate {{em\|how different}} the world was in 300 — the whole dynamic of the United States and Japan and Germany and China fighting as powerful republics didn't yet exist. so then, what is the significance of Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth coming in and applying these very Kantian or Liberal-republican values to a world which is stuck in the 700s? it's a symbolic transition to Liberalism — they are taking feudalism and attempting to transition it to Liberal-republicanism. but more than that. because all the characters have to be superficially modern to make the setting truly feel shocking, all the peripheral characters live in capitalism. they exist within corporations and skilled practices and "[[E:Careerist layer (meta-Marxism)\|Careerism]]". the peripheral characters may come out of something of a self-selected sample of people who have been near crimes, being detectives and witnesses and criminals, etc, but within them, you see a very clear theme pop up of almost all the lawbreakers suspect or not clearly trying to enforce particular rules themselves instead of letting the overarching republic do it. each lawbreaker, whether it's Redd White ~~{{censor\|~~carrying out blackmail that is probably not legal~~\|tts=[spoiler]}}~~ or von Karma ~~{{censor\|~~trying to get Hammond shot and Edgeworth in prison~~\|tts=[spoiler]}}~~, always has a particular notion of what order and justice are; the most offensive thing to them is not getting to perform [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] and having someone else "hierarchically" meddle in their affairs. this weirdly positions the criminals of the Ace Attorney series as some kind of anarchism. definitely not one of the best kinds of anarchism, it goes without saying that most charcoal anarchists would hate it. but that by itself isn't to say it isn't an anarchism. blue anarchism almost certainly exists. orange anarchism may exist. brown anarchism may exist. so the only question that remains is what kind of anarchism Wright and Edgeworth are fighting.		the moment the Steel Samurai came up I couldn't help but think, this character must be very thematic. he has a color timer on him for no reason, which connects him to Ultraman series. but Ultraman series is futuristic. while Steel Samurai is deliberately medieval; it's based in these principles of feudal orders with emperors, dukes or counts, and knights. I think that contrast is intentional and meant to frame Ace Attorney as {{em\|feeling}} like it doesn't take place in 2001 because the characters' values are stuck hundreds of years before. now, you could have gotten that much from a magazine article; it's well known that the games are based on something called the ritsuryō system. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritsury%C5%8D] but when you get into the subtext of that is when things get really interesting. the ritsuryō system as a whole dates back to about the year 700; this places the characters' values approximately 1300 years before the game was made. 1300 years ago there was no United States. there was no global empire in its modern form (although Greek Egypt happened in about 300, so imperial colonies were already invented in more of a feudal form). Liberal-republicanism being an empire did not exist yet. Liberal-republicanism did not exist yet. we have to appreciate {{em\|how different}} the world was in 300 — the whole dynamic of the United States and Japan and Germany and China fighting as powerful republics didn't yet exist. so then, what is the significance of Phoenix Wright and Edgeworth coming in and applying these very Kantian or Liberal-republican values to a world which is stuck in the 700s? it's a symbolic transition to Liberalism — they are taking feudalism and attempting to transition it to Liberal-republicanism. but more than that. because all the characters have to be superficially modern to make the setting truly feel shocking, all the peripheral characters live in capitalism. they exist within corporations and skilled practices and "[[E:Careerist layer (meta-Marxism)\|Careerism]]". the peripheral characters may come out of something of a self-selected sample of people who have been near crimes, being detectives and witnesses and criminals, etc, but within them, you see a very clear theme pop up of almost all the lawbreakers suspect or not clearly trying to enforce particular rules themselves instead of letting the overarching republic do it. each lawbreaker, whether it's Redd White carrying out blackmail that is probably not legal or von Karma trying to get Hammond shot and Edgeworth in prison, always has a particular notion of what order and justice are; the most offensive thing to them is not getting to perform [[E:direct oppression\|direct oppression]] and having someone else "hierarchically" meddle in their affairs. this weirdly positions the criminals of the Ace Attorney series as some kind of anarchism. definitely not one of the best kinds of anarchism, it goes without saying that most charcoal anarchists would hate it. but that by itself isn't to say it isn't an anarchism. blue anarchism almost certainly exists. orange anarchism may exist. brown anarchism may exist. so the only question that remains is what kind of anarchism Wright and Edgeworth are fighting.

