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 . the only real way to control human beings is populational governments. nothing else can implant or stop the independent behavior of a human individual, and anything else which tries — such as churches — becomes equivalent to a populational government at the subpopulational scale.
-. nation-states are based in forcibly keeping individuals from attacking any population of people. this is even true of workers' states once Trotskyites appear.
+. nation-states are based in forcibly [[E:general-sense psychoanalyst|keeping individuals from attacking any population of people]]. this is even true of workers' states once Trotskyites appear.
-. people arbitrarily believe that things which aren't attacks on a population <em>are</em> malicious attacks - copyright conflicts, a progressive subpopulation trying to pass disease prevention measures while following all the rules of Liberal-republicanism, emergences of new forms of culture such as not going to restaurants, people believing the wrong religion because that's 'totally' attacking another one, gay prostitutes being a scourge on Cuba.
+. people arbitrarily believe that things which aren't attacks on a population <em>are</em> malicious attacks - copyright conflicts, a progressive subpopulation [[E:Covid measures were devised to create Bolshevism|trying to pass disease prevention measures]] while following all the rules of Liberal-republicanism, emergences of new forms of culture such as not going to restaurants, people believing the wrong religion because that's 'totally' attacking another one, gay prostitutes being a scourge on Cuba.
 . populational governments are used [[Term:leaping-state process|to suppress the false-positive activities of other populations]]. various other populations and populational governments get very upset, but they can't directly affect the behavior of the underlying population of people that decided to feel attacked and formed a hard-shelled "crab" with a brain and weapons to suppress them. the problem is not the shells, it's not the crabs existing, it's the precise way people behave deep inside the population to <em>create</em> the crabs before the crabs are created. once the crabs are created it's far too late and nothing can be solved by pointing fingers at the crabs. Liberal-republicanism, "social democracy", anarchism, Trotskyism, and even anti-religion theories all generally point at the crabs.
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	~~<pre>one of the world's greatest problems:~~

	1. humanity needs a method for controlling history — for making populations stop fighting wars and individuals stop attacking each other in blood feuds and crimes. Christianity tried to explain and be this. Buddhism tried to explain and be this. mainstream Marxism-Leninism tried to explain and be this. Trotskyism tried to explain and be this. Lacanianism clumsily tried to be this, working purely with individuals and denying factions and nation-states. people keep periodically trying over and over to invent this thing from different angles every century. each time they fail, each time they become convinced it's other people's fault they didn't succeed, each time someone eventually starts on the same thing again.		<div class="bop top bottom">
			<h3><time datetime="2025-08-15T21:54:36Z">8-15</time></h3>
			<div class="bop-text">one of the world's greatest problems:

			1. humanity needs a method for controlling history — for making populations stop fighting wars and individuals stop attacking each other in blood feuds and crimes. Christianity tried to explain and be this. Buddhism tried to explain and be this. mainstream Marxism-Leninism tried to explain and be this. Trotskyism tried to explain and be this. Lacanianism clumsily tried to be this, working purely with individuals and denying factions and nation-states. anarchism tried [[:Category:Existentialist-Structuralist tradition ontology\|about ten times]] to be this and every time got captured by the bourgeoisie and morphed into Existentialism. people keep periodically trying over and over to invent this thing from different angles every century. each time they fail, each time they become convinced it's other people's fault they didn't succeed, each time someone eventually starts on the same thing again.

	2. the only real way to control human beings is populational governments. nothing else can implant or stop the independent behavior of a human individual, and anything else which tries — such as churches — becomes equivalent to a populational government at the subpopulational scale.		2. the only real way to control human beings is populational governments. nothing else can implant or stop the independent behavior of a human individual, and anything else which tries — such as churches — becomes equivalent to a populational government at the subpopulational scale.
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	3. nation-states are based in forcibly keeping individuals from attacking any population of people. this is even true of workers' states once Trotskyites appear.		3. nation-states are based in forcibly keeping individuals from attacking any population of people. this is even true of workers' states once Trotskyites appear.

