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Russians are an idea

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX, MX onto P4\|Q=76,81\|Q2=7681\|h4 = Russians are not an idea }} / Russians are not an abstract concept that can be improved by thinking the concept over harder or that can be thrown away in favor of better more useful concepts; if the president of Russia is unsatisfied with Russians then he can only be unsatisfied with physical people on the terms of what is materially possible for a physical human individual -><br/>		{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX, MX onto P4\|Q=76,81\|Q2=7681\|h4 = Russians are shovels before dreams }} / Russians are shovels, not dreams / Russians are physical objects, not ideas / Russians are not an idea (generic) / Russians are not an abstract concept that can be improved by thinking the concept over harder or that can be thrown away in favor of better more useful concepts; if the president of Russia is unsatisfied with Russians then he can only be unsatisfied with physical people on the terms of what is materially possible for a physical human individual -><br/>
	really have to push back on Mr. Jiang's {{censor\|bullshit}} when he talks about Russia. he first said that Hegel's dialectic is Fukuyama's dialectic, which is questionable. then after a while he started talking about how Dugin and Putin need to restore the soul of Russia and that's why they send everyone to war to 'improve' people through a common goal. now one thing we need to be clear on is he isn't describing fascism just for the sake of advancing it, he's actually doing {{em\|meta-}}fascism; he's creating a general-purpose model of how fascism functions for no particular purpose, as ironic as that is considering the subject matter. but that said, if his meta model of fascism is to be correct or at least he believes it to be correct then he has to be insinuating that Russians are an Idea. because he reads Hegel through classical Menshevism, and he appears to believe that a dialectic is when two things contain Ideals and qualities and they fight each other to the death and then the victor appropriates all the loser's Ideals adapting them and distorting them to itself. (the funny thing is that is not entirely wrong if you look at it as the battle between proletarian civilization and bourgeois civilization; in that case things actually do kind of work that way. the main problem with his thinking is that he claims that the Ideas that lose are "extreme" and the ones that win are "the middle" which is a totally extraneous addition which doesn't explain anything and that the model is much more accurate without.) so, if dialectics really did work that way, as some kind of unholy cage match of Social-Philosophical Systems, and of basically anything that constitutes a Social-Philosophical System, then in order for Russia to survive and rebuild itself it would have to survive based on containing the best Ideals compared with other countries, and that would apply to the physical wars Russia gets into as a Social-Philosophical System — when "the philosophical" is incarnate inside real people. if dialectics really were Ideas fighting in a cage match they would continue to be Ideas fighting in a cage match when Materialism is introduced to the dialectic. but the physical thing is Russians; if Russia makes its Ideas stronger it must do it by making Russians stronger. so the end conclusion is that Russians are an idea. a physical person who is Russian is an idea. but that can't be true because that doesn't make any sense. you can kill a Russian. you can't physically kill an idea. you could kill every Russian and rid the world of Russians. but you can nearly never kill an idea once it's actually started to make changes in the world; no matter how much people hate it everyone will always continue knowing about it. ancient Egypt does not exist any more; China still exists. ideas don't work that way, because if archeologists ever figure out how to read an ancient text the ideas can wholly outlive the ancient kingdoms or villages that generated them. Russians are finite and ideas are not. I am sick of the way Putin is "wasting" them frankly. like, Russians are a finite resource that he thinks he has an infinite amount of, just, {{i\|give me the finest-grade Russians or I start throwing them away}}.<br/>		really have to push back on Mr. Jiang's {{censor\|bullshit}} when he talks about Russia. he first said that Hegel's dialectic is Fukuyama's dialectic, which is questionable. then after a while he started talking about how Dugin and Putin need to restore the soul of Russia and that's why they send everyone to war to 'improve' people through a common goal. now one thing we need to be clear on is he isn't describing fascism just for the sake of advancing it, he's actually doing {{em\|meta-}}fascism; he's creating a general-purpose model of how fascism functions for no particular purpose, as ironic as that is considering the subject matter. but that said, if his meta model of fascism is to be correct or at least he believes it to be correct then he has to be insinuating that Russians are an Idea. because he reads Hegel through classical Menshevism, and he appears to believe that a dialectic is when two things contain Ideals and qualities and they fight each other to the death and then the victor appropriates all the loser's Ideals adapting them and distorting them to itself. (the funny thing is that is not entirely wrong if you look at it as the battle between proletarian civilization and bourgeois civilization; in that case things actually do kind of work that way. the main problem with his thinking is that he claims that the Ideas that lose are "extreme" and the ones that win are "the middle" which is a totally extraneous addition which doesn't explain anything and that the model is much more accurate without.) so, if dialectics really did work that way, as some kind of unholy cage match of Social-Philosophical Systems, and of basically anything that constitutes a Social-Philosophical System, then in order for Russia to survive and rebuild itself it would have to survive based on containing the best Ideals compared with other countries, and that would apply to the physical wars Russia gets into as a Social-Philosophical System — when "the philosophical" is incarnate inside real people. if dialectics really were Ideas fighting in a cage match they would continue to be Ideas fighting in a cage match when Materialism is introduced to the dialectic. but the physical thing is Russians; if Russia makes its Ideas stronger it must do it by making Russians stronger. so the end conclusion is that Russians are an idea. a physical person who is Russian is an idea. but that can't be true because that doesn't make any sense. you can kill a Russian. you can't physically kill an idea. you could kill every Russian and rid the world of Russians. but you can nearly never kill an idea once it's actually started to make changes in the world; no matter how much people hate it everyone will always continue knowing about it. ancient Egypt does not exist any more; China still exists. ideas don't work that way, because if archeologists ever figure out how to read an ancient text the ideas can wholly outlive the ancient kingdoms or villages that generated them. Russians are finite and ideas are not. I am sick of the way Putin is "wasting" them frankly. like, Russians are a finite resource that he thinks he has an infinite amount of, just, {{i\|give me the finest-grade Russians or I start throwing them away}}.<br/>
	why does he treat Russians with such internalized racism about how useful or not useful they all are. forget what he does with Ukrainians, those are just target practice to him that don't matter when you see everything from inside the point of view of Russians. what I want to know is why he is so harsh on Russians that he wants to send significant fractions of them through the grinder when supposedly he's supposed to be setting them all up as a great people. one of those things suggests esteem for Russians and one of those things suggests utter contempt. those two things put together don't make any sense. unless you're going to divide Russia into different factions of people and you only want to grind up one of them. but I have a feeling that's a little closer to Marxism than those two ever bother to go. what part of Russia is he trying to save?		why does he treat Russians with such internalized racism about how useful or not useful they all are. forget what he does with Ukrainians, those are just target practice to him that don't matter when you see everything from inside the point of view of Russians. what I want to know is why he is so harsh on Russians that he wants to send significant fractions of them through the grinder when supposedly he's supposed to be setting them all up as a great people. one of those things suggests esteem for Russians and one of those things suggests utter contempt. those two things put together don't make any sense. unless you're going to divide Russia into different factions of people and you only want to grind up one of them. but I have a feeling that's a little closer to Marxism than those two ever bother to go. what part of Russia is he trying to save?
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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX, MX onto P4\|Q=76,80\|Q2=7680\|h4 = Russians are not an infinite resource }} -> some of these propositions are going to sound so crazy out of context, even as the great majority of them have a clear purpose for getting to some other proposition in context.		{{li\|I=S2/AS\|tradition=AS, PT, P4\|Q=76,79\|Q2=7679}}Russians are an idea / Russians are not an idea (exact inverse statement) -> here we can get into the actual arguments that this {{em\|is}} the case.

