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Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q66,23 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q66,23

2026-05-05T01:30:57Z

Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q66,23 to Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q66,23

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Reversedragon: remove Dess theory as there is a new page for Dess

2026-05-05T01:29:06Z

remove Dess theory as there is a new page for Dess

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	the only thing about this that doesn't work for me is that the hand holes have always been associated with Gaster. who is either the Opposer or the demiurge depending on the moment. hand holes do not equal holy light and noble sacrifice in Deltarune. and also, Noelle gets pinned to a hand? not a cross. a hand. hands almost equal Gaster too. "beware the man who speaks in hands". the stuff about not being able to find your hand. apparently with some weird implication that Gaster took it or something. like, piercing your hand and becoming a Roaring Knight beyond the veil of darkness could be yet another way Gaster speaks through hands.<br />		the only thing about this that doesn't work for me is that the hand holes have always been associated with Gaster. who is either the Opposer or the demiurge depending on the moment. hand holes do not equal holy light and noble sacrifice in Deltarune. and also, Noelle gets pinned to a hand? not a cross. a hand. hands almost equal Gaster too. "beware the man who speaks in hands". the stuff about not being able to find your hand. apparently with some weird implication that Gaster took it or something. like, piercing your hand and becoming a Roaring Knight beyond the veil of darkness could be yet another way Gaster speaks through hands.<br />
	apart from that I don't think we're supposed to read Noelle's suffering as meaningful, I can't disprove that she will die, or could die instead of Dess, or that this panel will confirm that Dess is not a man. all of those things are still possible. decent prediction.		apart from that I don't think we're supposed to read Noelle's suffering as meaningful, I can't disprove that she will die, or could die instead of Dess, or that this panel will confirm that Dess is not a man. all of those things are still possible. decent prediction.
	</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Knight is Dess lucid dreaming / The Roaring Knight is Dess becoming able to lucid-dream and take control of her physical form in the created world of Deltarune (their form; his form; Deltarune)

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

Reversedragon: show horror swatches

2026-05-05T00:43:31Z

show horror swatches

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	{{NextNineThousand\|PPPA=Noelle Holiday\|User=RD\|E=Q66,23\|NoContents=y}}		{{NextNineThousand\|PPPA=Noelle Holiday\|User=RD\|E=Q66,23\|NoContents=y}}
	== Main entry ==		== Main entry ==
	<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean">		<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean field_horror">

	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/UTDR\|Q=66,23\|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/UTDR\|Q=66,23\|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday
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	== Themes and motifs ==		== Themes and motifs ==
	<ol class="hue clean">		<ol class="hue clean field_horror">

	<li class="field_fantasy" data-qid="12,25" value="1225" data-dimension="S">character embodying abstract concept -> the prototypical example is "December Holiday" (12/25), or my fan character name "Piatya Holiday" (11/5), but it can be a little less specific than that. Princess Celestia (sun) would probably be another decent example. the rest of the MLP cast are... weird, because they're presented like they're supposed to be this and then the elements of harmony don't exactly matter to their character and they aren't really their concepts, they either have complexity or are at least about five-note characters. I half feel like Starlight counts though because she does begin at a single abstract concept: "worse Twilight".		<li class="field_fantasy" data-qid="12,25" value="1225" data-dimension="S">character embodying abstract concept -> the prototypical example is "December Holiday" (12/25), or my fan character name "Piatya Holiday" (11/5), but it can be a little less specific than that. Princess Celestia (sun) would probably be another decent example. the rest of the MLP cast are... weird, because they're presented like they're supposed to be this and then the elements of harmony don't exactly matter to their character and they aren't really their concepts, they either have complexity or are at least about five-note characters. I half feel like Starlight counts though because she does begin at a single abstract concept: "worse Twilight".
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	== Theories ==		== Theories ==
	<ol class="hue clean">		<ol class="hue clean field_horror">

	<li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Noelle will die and be resurrected / The girl will die, this holiday (prophecy panel prediction) / The girl will die winter holiday (prophecy panel prediction; Deltarune) ~~[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=~~gDPogkuP4Pw] -> yeah. that is one of the most convincing predictions I've seen anybody else make for what the missing panel is. it's very likely it could mention that recurring figure "the girl" or literally make a pun on December Holiday. and Noelle getting pinned up on the cross not-really-violently is definitely hard to ignore.<br />		<li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Noelle will die and be resurrected / The girl will die, this holiday (prophecy panel prediction) / The girl will die winter holiday (prophecy panel prediction; Deltarune) {{YouTube\|gDPogkuP4Pw}} -> yeah. that is one of the most convincing predictions I've seen anybody else make for what the missing panel is. it's very likely it could mention that recurring figure "the girl" or literally make a pun on December Holiday. and Noelle getting pinned up on the cross not-really-violently is definitely hard to ignore.<br />
	the only thing about this that doesn't work for me is that the hand holes have always been associated with Gaster. who is either the Opposer or the demiurge depending on the moment. hand holes do not equal holy light and noble sacrifice in Deltarune. and also, Noelle gets pinned to a hand? not a cross. a hand. hands almost equal Gaster too. "beware the man who speaks in hands". the stuff about not being able to find your hand. apparently with some weird implication that Gaster took it or something. like, piercing your hand and becoming a Roaring Knight beyond the veil of darkness could be yet another way Gaster speaks through hands.<br />		the only thing about this that doesn't work for me is that the hand holes have always been associated with Gaster. who is either the Opposer or the demiurge depending on the moment. hand holes do not equal holy light and noble sacrifice in Deltarune. and also, Noelle gets pinned to a hand? not a cross. a hand. hands almost equal Gaster too. "beware the man who speaks in hands". the stuff about not being able to find your hand. apparently with some weird implication that Gaster took it or something. like, piercing your hand and becoming a Roaring Knight beyond the veil of darkness could be yet another way Gaster speaks through hands.<br />
	apart from that I don't think we're supposed to read Noelle's suffering as meaningful, I can't disprove that she will die, or could die instead of Dess, or that this panel will confirm that Dess is not a man. all of those things are still possible. decent prediction.		apart from that I don't think we're supposed to read Noelle's suffering as meaningful, I can't disprove that she will die, or could die instead of Dess, or that this panel will confirm that Dess is not a man. all of those things are still possible. decent prediction.
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Reversedragon: Noelle will die and be resurrected

