Ontology talk:9k/RD/Q90 - Revision history

Reversedragon: original prototype notes

2026-08-13T04:40:08Z

original prototype notes

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90}}named Marxism -> I keep saying this and I never properly stop and explain it.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S0/ML\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90}}named Marxism / Marxism differentiated for country conditions (generic) / Marxist tendency (meta-Marxism) / Marxist sect (generic) -> save the concept of named Trotskyisms for the 4000s range

			{{li\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90}}named Marxism -> I keep saying this and I never properly stop and explain it.

	{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=MX, MX onto IV\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= named Marxism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q28,99}}) -> ... a named Marxism refers to a Marxist-tendency {{em\|object}}. like, you take a Marxist party, you zoom out on it, you circle the whole thing. that is part of defining what a named Marxism is: the border around the party turns it into a literal named Marxist tendency, like whatever the party is called, or "these are the Trotskyites", "these are the Maoists". the other part of defining what a named Marxism is is the physical content of the Marxist-tendency object in terms of objects and processes. if a party contains Marxist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains {{em\|Trotskyist}} theorists and no Stalinist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains people who insist on infiltrating the British Labour Party, that might be party of its structure. if we're back in 1920 and a party has won over a group of soviets, or taken over a cluster of business territories it will have to defend from the [[E:White Army (Russian Empire)\|White Army]], that would be part of its structure. whatever physical strategies a party actually uses or how and whether it forms connections to other parties is part of its definition as a "named Marxism". so... a Fourth International is part of the structure of a named Marxism. and [[EC:9k/RDIntoInsanity\|I would now argue]] it's a surprisingly important part, actually.		{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=MX, MX onto IV\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= named Marxism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q28,99}}) -> ... a named Marxism refers to a Marxist-tendency {{em\|object}}. like, you take a Marxist party, you zoom out on it, you circle the whole thing. that is part of defining what a named Marxism is: the border around the party turns it into a literal named Marxist tendency, like whatever the party is called, or "these are the Trotskyites", "these are the Maoists". the other part of defining what a named Marxism is is the physical content of the Marxist-tendency object in terms of objects and processes. if a party contains Marxist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains {{em\|Trotskyist}} theorists and no Stalinist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains people who insist on infiltrating the British Labour Party, that might be party of its structure. if we're back in 1920 and a party has won over a group of soviets, or taken over a cluster of business territories it will have to defend from the [[E:White Army (Russian Empire)\|White Army]], that would be part of its structure. whatever physical strategies a party actually uses or how and whether it forms connections to other parties is part of its definition as a "named Marxism". so... a Fourth International is part of the structure of a named Marxism. and [[EC:9k/RDIntoInsanity\|I would now argue]] it's a surprisingly important part, actually.

Reversedragon: molecular Marxism

2026-08-13T04:35:33Z

molecular Marxism

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= infra-Marxism }} -> a named Marxism and an infra-Marxism are basically the same thing referred to in different ways. a named Marxism refers to the party or movement object itself. an infra-Marxism would be the theories that object is making about itself that are sometimes accurate and sometimes incorrect because a party limited to a particular region sometimes doesn't grasp the rest of the world. yes... Stalin's Marxism and Hoxhaism are the prototypical infra-Marxist theories, followed by Trotskyist parties with botched understandings of how to form Leninist movements locally. meta-Marxism studies and criticizes infra-Marxist theories (the writings, speeches and conferences, or models) along with analyzing named Marxisms or Marxist-tendency objects (the physical objects or events), so that particular infra-Marxisms can be joined together or "overcome" (that is a figure of speech, I'm not suggesting any particular violent action against Stalinists) to create a larger "named Marxism" of sorts that is more capable of expanding into international permanent revolution than it was previously. infra-Marxisms or named Marxisms are not joined into "a meta-Marxism", they're always basically joined into another infra-Marxism or named Marxism, but if that infra-Marxism is very very good then its named Marxism is considered a molecular Marxism. ...now I have to unpack that one, don't I. oh no.		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=MX, MX onto IV, IV\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= infra-Marxism }} -> a named Marxism and an infra-Marxism are basically the same thing referred to in different ways. a named Marxism refers to the party or movement object itself. an infra-Marxism would be the theories that object is making about itself that are sometimes accurate and sometimes incorrect because a party limited to a particular region sometimes doesn't grasp the rest of the world. yes... Stalin's Marxism and Hoxhaism are the prototypical infra-Marxist theories, followed by Trotskyist parties with botched understandings of how to form Leninist movements locally. meta-Marxism studies and criticizes infra-Marxist theories (the writings, speeches and conferences, or models) along with analyzing named Marxisms or Marxist-tendency objects (the physical objects or events), so that particular infra-Marxisms can be joined together or "overcome" (that is a figure of speech, I'm not suggesting any particular violent action against Stalinists) to create a larger "named Marxism" of sorts that is more capable of expanding into international permanent revolution than it was previously. infra-Marxisms or named Marxisms are not joined into "a meta-Marxism", they're always basically joined into another infra-Marxism or named Marxism, but if that infra-Marxism is very very good then its named Marxism is considered a molecular Marxism. ...now I have to unpack that one, don't I. oh no.

