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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Why would you do that instead of just abolishing God?</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Why would you do that instead of just abolishing God?</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Because democracy isn't about killing kings or kicking kings out, it was always about getting every single individual to perform the correct morality. I'm sure you're aware center-Liberals weren't in favor of dethroning the Tsar? Every modern republic preserves its king or queen.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Because democracy isn't about killing kings or kicking kings out, it was always about getting every single individual to perform the correct morality. I'm sure you're aware center-Liberals weren't in favor of dethroning the Russian Tsar? Every modern republic preserves its king or queen.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Then how do I get my uncle to believe in United States independence?</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Then how do I get my uncle to believe in United States independence?</dd></div>
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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Because prejudices outlaw questioning the existing ontology containing prejudices. Bad ontologies containing prejudices build up, and become their own protective mechanism against questioning them.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Because prejudices outlaw questioning the existing ontology containing prejudices. Bad ontologies containing prejudices build up, and become their own protective mechanism against questioning them. <ref group="n" name="o" /></dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>But if prejudices outlaw questioning prejudices, and it's taken people hundreds of years to figure out they had prejudices, how do we know anybody will be able to question prejudices <em>now</em>?</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>But if prejudices outlaw questioning prejudices, and it's taken people hundreds of years to figure out they had prejudices, how do we know anybody will be able to question prejudices <em>now</em>?</dd></div>
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			<ref group="n" name="o">"ontology" / motif of only using honest framings: here I started taking things center-Liberals say and wording them specifically in meta-Marxist language and framings instead of in any of the language center-Liberals, Menshevik types, anarchists, schizoanalysts and miscellaneous members of the hypothesized Existentialist-Structuralist tradition use. I find that this makes analyzing what they are actually saying a lot easier.</ref>
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	[*] This is a [[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.1r/1999_life-manual\|B-side chapter]], but I'm still figuring out what chapter with what number is the A-side.		[*] This is a [[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.1r/1999_life-manual\|B-side chapter]], but I'm still figuring out what chapter with what number is the A-side.

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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Like what?</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>Like what?</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>For one, it would be a lot more difficult to understand how and why the government engineered a special microchip tracking program than to understand the real science behind vaccines. What would the government gain from these microchips that's more useful than driver's licenses or credit card numbers? If the microchips are monitoring every ~~movement~~, wouldn't that be way too much data to practically sort through? What patterns would there be in the data? Is it being sold? If it <em>is</em> being sold, then wouldn't it be directly between the pharmaceutical corporations and other corporations without involving the government? Why is it that most of these people who are so afraid of microchips are fundamentally okay with corporations? If the government is so bad at everything, wouldn't abolishing most of the government mean that versus the government corporations would be much more effective at tracking us all by themselves? The private sector is terribly effective, and what that really means is that every conspiracy theory against the government only gives corporations the power to build more and more effective trackers to ensure they don't lose their customers. Many conspiracy theorists seem to believe in morality only at the moment "corrupt" people are running specific corporations, but if you can't make anyone believe in morality when it comes to anti-racism education, how does anyone have any authority to tell anyone to believe in morality when it comes to running a business? Is it really just a matter of seeing people as automatically doing the correct form of functioning without being told or being defective? If the government really wanted to put a microchip in vaccines, it would probably be specifically to track disease exposure and nothing else, but the government built an elaborate online system for people to send back information about the vaccines through a web form, which included a lot of information the tracking chips wouldn't have provided. Nothing about it makes any sense.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>For one, it would be a lot more difficult to understand how and why the government engineered a special microchip tracking program than to understand the real science behind vaccines. What would the government gain from these microchips that's more useful than driver's licenses or credit card numbers? If the microchips are monitoring every step people take, wouldn't that be way too much data to practically sort through? What patterns would there be in the data? Is it being sold? If it <em>is</em> being sold, then wouldn't it be directly between the pharmaceutical corporations and other corporations without involving the government? Why is it that most of these people who are so afraid of microchips are fundamentally okay with corporations? If the government is so bad at everything, wouldn't abolishing most of the government mean that versus the government corporations would be much more effective at tracking us all by themselves? The private sector is terribly effective, and what that really means is that every conspiracy theory against the government only gives corporations the power to build more and more effective trackers to ensure they don't lose their customers. Many conspiracy theorists seem to believe in morality only at the moment "corrupt" people are running specific corporations, but if you can't make anyone believe in morality when it comes to anti-racism education, how does anyone have any authority to tell anyone to believe in morality when it comes to running a business? Is it really just a matter of seeing people as automatically doing the correct form of functioning without being told or being defective? If the government really wanted to put a microchip in vaccines, it would probably be specifically to track disease exposure and nothing else, but the government built an elaborate online system for people to send back information about the vaccines through a web form, which included a lot of information the tracking chips wouldn't have provided. Nothing about it makes any sense.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>I don't think it's worth it to take a detailed look into conspiracy theories.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>I don't think it's worth it to take a detailed look into conspiracy theories.</dd></div>
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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Yes.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Yes.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>So you're telling me that the United States was one thing and the Soviet Union was one thing and because there weren't two central Marxist party-nations in the Soviet Union, Trotsky then had to leave the one thing there was to join the other one thing.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>So you're telling me that the United States was one thing and the Soviet Union was one thing and because there weren't two central Marxist party-nations in the Soviet Union, Trotsky then had to leave the one thing there was to join the other one thing. <ref group="n" name="o" /></dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>You're getting it.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>You're getting it.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>And in that regard the Democratic Party actually is like the Soviet Union. When a country is only one thing and you don't fit into that one thing, you have to defect from an entire country just to move over to another one thing. If we take the Democratic Party to be our actual country, the ~~MAGA~~ movement is really people defecting from our entire country and trying to conquer it.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>And in that regard the Democratic Party actually is like the Soviet Union. When a country is only one thing and you don't fit into that one thing, you have to defect from an entire country just to move over to another one thing. If we take the Democratic Party to be our actual country, the <b class="caps">Maga</b> movement is really people defecting from our entire country and trying to conquer it.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Well, that's only half of the picture, but so far so good.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Well, that's only half of the picture, but so far so good.</dd></div>
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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>The one you dismissed with prejudice.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>The one you dismissed with prejudice.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>...Okay. The ~~MAGA~~ movement is defecting from the Democratic-Party States and trying to conquer it, but the ~~MAGA~~ movement at the same time seems to believe that the Democratic Party is defecting from the Republican-Party States, and I guess that the Democratic Party is trying to conquer them. The Democratic-Party States says that it can enforce morality on the Republican-Party States if it only wins the vote, but the Republican-Party States also says exactly the same thing down to the concepts of morality and education.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>...Okay. The <b class="caps">Maga</b> movement is defecting from the Democratic-Party States and trying to conquer it, but the <b class="caps">Maga</b> movement at the same time seems to believe that the Democratic Party is defecting from the Republican-Party States, and I guess that the Democratic Party is trying to conquer them. The Democratic-Party States says that it can enforce morality on the Republican-Party States if it only wins the vote, but the Republican-Party States also says exactly the same thing down to the concepts of morality and education.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>You're finally getting it.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>You're finally getting it.</dd></div>
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	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Now, why do you think that is?</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>Now, why do you think that is?</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>I mean, it's because the ~~MAGA~~ movement is prejudiced.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>CL.</dt> <dd>I mean, it's because the <b class="caps">Maga</b> movement is prejudiced.</dd></div>

	<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>We are not doing this again.</dd></div>		<div class="dialogue"><dt>RS.</dt> <dd>We are not doing this again.</dd></div>