2026-04-05T04:48:35Z

Noelle will die and be resurrected

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	== Themes and motifs ==		== Themes and motifs ==

	<ol class="hue clean">		<ol class="hue clean">

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	{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Noelle lives in an ice palace / The "ice palace" is significant in the narrative in that it represents some kind of transformation of Noelle's house itself into a Dark World, or at least comparison of Noelle's house to something that will exist in the Dark World {{YouTube\|wgfe37AhLPo}}		{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Noelle lives in an ice palace / The "ice palace" is significant in the narrative in that it represents some kind of transformation of Noelle's house itself into a Dark World, or at least comparison of Noelle's house to something that will exist in the Dark World {{YouTube\|wgfe37AhLPo}}

			</li></ol>

			== Theories ==
			<ol class="hue clean">

			<li class="field_horror" value="618" data-dimension="S2">Noelle will die and be resurrected / The girl will die, this holiday (prophecy panel prediction) / The girl will die winter holiday (prophecy panel prediction; Deltarune) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPogkuP4Pw] -> yeah. that is one of the most convincing predictions I've seen anybody else make for what the missing panel is. it's very likely it could mention that recurring figure "the girl" or literally make a pun on December Holiday. and Noelle getting pinned up on the cross not-really-violently is definitely hard to ignore.<br />
			the only thing about this that doesn't work for me is that the hand holes have always been associated with Gaster. who is either the Opposer or the demiurge depending on the moment. hand holes do not equal holy light and noble sacrifice in Deltarune. and also, Noelle gets pinned to a hand? not a cross. a hand. hands almost equal Gaster too. "beware the man who speaks in hands". the stuff about not being able to find your hand. apparently with some weird implication that Gaster took it or something. like, piercing your hand and becoming a Roaring Knight beyond the veil of darkness could be yet another way Gaster speaks through hands.<br />
			apart from that I don't think we're supposed to read Noelle's suffering as meaningful, I can't disprove that she will die, or could die instead of Dess, or that this panel will confirm that Dess is not a man. all of those things are still possible. decent prediction.
			</li><li class="field_fantasy" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The Knight is Dess lucid dreaming / The Roaring Knight is Dess becoming able to lucid-dream and take control of her physical form in the created world of Deltarune (their form; his form; Deltarune)

	</li></ol>		</li></ol>

Reversedragon: Noelle lives in an ice palace

2026-03-20T00:25:51Z

Noelle lives in an ice palace

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			== Themes and motifs ==

			<ol class="hue clean">

			<li class="field_fantasy" data-qid="12,25" value="1225" data-dimension="S">character embodying abstract concept -> the prototypical example is "December Holiday" (12/25), or my fan character name "Piatya Holiday" (11/5), but it can be a little less specific than that. Princess Celestia (sun) would probably be another decent example. the rest of the MLP cast are... weird, because they're presented like they're supposed to be this and then the elements of harmony don't exactly matter to their character and they aren't really their concepts, they either have complexity or are at least about five-note characters. I half feel like Starlight counts though because she does begin at a single abstract concept: "worse Twilight".

			</li><li class="field_fantasy" data-qid="12,24" value="1224" data-dimension="S">calendar date as leitmotif -> "{{TTS\|tts=12-25\|1225}}", although it is mostly her sister's number.

			{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|class=field_horror\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Noelle lives in an ice palace / The "ice palace" is significant in the narrative in that it represents some kind of transformation of Noelle's house itself into a Dark World, or at least comparison of Noelle's house to something that will exist in the Dark World {{YouTube\|wgfe37AhLPo}}

			</li></ol>

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	== Ideologies or fields ==		== Ideologies or fields ==

Reversedragon: Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q6623 to User:RD/9k/Q66,23: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

2026-03-20T00:14:34Z

Reversedragon moved page User:RD/9k/Q6623 to User:RD/9k/Q66,23: Moving numbered Item to TTS-pronounceable title

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Reversedragon: copy markup from 9k/Q76,17

2026-03-20T00:14:23Z

copy markup from 9k/Q76,17

New page

{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=Noelle Holiday|User=RD|E=Q66,23|NoContents=y}}
== Main entry ==
<noinclude>{{HueCSS}}</noinclude><ol class="hue clean">

{{li|start=y|I=S1/UTDR|Q=66,23|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday
{{li|I=S1/UTDR|class=field_horror|Q=66,23|Q2=6623}}Noelle Holiday

</li></ol>

== Ideologies or fields ==


* Fy / urban fantasy
* (D)Fy / digital horror
* UTDR / Deltarune

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