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Reversedragon: Ace Attorney is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists

2026-04-23T23:37:03Z

Ace Attorney is a series about Liberal-republicans fighting brown anarchists

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Reversedragon: swatches

2026-04-23T08:45:15Z

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=64,30\|Q2=6430}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} (metaseries) -> I had no reason to add this until suddenly I was watching it just for context on 'cross-examine the parrot', and then was like, {{i\|oh wait, this game is about logic. it's not actually about real court procedure as much as it's about an abstract concept of "reason". which... makes it surprisingly relevant to a wiki about logic. ok. time to code it.}}		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=64,30\|Q2=6430}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} (metaseries) -> I had no reason to add this until suddenly I was watching it just for context on 'cross-examine the parrot', and then was like, {{i\|oh wait, this game is about logic. it's not actually about real court procedure as much as it's about an abstract concept of "reason". which... makes it surprisingly relevant to a wiki about logic. ok. time to code it.}}
	{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=64,30\|Q2=6430}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}}		{{li\|I=S1/IK\|Q=64,30\|Q2=6430}}{{game\|Ace Attorney}} -> field: fiction; field: Kantianism

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy~~/IV~~\|Q=64,41\|Q2=6441\|rem-E=Q64,41}}{{game\|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} (2001) [vol. 1]		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=64,41\|Q2=6441\|rem-E=Q64,41}}{{game\|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} (2001) [vol. 1]

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Reversedragon: Are narrative parallels admissible in court? / The unpredictability of Subjects will save the world

2026-04-23T08:43:17Z

Are narrative parallels admissible in court? / The unpredictability of Subjects will save the world

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 {{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=64,37|Q2=6437}}lawyer of injustice  ->  it's rarer you see {{em|this}} in fiction and yet Homestuck catapulted the idea into popular consciousness.
 {{li|I=S2/Fy/IV|Q=44,13|Q2=4413}}See through one lie, and their whole testimony falls apart / Lies always beget more lies. See through one, and their whole testimony falls apart ({{game|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} tutorial) {{YouTube|aha0iZQvMvY}}  ->  you know what joke I'm going to make.
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Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q6430 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q64,30: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-04-23T03:42:44Z

Reversedragon moved page Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q6430 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q64,30: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: copy markup from 9k/Q697

2026-04-23T03:42:27Z

copy markup from 9k/Q697

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{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=Ace Attorney|User=RD|E=Q64,30|Contents=y}}
== Main entry ==
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{{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy|Q=64,30|Q2=6430}}{{game|Ace Attorney}} (metaseries) -> I had no reason to add this until suddenly I was watching it just for context on 'cross-examine the parrot', and then was like, {{i|oh wait, this game is about logic. it's not actually about real court procedure as much as it's about an abstract concept of "reason". which... makes it surprisingly relevant to a wiki about logic. ok. time to code it.}}
{{li|I=S1/IK|Q=64,30|Q2=6430}}{{game|Ace Attorney}}

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{{li|start=y|I=S1/Fy|Q=64,29|Q2=6429}}lawyer of justice -> intuitive, because it's at least vaguely what their stated purpose is.

{{li|I=S1/DFy|Q=64,37|Q2=6437}}lawyer of injustice -> it's rarer you see {{em|this}} in fiction and yet Homestuck catapulted the idea into popular consciousness.

{{li|I=S2/Fy/IV|Q=44,13|Q2=4413}}See through one lie, and their whole testimony falls apart / Lies always beget more lies. See through one, and their whole testimony falls apart ({{game|Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney}} tutorial) {{YouTube|aha0iZQvMvY}} -> you know what joke I'm going to make.

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