	4. people arbitrarily believe that things which /aren't/ attacks on a population /are/ attacks - copyright conflicts, a progressive subpopulation trying to pass disease prevention measures while following all the rules of Liberal-republicanism, emergences of new forms of culture such as not going to restaurants, people believing the wrong religion because that's 'totally' attacking another one, gay prostitutes being a scourge on Cuba.		4. people arbitrarily believe that things which aren't attacks on a population <em>are</em> malicious attacks - copyright conflicts, a progressive subpopulation trying to pass disease prevention measures while following all the rules of Liberal-republicanism, emergences of new forms of culture such as not going to restaurants, people believing the wrong religion because that's 'totally' attacking another one, gay prostitutes being a scourge on Cuba.

	5. populational governments are used to suppress the false-positive activities of other populations. various other populations and populational governments get very upset, but they can't directly affect the behavior of the underlying population of people that decided to feel attacked and formed a hard-shelled "crab" with a brain and weapons to suppress them. the problem is not the shells, it's not the crabs existing, it's the precise way people behave deep inside the population to ~~_create_~~ the crabs before the crabs are created. once the crabs are created it's far too late and nothing can be solved by pointing fingers at the crabs. Liberal-republicanism, "social democracy", anarchism, Trotskyism, and even anti-religion theories all generally point at the crabs.		5. populational governments are used [[Term:leaping-state process\|to suppress the false-positive activities of other populations]]. various other populations and populational governments get very upset, but they can't directly affect the behavior of the underlying population of people that decided to feel attacked and formed a hard-shelled "crab" with a brain and weapons to suppress them. the problem is not the shells, it's not the crabs existing, it's the precise way people behave deep inside the population to <em>create</em> the crabs before the crabs are created. once the crabs are created it's far too late and nothing can be solved by pointing fingers at the crabs. Liberal-republicanism, "social democracy", anarchism, Trotskyism, and even anti-religion theories all generally point at the crabs.

	no theory that points at the crabs will actually stop there from being crabs. at the same time no theory that goes digging deep into the cells of the crabs for Ideas will stop them either. there will always be a pile of crab-cells and a crab-brain, and you can't stop that, while as long as there is more than one crab forming truly separately they will form shells and weapons, because they can't predict each other, and they can't predict whether they'll attack each other.		no theory that points at the crabs will actually stop there from being crabs. at the same time no theory that goes digging deep into the cells of the crabs for Ideas will stop them either. there will always be a pile of crab-cells and a crab-brain, and you can't stop that, while as long as there is more than one crab forming truly separately they will form shells and weapons, because they can't predict each other, and they can't predict whether they'll attack each other.
	the one thing that potentially can be controlled is how the crab cells assemble into a brain. you have the crab cells you have. but you can assemble them into different kinds of crabs. this alone seems like the way to assemble everyone into a layout which doesn't culminate in separate hostile crabs that inevitably kill each other.</~~pre~~>		the one thing that potentially can be controlled is how the crab cells assemble into a brain. you have the crab cells you have. but you can assemble them into different kinds of crabs. this alone seems like the way to assemble everyone into a layout which doesn't culminate in separate hostile crabs that inevitably kill each other.
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	1. humanity needs a method for controlling history — for making populations stop fighting wars and individuals stop attacking each other in blood feuds and crimes. Christianity tried to explain and be this. Buddhism tried to explain and be this. mainstream Marxism-Leninism tried to explain and be this. Trotskyism tried to explain and be this. Lacanianism clumsily tried to be this, working purely with individuals and denying factions and nation-states. people keep periodically trying over and over to invent this thing from different angles every century. each time they fail, each time they become convinced it's other people's fault they didn't succeed, each time someone eventually starts on the same thing again.		1. humanity needs a method for controlling history — for making populations stop fighting wars and individuals stop attacking each other in blood feuds and crimes. Christianity tried to explain and be this. Buddhism tried to explain and be this. mainstream Marxism-Leninism tried to explain and be this. Trotskyism tried to explain and be this. Lacanianism clumsily tried to be this, working purely with individuals and denying factions and nation-states. people keep periodically trying over and over to invent this thing from different angles every century. each time they fail, each time they become convinced it's other people's fault they didn't succeed, each time someone eventually starts on the same thing again.
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	no theory that points at the crabs will actually stop there from being crabs. at the same time no theory that goes digging deep into the cells of the crabs for Ideas will stop them either. there will always be a pile of crab-cells and a crab-brain, and you can't stop that, while as long as there is more than one crab forming truly separately they will form shells and weapons, because they can't predict each other, and they can't predict whether they'll attack each other.		no theory that points at the crabs will actually stop there from being crabs. at the same time no theory that goes digging deep into the cells of the crabs for Ideas will stop them either. there will always be a pile of crab-cells and a crab-brain, and you can't stop that, while as long as there is more than one crab forming truly separately they will form shells and weapons, because they can't predict each other, and they can't predict whether they'll attack each other.
	the one thing that potentially can be controlled is how the crab cells assemble into a brain. you have the crab cells you have. but you can assemble them into different kinds of crabs. this alone seems like the way to assemble everyone into a layout which doesn't culminate in separate hostile crabs that inevitably kill each other.		the one thing that potentially can be controlled is how the crab cells assemble into a brain. you have the crab cells you have. but you can assemble them into different kinds of crabs. this alone seems like the way to assemble everyone into a layout which doesn't culminate in separate hostile crabs that inevitably kill each other.</pre>

