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<div style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-family: inherit; background: inherit; border: none;">detaching from a Social-Philosophical System that isn't working is one of the single most key steps you can take
whether this is "the Democratic Party" or "a non-functioning Marxist party" or "The US Lefts as they currently exist, period"

I can actually almost prove this using the logic of Lacanianism
<nowiki>*</nowiki> in order to form a correct model of reality we need multiple models of reality to test
<nowiki>*</nowiki> in order to have multiple models of reality we need individuals
<nowiki>*</nowiki> individuals create ontological models of reality given _discipline_ - in some cases this comes from an archetypical Father figure saying "don't do that" (non du pere - sp?), in other cases discipline is any successful act of forming a bond to other individuals who are able to teach or agree on consensus social rules, such as a therapist, pastor, LGBT circle, or geographic subpopulation member that happens to accept someone
<nowiki>*</nowiki> when individual Subjects are instilled with ontological models of surrounding reality, they properly become individuals, and conversely, when Subjects properly become individuals, they learn ontological models within the relativistic nature of surrounding reality
<nowiki>*</nowiki> hidden but valid deduction: when a Social-Philosophical System is serving the wrong discipline, detach and become an individual in order to be allowed to start over on building ontology by getting discipline directly from studying surrounding reality.

there we go. Existentialism proves that when Existentialism is wrong you have to abandon Existentialism.
this sounds self-contradictory, like it will surely generate Vegetas, but that's only if you don't understand that ideologies are _not_ fungible things and separate populations or individuals with [[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.2/1012 FreeWillNew|different ideologies and inner ontologies]] really behave differently. if this process generates "Vegeta", it doesn't mean it's not necessary to generate "Goku".

god, the Lacanian notion of discipline is hard to save. it makes logical sense, but it totally buys into the Existentialist primacy-of-Cultures concept where religion and bigotry and any other such things are fundamental and you can never necessarily get people to correct models of reality, even as the purpose of the discipline-ontologies model is that there's a scientific, unbiased way to model social reality without ever entering into ideology.
it kind of disproves itself by saying every person who supposedly wants to study society without biases must first enter into a biased Social-Philosophical System to enter society.

the second problem with learning reality from discipline is it is always potentially assimilatory. any particular giver of discipline anywhere can choose to abuse that role, just because all humans are desperate to not be kicked out of society, and if you want power over somebody all you have to do is refuse to acknowledge something which is correct to reality as correct within your own disciplined understanding. any social bond is abusable, and almost inevitably _will_ be abused if someone believes that their current disciplined understanding of reality is necessary to survive. if we rely on horizontal discipline as our ultimate guide to social life, no social bond can survive the fires of discipline.
on the other hand, if populations are primary and discipline is secondary, social bonds can survive incorrect understandings as people form Group Subjects and the whole Group Subject learns.
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	<nowiki>*</nowiki> in order to have multiple models of reality we need individuals		<nowiki>*</nowiki> in order to have multiple models of reality we need individuals
	<nowiki>*</nowiki> individuals create ontological models of reality given ~~_discipline_~~ - in some cases this comes from an archetypical Father figure saying "don't do that" (non du ~~pere - sp?~~), in other cases discipline is any successful act of forming a bond to other individuals who are able to teach or agree on consensus social rules, such as a therapist, pastor, LGBT circle, or geographic subpopulation member that happens to accept someone		<nowiki>*</nowiki> individuals create ontological models of reality given <i>discipline</i> - in some cases this comes from an archetypical Father figure saying "don't do that" (<i lang="fr">non du père</i>), in other cases discipline is any successful act of forming a bond to other individuals who are able to teach or agree on consensus social rules, such as a therapist, pastor, LGBT circle, or geographic subpopulation member that happens to accept someone
	<nowiki>*</nowiki> when individual Subjects are instilled with ontological models of surrounding reality, they properly become individuals, and conversely, when Subjects properly become individuals, they learn ontological models within the relativistic nature of surrounding reality		<nowiki>*</nowiki> when individual Subjects are instilled with ontological models of surrounding reality, they properly become individuals, and conversely, when Subjects properly become individuals, they learn ontological models within the relativistic nature of surrounding reality
	<nowiki>*</nowiki> hidden but valid deduction: when a Social-Philosophical System is serving the wrong discipline, detach and become an individual in order to be allowed to start over on building ontology by getting discipline directly from studying surrounding reality.		<nowiki>*</nowiki> hidden but valid deduction: when a Social-Philosophical System is serving the wrong discipline, detach and become an individual in order to be allowed to start over on building ontology by getting discipline directly from studying surrounding reality.

	there we go. Existentialism proves that when Existentialism is wrong you have to abandon Existentialism.		there we go. Existentialism proves that when Existentialism is wrong you have to abandon Existentialism.
	this sounds self-contradictory, like it will surely generate Vegetas, but that's only if you don't understand that ideologies are ~~_not_~~ fungible things and separate populations or individuals with [[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.2/1012 FreeWillNew\|different ideologies and inner ontologies]] really behave differently. if this process generates "Vegeta", it doesn't mean it's not necessary to generate "Goku".		this sounds self-contradictory, like it will surely generate Vegetas, but that's only if you don't understand that ideologies are <em>not</em> fungible things and separate populations or individuals with [[Philosophical_Research:Molecular_Democracy/5.2/1012 FreeWillNew\|different ideologies and inner ontologies]] really behave differently. if this process generates "Vegeta", it doesn't mean it's not necessary to generate "Goku".


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	it kind of disproves itself by saying every person who supposedly wants to study society without biases must first enter into a biased Social-Philosophical System to enter society.		it kind of disproves itself by saying every person who supposedly wants to study society without biases must first enter into a biased Social-Philosophical System to enter society.

	the second problem with learning reality from discipline is it is always potentially assimilatory. any particular giver of discipline anywhere can choose to abuse that role, just because all humans are desperate to not be kicked out of society, and if you want power over somebody all you have to do is refuse to acknowledge something which is correct to reality as correct within your own disciplined understanding. any social bond is abusable, and almost inevitably ~~_will_~~ be abused if someone believes that their current disciplined understanding of reality is necessary to survive. if we rely on horizontal discipline as our ultimate guide to social life, no social bond can survive the fires of discipline.		the second problem with learning reality from discipline is it is always potentially assimilatory. any particular giver of discipline anywhere can choose to abuse that role, just because all humans are desperate to not be kicked out of society, and if you want power over somebody all you have to do is refuse to acknowledge something which is correct to reality as correct within your own disciplined understanding. any social bond is abusable, and almost inevitably <em>will</em> be abused if someone believes that their current disciplined understanding of reality is necessary to survive. if we rely on horizontal discipline as our ultimate guide to social life, no social bond can survive the fires of discipline.
	on the other hand, if populations are primary and discipline is secondary, social bonds can survive incorrect understandings as people form Group Subjects and the whole Group Subject learns.		on the other hand, if populations are primary and discipline is secondary, social bonds can survive incorrect understandings as people form Group Subjects and the whole Group Subject learns.
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