	{{li\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=19,92\|Q2=1992\|h4= molecular Marxism }}		{{li\|I=S0/MX\|tradition=\|Q=19,92\|Q2=1992\|h4= [[E:Q1992\|molecular Marxism]] }} / molecularized Marxism -> a molecular Marxism is a named Marxism that has come to fully understand itself and remove theoretical distortions that create separations between a named Marxism as a physical object and its infra-Marxist theories. once you get a molecular Marxism, it's completely conscious of itself, or at least it's conscious of itself to the full extent it could possibly need to be. the party or organization more or less comprehends itself {{em\|through}} meta-Marxism rather than an infra-Marxism. it might do this by gaining a better understanding of the internal processes inside a party or inside a regional civilization, or by gaining a better understanding of the relationships between all the processes inside it and the outside world. when Trotsky asks workers' states to understand the effect of foreign trade from capitalist countries going into the Soviet Union (for instance) and affecting its internal network of production structures, he is making a step toward meta-Marxism / molecular Marxism. he is also making a step toward meta-Marxism, if maybe a smaller one, just by acknowledging the distortions in consciousness that come with parties rejecting the Fourth International versus what happens when you make a real effort to build the Fourth International. having a good foundation for understanding the socio-economic structure of workers' states in transition, like in Marx's {{book\|Capital}}, is a good step toward taking a particular Marxist movement and making it into a molecular Marxism; Marxism in general becomes meta-Marxism if you really do it right.<br/>
			meanwhile, one of the only things that absolutely is not meta-Marxism and absolutely is not leading to molecular Marxisms is that thing where some Stalinist parties forget they're even Marxists and just start turning into a simple social justice movement for Third World peasants that mysteriously exists in the First World, or turning factory workers into a demographic identity rather than understanding them through a proper Materialist understanding of what capital is and what production structures are. if something is against Marxism in the first place it isn't meta-Marxism.

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Reversedragon: infra-Marxism

2026-08-13T04:19:25Z

infra-Marxism

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	{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=~~618~~\|Q2=~~618~~}}named Marxism		{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90}}named Marxism -> I keep saying this and I never properly stop and explain it.

			{{li\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=MX, MX onto IV\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= named Marxism }} / ({{9k\|RD/Q28,99}}) -> ... a named Marxism refers to a Marxist-tendency {{em\|object}}. like, you take a Marxist party, you zoom out on it, you circle the whole thing. that is part of defining what a named Marxism is: the border around the party turns it into a literal named Marxist tendency, like whatever the party is called, or "these are the Trotskyites", "these are the Maoists". the other part of defining what a named Marxism is is the physical content of the Marxist-tendency object in terms of objects and processes. if a party contains Marxist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains {{em\|Trotskyist}} theorists and no Stalinist theorists, that is part of its structure. if a party contains people who insist on infiltrating the British Labour Party, that might be party of its structure. if we're back in 1920 and a party has won over a group of soviets, or taken over a cluster of business territories it will have to defend from the [[E:White Army (Russian Empire)\|White Army]], that would be part of its structure. whatever physical strategies a party actually uses or how and whether it forms connections to other parties is part of its definition as a "named Marxism". so... a Fourth International is part of the structure of a named Marxism. and [[EC:9k/RDIntoInsanity\|I would now argue]] it's a surprisingly important part, actually.

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			{{li\|start=y\|I=S1/MX/IV\|tradition=\|Q=90\|Q2=90\|h4= infra-Marxism }} -> a named Marxism and an infra-Marxism are basically the same thing referred to in different ways. a named Marxism refers to the party or movement object itself. an infra-Marxism would be the theories that object is making about itself that are sometimes accurate and sometimes incorrect because a party limited to a particular region sometimes doesn't grasp the rest of the world. yes... Stalin's Marxism and Hoxhaism are the prototypical infra-Marxist theories, followed by Trotskyist parties with botched understandings of how to form Leninist movements locally. meta-Marxism studies and criticizes infra-Marxist theories (the writings, speeches and conferences, or models) along with analyzing named Marxisms or Marxist-tendency objects (the physical objects or events), so that particular infra-Marxisms can be joined together or "overcome" (that is a figure of speech, I'm not suggesting any particular violent action against Stalinists) to create a larger "named Marxism" of sorts that is more capable of expanding into international permanent revolution than it was previously. infra-Marxisms or named Marxisms are not joined into "a meta-Marxism", they're always basically joined into another infra-Marxism or named Marxism, but if that infra-Marxism is very very good then its named Marxism is considered a molecular Marxism. ...now I have to unpack that one, don't I. oh no.

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Reversedragon: copy markup from Q90

2026-08-13T03:29:22Z

copy markup from Q90

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