			{{li\|start=y\|I=S2/MX\|tradition=MX, MX onto P4\|Q=76,80\|Q2=7680\|h4 = Russians are a finite resource }} / Russians are not an infinite resource -> some of these propositions are going to sound so crazy out of context, even as the great majority of them have a clear purpose for getting to some other proposition in context.

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really have to push back on Mr. Jiang's {{censor|bullshit}} when he talks about Russia. he first said that Hegel's dialectic is Fukuyama's dialectic, which is questionable. then after a while he started talking about how Dugin and Putin need to restore the soul of Russia and that's why they send everyone to war to 'improve' people through a common goal. now one thing we need to be clear on is he isn't describing fascism just for the sake of advancing it, he's actually doing {{em|meta-}}fascism; he's creating a general-purpose model of how fascism functions for no particular purpose, as ironic as that is considering the subject matter. but that said, if his meta model of fascism is to be correct or at least he believes it to be correct then he has to be insinuating that Russians are an Idea. because he reads Hegel through classical Menshevism, and he appears to believe that a dialectic is when two things contain Ideals and qualities and they fight each other to the death and then the victor appropriates all the loser's Ideals adapting them and distorting them to itself. (the funny thing is that is not entirely wrong if you look at it as the battle between proletarian civilization and bourgeois civilization; in that case things actually do kind of work that way. the main problem with his thinking is that he claims that the Ideas that lose are "extreme" and the ones that win are "the middle" which is a totally extraneous addition which doesn't explain anything and that the model is much more accurate without.) so, if dialectics really did work that way, as some kind of unholy cage match of Social-Philosophical Systems, and of basically anything that constitutes a Social-Philosophical System, then in order for Russia to survive and rebuild itself it would have to survive based on containing the best Ideals compared with other countries, and that would apply to the physical wars Russia gets into as a Social-Philosophical System — when "the philosophical" is incarnate inside real people. if dialectics really were Ideas fighting in a cage match they would continue to be Ideas fighting in a cage match when Materialism is introduced to the dialectic. but the physical thing is Russians; if Russia makes its Ideas stronger it must do it by making Russians stronger. so the end conclusion is that Russians are an idea. a physical person who is Russian is an idea. but that can't be true because that doesn't make any sense. you can kill a Russian. you can't physically kill an idea. you could kill every Russian and rid the world of Russians. but you can nearly never kill an idea once it's actually started to make changes in the world; no matter how much people hate it everyone will always continue knowing about it. ancient Egypt does not exist any more; China still exists. ideas don't work that way, because if archeologists ever figure out how to read an ancient text the ideas can wholly outlive the ancient kingdoms or villages that generated them. Russians are finite and ideas are not. I am sick of the way Putin is "wasting" them frankly. like, Russians are a finite resource that he thinks he has an infinite amount of, just, {{i|give me the finest-grade Russians or I start throwing them away}}.<br/>
why does he treat Russians with such internalized racism about how useful or not useful they all are. forget what he does with Ukrainians, those are just target practice to him that don't matter when you see everything from inside the point of view of Russians. what I want to know is why he is so harsh on Russians that he wants to send significant fractions of them through the grinder when supposedly he's supposed to be setting them all up as a great people. one of those things suggests esteem for Russians and one of those things suggests utter contempt. those two things put together don't make any sense. unless you're going to divide Russia into different factions of people and you only want to grind up one of them. but I have a feeling that's a little closer to Marxism than those two ever bother to go. what part of Russia is he trying to save?

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