Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q76,17 - Revision history

Reversedragon: fluffy ears — you should try it some time

2026-07-14T07:56:57Z

fluffy ears — you should try it some time

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	{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination / Alphys' leitmotif is not her own {{YouTube\|2mAoenE9v1s}} -> this is why it turned up in the bird theme and the basement themes. and why it seems to halfway show up in the battle theme. that one would be a coincidence except that the battle theme and the other themes {{em\|might}} be connected by Determination		{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination / Alphys' leitmotif is not her own {{YouTube\|2mAoenE9v1s}} -> this is why it turned up in the bird theme and the basement themes. and why it seems to halfway show up in the battle theme. that one would be a coincidence except that the battle theme and the other themes {{em\|might}} be connected by Determination

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy/LGBT\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}fluffy ears — you should try it some time -> very good catch. I think there are a {{em\|lot}} of hints that Kris being trans is set up on some kind of parallel track to Dess being trans and they are both going through some kind of process of "stepping outside the matrix" and learning to transform themselves, or resisting it {{YouTube\|h3sdnnYxJaA}}

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Reversedragon: Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination

2026-07-09T20:57:04Z

Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination

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	and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>		and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>
	the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?		the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Alphys' theme contains leitmotifs about Determination / Alphys' leitmotif is not her own {{YouTube\|2mAoenE9v1s}} -> this is why it turned up in the bird theme and the basement themes. and why it seems to halfway show up in the battle theme. that one would be a coincidence except that the battle theme and the other themes {{em\|might}} be connected by Determination

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Reversedragon: Asgore / Brandish

2026-07-06T10:48:52Z

Asgore / Brandish

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	</~~li><li data-qid~~="76,16~~" value~~="7616~~" class="field_fantasy" data-dimension="Z">~~<cite>[[Ontology:Q7616\|Undertale]]</cite>		{{li\|start=y\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=76,16\|Q2=7616}}<cite>[[Ontology:Q7616\|Undertale]]</cite>

	</li~~><li class~~=~~"field_fantasy" value~~="618~~" data-dimension~~=~~"Z">~~{{game\|Breath of Fire}}		{{li\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}{{game\|Breath of Fire}}

			{{li\|I=Z1/Fy\|Q=65,60\|Q2=6560}}{{game\|Brandish}}

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	{{li\|I=S1/UTDR/WD66\|Q=66,90\|Q2=6690}}[[E:Q6690\|The Roaring Knight]] / ({{9k\|RD/Q66,90}})		{{li\|I=S1/UTDR/WD66\|Q=66,90\|Q2=6690}}[[E:Q6690\|The Roaring Knight]] / ({{9k\|RD/Q66,90}})

			{{li\|I=S1/UTDR\|Q=65,32\|Q2=6532}}Asgore ({{game\|Deltarune}}) / ({{9k\|RD/Q6532}})

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Reversedragon: Asgore is going to parade their body around town

2026-07-06T10:25:48Z

Asgore is going to parade their body around town

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	and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>		and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>
	the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?		the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?

	{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}I'm going to parade their body around town (Chapter 5) / Asgore is going to parade their body around town (censored title) / {{i\|don't forget, I'll hit you with my car}} (generic) {{YouTube\|utscUy515YM}} -> I'm pretty sure this is an Asgore killed Dess joke. the Knight appears to just be a body, so if Asgore carried it around people would think he killed Dess. amazing. I wonder if toby knew about the deer car song. {{YouTube\|utscUy515YM}} he clearly made something more closely adapted to the lore than that but...?

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Reversedragon: Asgore is going to parade their body around town

2026-07-06T07:47:47Z

Asgore is going to parade their body around town

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	and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>		and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>
	the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?		the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?

			{{li\|I=S1/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}I'm going to parade their body around town (Chapter 5) / Asgore is going to parade their body around town (censored title) / {{i\|don't forget, I'll hit you with my car}} (generic) {{YouTube\|utscUy515YM}} -> I'm pretty sure this is an Asgore killed Dess joke. the Knight appears to just be a body, so if Asgore carried it around people would think he killed Dess. amazing. I wonder if toby knew about the deer car song. {{YouTube\|utscUy515YM}} he clearly made something more closely adapted to the lore than that but...?

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Reversedragon: Asriel wrong-warped to college

2026-07-05T01:36:50Z

Asriel wrong-warped to college

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	{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There is no Asriel (Deltarune) -> I doubt it goes that far! I bet Asriel just kinda.... went nowhere, came back with memories, and is now coming back. that would definitely explain why he might skip college and glitch out of reality to find Dess.		{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There is no Asriel (Deltarune) -> I doubt it goes that far! I bet Asriel just kinda.... went nowhere, came back with memories, and is now coming back. that would definitely explain why he might skip college and glitch out of reality to find Dess.