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<pre>one of the world's greatest problems:

1. humanity needs a method for controlling history — for making populations stop fighting wars and individuals stop attacking each other in blood feuds and crimes. Christianity tried to explain and be this. Buddhism tried to explain and be this. mainstream Marxism-Leninism tried to explain and be this. Trotskyism tried to explain and be this. Lacanianism clumsily tried to be this, working purely with individuals and denying factions and nation-states. people keep periodically trying over and over to invent this thing from different angles every century. each time they fail, each time they become convinced it's other people's fault they didn't succeed, each time someone eventually starts on the same thing again.

2. the only real way to control human beings is populational governments. nothing else can implant or stop the independent behavior of a human individual, and anything else which tries — such as churches — becomes equivalent to a populational government at the subpopulational scale.

3. nation-states are based in forcibly keeping individuals from attacking any population of people. this is even true of workers' states once Trotskyites appear.

4. people arbitrarily believe that things which /aren't/ attacks on a population /are/ attacks - copyright conflicts, a progressive subpopulation trying to pass disease prevention measures while following all the rules of Liberal-republicanism, emergences of new forms of culture such as not going to restaurants, people believing the wrong religion because that's 'totally' attacking another one, gay prostitutes being a scourge on Cuba.

5. populational governments are used to suppress the false-positive activities of other populations. various other populations and populational governments get very upset, but they can't directly affect the behavior of the underlying population of people that decided to feel attacked and formed a hard-shelled "crab" with a brain and weapons to suppress them. the problem is not the shells, it's not the crabs existing, it's the precise way people behave deep inside the population to _create_ the crabs before the crabs are created. once the crabs are created it's far too late and nothing can be solved by pointing fingers at the crabs. Liberal-republicanism, "social democracy", anarchism, Trotskyism, and even anti-religion theories all generally point at the crabs.

no theory that points at the crabs will actually stop there from being crabs. at the same time no theory that goes digging deep into the cells of the crabs for Ideas will stop them either. there will always be a pile of crab-cells and a crab-brain, and you can't stop that, while as long as there is more than one crab forming truly separately they will form shells and weapons, because they can't predict each other, and they can't predict whether they'll attack each other.
the one thing that potentially can be controlled is how the crab cells assemble into a brain. you have the crab cells you have. but you can assemble them into different kinds of crabs. this alone seems like the way to assemble everyone into a layout which doesn't culminate in separate hostile crabs that inevitably kill each other.

=> research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?title=Term:Crab
=> research.moraleconomy.au/index.php?title=Philosophical_Research:MDem/5.1r/1999_crabs
:: cr. 2025-08-15T21:54:36Z
:: t. v5-1_1999_crabs
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