Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q778 - Revision history

Reversedragon: Freedom cannot be possessed / definitions of freedom

2026-05-08T06:17:54Z

Freedom cannot be possessed / definitions of freedom

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 {{li|I=S2/MX/A|Q=618}}Government cannot create liberty / Formal government cannot create freedom; it cannot create the ability to act and choose freely (anarchism, meta-Marxism)  ->  this is the crux of the three-way conflict between anarchism, Communism, and Liberal-republicanism. Liberal-republicanism uniquely believes that government can create Liberty. anarchism often does not believe that, and believes that some tiny-scale process such as The Subject is responsible for creating Freedom/Liberty while formal government can only take it away or at least act in contradiction to it. however, when faced with Bolshevism, anarchism and Liberal-republicanism have similar reactions — both of them tend to aggressively turn into "[[E:Freedom cannot be possessed; it must come in the form of destroying something else|anarchism]]" and insist that Bolshevism is killing The Subject and must be [[E:Zinovievizing (early Trotskyism, Liberal-republicanism)|Zinovievized]] in order to create Freedom From Communism.<br/>
 in this sense, Liberal-republicanism is a deep contradiction. on one hand, Liberal-republicanism tries to insist at various times that because "democracy" is capable of creating Freedom and poverty is a lack of Freedom it must be that "democracy" can socially construct a lack of poverty. on the other, it can only actually try to achieve that end through actions that attack Freedom. nobody who supports Liberal-republicanism wants to acknowledge this, although it is an inevitable thing to recognize if you adhere to Liberal-republican frameworks. Liberal-republicanism is not founded on any generalized concept of social progress, but strictly on concepts of peace and Freedom. so if Liberal-republicanism has to do anything that limits Freedom even for the purpose of protecting Freedom it becomes a really big problem. Liberal-republican theory is almost entirely the study of Freedom. this makes it very difficult to push anything that doesn't revolve around Freedom, such as Marxism, in a country that has adopted Liberal-republicanism, although things that do happen to revolve around Freedom such as anarchism have a somewhat easier time. so here's the part absolutely everybody misses: that's a catastrophe. that's not okay. Freedom itself is a heavily incoherent concept which is itself almost inherently built on intolerance and [[E:Zinovievizing|destruction]]. having to work with a national culture that has built itself on Freedom is actually in and of itself an apocalyptic, world-threatening proposition.
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Reversedragon: Government cannot create liberty

2026-05-08T06:11:05Z

Government cannot create liberty

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Reversedragon: formatting

2026-05-08T06:08:37Z

formatting

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	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" value~~="778~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~freedom (top-level category) -> one of the only terms worse than [[E:Q777\|free will]] in terms of how many definitions it has. genuinely don't use this except to list the category on category pages		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ES\|tradition=LR, IK, ES, A\|Q=778\|Q2=778\|h4= freedom }} (top-level category) -> one of the only terms worse than [[E:Q777\|free will]] in terms of how many definitions it has. genuinely don't use this Item except to list the category on category pages
			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/ES\|Q=778\|Q2=778}}freedom -> tradition: {{a\|E=Liberal-republicanism}} (LR), {{a\|E=Kantianism}} (IK), {{a\|E=Existentialist-Structuralist tradition}} (ES), {{a\|E=anarchism}} (A)<br/>
			any philosophy can {{em\|talk about}} this concept, obviously, but these are the main ones that popularized it or insist on it

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			\|I=S1/HAS/PT\|Q=579\|Q2=579\|h4= unfitting action }} (truth value) / vicious individual action
			{{li\|I=S1/HM/PT\|Q=575\|Q2=575\|h4= does not promote freedom }} (truth value)

	</li~~><li class="field_nations" value="579" data-dimension~~=~~"S">unfitting action (truth value)~~ / ~~vicious individual action~~		{{li\|I=S1/HAS\|Q=580\|Q2=580\|h4= fitting action }} (truth value) / virtuous individual action
	~~</li><li class~~=~~"field_nations" value="575" data-dimension="S">does not promote freedom (truth value)~~		{{li\|I=S1/HM/A \|Q=576\|Q2=576\|h4= promotes freedom }} (truth value)
	~~</li><li class~~=~~"field_exstruct" value="~~580~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~fitting action (truth value) / virtuous individual action
	</~~li><li class~~=~~"field_anarchy" value~~="576~~" data-dimension~~=~~"S">~~promotes freedom (truth value)

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Reversedragon: copy markup from 9k/Q697

2026-05-08T05:50:34Z

copy markup from 9k/Q697

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{{NextNineThousand|PPPA=freedom|User=RD|E=Q778|Contents=y}}
== Main entry ==
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</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="778" data-dimension="S">freedom (top-level category) -> one of the only terms worse than [[E:Q777|free will]] in terms of how many definitions it has. genuinely don't use this except to list the category on category pages

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== Definitions of freedom ==


== Freedom and Habermasian logic ==
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</li><li class="field_nations" value="579" data-dimension="S">unfitting action (truth value) / vicious individual action
</li><li class="field_nations" value="575" data-dimension="S">does not promote freedom (truth value)
</li><li class="field_exstruct" value="580" data-dimension="S">fitting action (truth value) / virtuous individual action
</li><li class="field_anarchy" value="576" data-dimension="S">promotes freedom (truth value)

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