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Asriel wrong-warped to college -> now that chapter 5 is out... I think we have a very plausible explanation for where Asriel went. Asriel went looking for Dess, but what he did was glitch off the map, and somewhere in the middle of the prophecy correcting itself into its second version mentioning the Roaring, the game world placed Asriel down in college as the new place the warp went to. the correction happened in the space of a few seconds, perhaps just a few moments after Dess disappeared.<br/>
			and to be fair, if Asriel and Dess disappeared at the same time, and oops, mom got a message about asriel at college mysteriously that could not have happened logically, I can see how Kris and Noelle would be horrified.<br/>
			the only questions are... who is the voice in the code if not Asriel? and is there evidence that Asriel was still around after Dess disappeared?

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Reversedragon: Light World versus Dark World

2026-07-05T01:22:17Z

Light World versus Dark World

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	</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto Aa / meta-Marxism onto Jungianism" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The collective unconscious in fiction is an illusion created by the fact that all the characters actually emerge from a single real mind / ([[User:RD/9k/Q34,99\|9k]])		</li><li class="field_mdem" data-tradition="MX onto Aa / meta-Marxism onto Jungianism" value="618" data-dimension="S2">The collective unconscious in fiction is an illusion created by the fact that all the characters actually emerge from a single real mind / ([[User:RD/9k/Q34,99\|9k]])

			{{li\|I=S1/Fy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}Light World versus Dark World ({{game\|Deltarune}})

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Reversedragon: The Shadow Crystals are Gaster's tears / There is no Asriel (Deltarune)

2026-07-05T01:11:38Z

The Shadow Crystals are Gaster's tears / There is no Asriel (Deltarune)

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	{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|Q=64,09\|Q2=6409}}Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case {{em\|modified}} its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been		{{li\|I=S2/Fy\|Q=64,09\|Q2=6409}}Deltarune's inner narrative contains a retcon / Deltarune's metanarrative includes its characters already having wounded, warped, or in any case {{em\|modified}} its inner narrative so that the narrative the player sees when Deltarune first boots up is already not the original narrative that may have existed before the modification; this is to imply that "Gerson" knows the inner narrative can be changed because it already has been

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}The Shadow Crystals are Gaster's tears -> ok, depending on who Gaster is... if W.D. Gaster is Dess then it's probably true {{YouTube\|L6Uinh30v7g}}

			{{li\|I=S2/DFy\|Q=618\|Q2=618}}There is no Asriel (Deltarune) -> I doubt it goes that far! I bet Asriel just kinda.... went nowhere, came back with memories, and is now coming back. that would definitely explain why he might skip college and glitch out of reality to find Dess.

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Reversedragon: Deltarune and Twin Peaks

2026-07-02T09:07:44Z

Deltarune and Twin Peaks

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	</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Fy onto ES" value="618" data-dimension="S">if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza		</li><li class="field_exstruct" data-tradition="Fy onto ES" value="618" data-dimension="S">if I don't get out of this small town I'll be stuck working at ICE-E's Pizza

	~~</li><li class="field_horror" data-tradition="Fy" value="618" data-dimension="S">{{film\|Deltarune}} and {{film\|Twin Peaks}}~~

	</li><li class="field_horror" data-tradition="Fy, UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S">old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" {{YouTube\|XvHyMlyYuYo}} -> this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring		</li><li class="field_horror" data-tradition="Fy, UTDR" value="618" data-dimension="S">old scholars greyed by research forgotten / "Old scholars, greyed by research forgotten" {{YouTube\|XvHyMlyYuYo}} -> this line has to be more important than it seems, specifically because of the word "greyed". it normally has to do with age, but within the dark sanctuary it almost certainly refers to Goners of some kind. it comes up in the same chapter as Gerson going from being normal-dead to being a Goner in the context of a Dark World. it comes up in the vague vicinity of the room of organ monks that are all stone, which I feel like it's referring to. this line weirdly implies they were trying to learn something they weren't supposed to know. but there's only one stated way to become a Goner, which is leaving a Dark World. so there are only a few things you could be attempting to learn. A) what's beyond your world B) how to survive the Roaring personally C) how to stop the Roaring

Reversedragon: Deltarune and closets

2026-07-02T09:02:41Z

Deltarune and closets

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 {{li|start=y|I=S2/Aa|Q=618|Q2=618}}Jung described the subconscious as an ocean {{YouTube|5PiQpRUqhV8}}
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